faxed to CBS News from a Kinko's copy shop in Abilene, Texas

[Must_B_Free]

breaking on packed fudge...

Kinko's copies 4133 S. Danville Dr. 325-698-3300

we scored a hit, here comes the defense

[Quetzal]

1. what?

what happened?

[tjdee]

2. What is packed fudge? What IS it tonight with cryptic sparse posts??

I know it seems like it, but we aren't all mentally in tune with each other LOL!

[A_Possum]

3. He means a breaking story on Drudge

about the source of the memo's being from Abilene.

[Jackpine Radical]

12. WTF, we're doing Cockney rhyming slang now?

Or is that "packed fudge" bit an aspersion cast upon Floormatt's sexual orientation?

[GingerSnaps]

89. LOL

Thanks I just spit my pop out all over the computer.

[Renew Deal]

17. Bullshit

We are perfectly in tune. You must be a freeper. :+

[tjdee]

83. Hehehe ;-)nt

[latebloomer]

76. And do you know what "packing someone's fudge" is?

An elegant expression I haven't heard anyone but my husband use--until tonite-- refers to getting reamed up the ass.

[tjdee]

82. My eyes! My eyes!

Oh the things people say.

[TrueAmerican]

4. Washington Post reported this

drudge says

CBS Guard Documents Traced to Texas Kinko's...

WASH POST: Documents allegedly written by deceased officer that raised questions about Bush's service with Texas National Guard bore markings showing they had been faxed to CBS News from a Kinko's copy shop in Abilene, Texas... Developing...



How? Patriot Act? Who lives in Abilene?

[Lex]

5. Good god. It's like the 'never-ending story.'

Next chapter: who lives in Abilene!?

Can I get the movie rights on this?

[Generator]

9. Abilene?

Isn't that the headquarters of Kerry supporters that forge documents to save the nation from a worthless lying weasel?

Or is it the home of J. Maynard Pickelson Jr., the one link to Rove that exists in Abilene, who will do anything ever since Rove blackmailed him regarding the "hamster incident" of 1969?

I report, you decide.

(yes this memogate is driving me mad)

[Cha]

63. LOL!

[LTR]

6. Hatman's in full spin cycle

CBS Guard Documents Traced to Texas Kinko's...

WASH POST: Documents allegedly written by deceased officer that raised questions about Bush's service with Texas National Guard bore markings showing they had been faxed to CBS News from a Kinko's copy shop in Abilene, Texas... Developing...

The Miami disco fanatic must think these documents just walk there themselves. :eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

15. That Siren of his!

An alarm to call out the dittoidiots. LOL!

[Cha]

57. You guys all have me laughing so

so much! :D

[lancdem]

7. Does that disprove anything?

They weren't originals.

[Rose Siding]

59. Only that the source didn't fax them from home

:shrug:

[tjdee]

8. Oh it's got legs alright.....Abilene.........

Now that I understand ;-)

We're in it now. Abilene. As long as it has nothing to do with Kerry or Edwards we're good to go.

But--they're going to OUT a journalistic source? Isn't that illegal or...something?

Novak, are they coming for you next?

Why y'all like sneaking peeks at Drudge??
It's like a train wreck, yes?

[Catherine Vincent]

10. oh geeze

These people are mental!

[Gloria]

11. It figures. Abilene. Was there once for awhile on a bus trip back East a

few years ago.
The bus station in Abilene has to have the DIRTIEST bathroom I have ever seen.
Not a good image for Abilene....

[Wednesdays]

102. kick.

nm

[troublemaker]

13. Burkett lives in Abeline

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/14/burkett/index_np.html

[troublemaker]

18. dupe - sorry

[Catherine Vincent]

21. Near Abilene. But we heard you.

:-)

[Sparkly]

20. found that also...

Mr. Bartlett called the Burkett allegations "outlandishly false" and accused him of being part of a group of disgruntled former Guardsmen critical of Maj. Gen. Daniel James III, head of the Texas National Guard before Mr. Bush promoted him to head the National Guard in Washington.

Gen. James' office referred all calls to Col. Stanford.

Mr. Burkett and other Guardsmen were critical of discipline standards and other issues under Gen. James.

Mr. Burkett said from his home near Abilene that he remains loyal to the Guard.

More:
http://www.dallasnews.com/s/nationworld/washingtonprint/021004cccapolguard.a88bb4a.html

