Which of the following pictures is more morally wrong? -Graphic-

[usregimechange]

Poll question: Which of the following pictures is more morally wrong? -Graphic-

Both are wrong but which is worse?

[Guaranteed]

1. Good poll.

Thank you.

[wtmusic]

2. bling! reality check

:thumbsup:

[Kali]

3. I'm sorry - I don't know the story

What is the story behind each of them?

[usregimechange]

6. One is an Iraqi boy struck by US weapons the other

is a little girl who got her Bush sign torn by a Kerry supporter at an Edwards rally.

[Union Thug]

10. Well, the Iraqi boy was ripped apart by

George W. Bush. George Bush should be tried and thrown in prison for the rest of his life.

Some fucking xtian that spoiled rotten little shit stain of a man is.

[Guaranteed]

4. Two freepers counted so far.

Anyone who can't tell the difference between those two photos doesn't deserve to call themselves human.

[Goldmund]

15. The third option is a rejection of the comparison,

because the implied relevancy of the comparison is what I disagree with.

-- Freeper, not human.

[Guaranteed]

20. The comparison is very clear. nt

[Goldmund]

23. It is.

And the implication of it is also very clear. In other words, you didn't post a picture of a lemon and a picture of an apple and asked "which is sweeter?". Then I would be at a loss as for your motive. But here, it's totally clear.

[Guaranteed]

25. So you agree, yet you say they're equally wrong.

I don't follow your logic in the slightest.

[Goldmund]

32. Of course they're not equally wrong,

but that does ZERO to change the fact that whoever ripped the little girl's sign is an asshole, makes the Democrats look bad (whether that was his intention or not), and deserves total contempt. I don't know what the Iraqi boy has to do with anything. If you stole $100 from an old lady, would your defense in court be to show a picture of Ken Lay and say "he stole a billion, which is worse"?? What if you had the statistics that Saddam killed far more civilians than Bush -- would that make Bush's agenda more just?

[Guaranteed]

39. But it DOES give some perspective, now doesn't it?

All the people expressing such disgust for the "assholes" who ripped up the sign had better be screaming about a hundred thousand times louder over the kids getting BLOWN-UP WITH BOMBS in Iraq.

If this is enough to get you riled up, you oughta be heading to the gun store over that stuff.

How about some focus?

[Goldmund]

41. "You're agaist the Iraq war? Have you forgotten 9/11? Perspective!"

Same shit.

Of course, I am screaming -- even a thousand times louder almost -- over the kids getting blown up with bombs in Iraq. Out of my nearly 1500 posts, the girl only got 3 or 4. The blown up children in Iraq, if you include implicit references, got around a thousand.

But what does this have to do, again, with the girl and the fuckhead who ripped her sign?

[AntiCoup2K4]

49. The asshole who ripped the sign was probably a Republican.

Hell, it was probably one of the guy's own kids. He's got 10 of them. This guy's a white Mormon real estate agent specializing in "eminent domain" in one of the poorest states in the country (West Virginia) and he claims to be a member of the NAACP as well. Sounds like this guy stirs up shit for a living just about all the time.

[Kali]

22. Excuse me?

I have(had) no idea what the story behind either one of those pictures was. Obviously the little boy had been badly injured but I couldn't tell what the deal was with the little girl was she kidnapped or lost and rescued or what - I haven't been on line all afternoon. I hardly think that makes me a freeper (if you are refering to me) The little girl seemed to have had her clothes torn off or something - she might have been injured I didn't know, so I asked. Do you always asume someone is stupid or worse if they ask a question? Hell the boy might have been a victim of child abuse by his own family - there was no explanation. (I DID assume he was a US inflicted casualty, but truthfully it could have been a household burn or accidental fire, with no story or explanation to go with the photo)

[Guaranteed]

28. The little girl is holding a torn Bush sign at an Edwards rally.

The little boy above her was bombed or shot or blown up in some way as a result of Bush's invasion of Iraq.

Now that you're filled in, which is worse?

[Kali]

40. Well duh

The boy is physically damaged. The girl, while innocent as well, has lost nothing but a paper sign and maybe a bit of her innocence. The boy, likely has lost ALL of his innocence along with a disfiguing and extremely painful injury. Both were harmed by adults' irresponsible behavior. What happened to the boy is moraly reprehensible, and much worse.

[AuntPatsy]

5. I say both because this little girl could have gotten hurt .

[Guaranteed]

7. So, do you blame that on her dad, then? nt

[daddybear]

63. By all means

he should have left the little heathern at home... what could she contribute to the protest anyway?

[jonnyblitz]

8. yeah those kerry/edwards supporters are deadly

you are kidding right?

[AuntPatsy]

24. To all three of you, Im not your enemy and yes she could have

gotten hurt if their was a struggle and as a parent with children, one knows the dangers of such could be quick...my daughter once fell out of a basket at the grocery store once, I had two so I had to put one in the back, it was so quick that I failed to catch her, thank God she was alright but she fell on a hard linoleum floor, people have died with such falls...

Beneath the girl was a paved top, I realize that this young Iraq boy deserves the utmost sympathy and I for one give it to him, I don't support this war, never have and never will in that innocent individuals become nothing but statistics....

I also think Rush Lumbaugh to be in my mind a deadly force, his hatred and evil that holds millions and our own president captive should be seen not only as evil but dangerous, such hatred spews violence and as in times of war fronts, innocents are hurt or killed..

I cannot help looking at the whole picture, I just cannot help that..

[LisaL]

She didn't get hurt.

Daddy will buy her a new sign. Maybe Bush himself will send her a new sign. A bunch of freepers will send her new signs. Meanwhile, we are killing children in Iraq and nobody seems to care.

[Goldmund]

9. This reminds me of excuses for Abu Ghraib.

[LisaL]

11. Yea, it's the same thing.

No difference at all.
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[Goldmund]

12. The difference is only in degree.

Fundamentally, they are equivalent. "Well well at least we didn't BEHEAD THEM!"

[LisaL]

14. I didn't know they gave the prisoners in Abu Ghiraub

Bush Cheney signs and then ripped those signs apart.
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[Goldmund]

18. A venture beyond literal thinking does the body good.

[Guaranteed]

33. You DO seem to be having some trouble with telling the difference

between serious violence and a stupid sign being torn up.

[Goldmund]

43. One last time:

my point is not that there is no difference, but that the difference, no matter how big, is totally irrelevant -- and that it offends my ethical sense to bring it up at all in the context of judging the act of ripping her sign.

[Guaranteed]

46. It's not totally irrelevant at ALL.

Especially with regard to the fact that that Repuke motherfucker holding the sign is a supporter of those children being blown up in the first place.

Maybe his sign being torn up is justice?

Well, maybe not...after all, it IS just a sign.

It's just a sign. THAT'S the point.

[Goldmund]

48. It is.

And I'd be more outraged if, say, the girl had been beaten. And more outraged yet had she been shot. You're right, it's just a sign... So I'm not calling the guy who did it a murderer or a psychopath. Just an "asshole". A royal asshole. And her sign shouldn't have been ripped up.

In NYC the other week, during the convention, I spent all week harrassing republicans. I walked around the city all day long looking for delegates, and when I would see some and I'd tell them "go home!" or "terrorists!", "murderers", you get the drift. But I never even thought of causing any physical discomfort to any of them. That's when it becomes harrasment, and this was harrasment, pure and simple. On top of that, it was a little girl whose only idea of Bush is that it's the guy her dad says is the good guy.

[Guaranteed]

30. Oh, okay then....how about we compare Abu Ghraib and this

little girl getting her sign torn up?

Which is worse? A little girl with a torn up sign, or a man having his testicles electrocuted? Or are they "equally wrong?"

[Goldmund]

36. Oh, OK

Which is worse? A man getting beheaded or a man having his testicles electrocuted?

Killing 20 hostages or 18 prisoners?

[IndianaGreen]

13. Are we now endorsing situational ethics?

They are both wrong. As a matter of fact the war in Iraq is downright evil, yet the Democratic platform never said a word about the war being evil and the party supporting a US withdrawal.

[usregimechange]

17. If I remember right there were quite a few legislators who...

voted against the war, and I think they were all Democrats. Granted more of them should...

[IndianaGreen]

21. I know, I voted for one of them!

Dennis Kucinich. I wish more had listened to the wise words of Robert Byrd...

[usregimechange]

27. They sold their soul for the election.

Not that I don't understand their rationale. If your not elected you can't do shit!

[ochazuke]

16. Incredible

To say both are equally wrong, or the girl's distress (probably has to potty) is worse!!??

Let's see, how about this. I insult an earwig as it flies by my bedroom window. OR, Hitler sends like 12 million to their deaths in concentration camps after starting a war that killed 40 million.

"Oh, both are equally bad."

What can you call that? Wooly thinking or what. I am at a loss.

[LisaL]

19. I am sure children in Iraq cry a lot.

And not over Bush Cheney signs. But who cares, since they are not blond and white?

[Goldmund]

50. People who disagree with you here aren't just racists.

They also eat babies as appetizers.

They're totally delicious!

[LSdemocrat]

26. Please put a graphic image warning in the thread title because

clearly the first picture is worse.

[AuntPatsy]

29. That was not the question, which was worse, it was which is

moraly wrong...there is a big difference...

[LSdemocrat]

34. well, they're the same in my book unless

you can show me how something can be more morally wrong, but better at the same time. Anyway, the thread title really should have a graphic image warning.

[AuntPatsy]

44. To use an innocent child in such a way that can cause harm

, then in my book they are both equally morally wrong. I am a mother and I cannot help but see a child for what they all are, innocent until one grows up to be Ann Coul, then the innocent is lost. How can I in all good conscience attack a small child for having an idiot father, playing such a game can become very muddy when one takes into consideration all aspects of what could have happened or didn't..

When this war began, I recall being sick, I had no doubt that children would soon be shown in pictures as in the one above, these same individuals who call them acts of war as if they arent important are also the ones who decry abortion being murder of innocents..

The hypocrisy blows me away and I have had enough of those arguments to last me a life time, some just choose not to get it, I refuse to fall into the same little glass house they choose to live in..

[usregimechange]

47. Should not the Kerry supporter who tore up the girl's sign...

get some (most?) of the blame?

[uhhuh]

57. Do you have evidence or a statement

That shows conclusively that a Kerry supporter took the sign from her and tore it?

I see a picture of a girl holding a crumpled chimp sign. That's all. As far as I'm concerned, that is NO EVIDENCE of anything other than the sign is crumpled and she is upset.

She could have as easily crumpled it herself and started crying in frustration at having to be there.

Is there a link to a story that directly states, or has a picture, of someone in the act of taking and destroying her sign?

If there is, does it state who specifically was responsible for it?

If it did happen, it could have been an accomplice of the father who was instructed to pose as a Kerry supporter and take the sign.

[usregimechange]

37. Done.... nt

[Union Thug]

31. I'm sure those that think it's the same...

...will continue to feel the same way if given a choice, their own children would either have to have their stupid political placard ripped or have their flesh ripped to shreds by 'smart' bombs raining death from the sky.

[NV1962]

35. Request: substitute the baby for another little girl

Saw it earlier here on DU - grisly.

Girl with her legs/feet blown to bits, carried by (presumably) her father.

[usregimechange]

45. I would like to have that pic. Not that I am morbid just

think it is good for freeps to know what they support.

[NV1962]

59. I saw it posted here this morning

It's really an awful image - her angelical face and her mangled mass that used to be her feet.

The little girl is either dead or not far from it. Really gruesome.

[mhr]

38. Hate To Say It, The Little Girl Is Getting Her First Lesson In Politics

Regrettably, her father chose to expose her to anti-Republican-ism.

If he were a Democrat he would have been far more sensitive to a child this age.

Just goes to show how the right raises their children.

Now the Iraqi child is totally innocent.

[nlik]

42. Or.

Maybe he thought people on our side of the isle would act in a humane manner when "threatened" with children holding signs.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

53. No man is an aisle.

What if she had of been holding a live hand grenade
with the pin pulled? Would it of been OK to tear it
out of her hands and throw yourself on it to save her
and a bunch of other people? Or would it have been rude
and inhumane? Plus, was it actually "her" sign? Don't
you have to know the meaning of a sign to have it really
be yours? What did the sign say and did anybody ask her
what it meant or if she could change her mind between
now and then?

[DemBones DemBones]

60. Or. . .

maybe he arranged with someone to play the part of an "evil Democrat who rips a Bush* sign out of a child's hands."

We don't know, do we? But I'll bet this photo will get a lot of play and the father and kid will be on tv.

[Goldmund]

51. Here's a question for y'all:

Had the little girl been shot, would you say "Iraqi chidren get shot daily!"? Or "which is worse? One dead republican child or 10,000 Iraqi ones?"?

[Guaranteed]

54. No. That would actually be something to be outraged over. nt

[Goldmund]

55. Why? The Iraqi kids still have it worse.

At least the Republicans are safe if they don't go to pro-Kerry rallies.

[Guaranteed]

56. I dunno...maybe if someone ripped up a sign of theirs...nt

[VHamrick]

52. I thought this earlier tonight

At least the child still had all her limbs. What about all the children in Iraq? This is the stinkiest War since 'Nam.

[Julian English]

58. Should the girl's father be busted for child abuse?

Seriously, if someone knowingly exploits a child, as this jackass did, he can hardly be a fit parent. How base is it to exploit a child like this? Pretty low.

The other irony is that * screens rallies so carefully, the shithead with the kid would have been arrested for that sort of stunts at a */Cheney rally.

[LittleClarkie]

61. Wrong is wrong

There are no degrees of wrong.

Wrong is wrong.

I'm not playing this self-righteous game.

Don't justify one small wrong with a bigger wrong. It will escalate from there.

Fuck that.

[BlueEyedSon]

62. You're gonna have trouble operating in the real world

if you think all wrongs are equivalent.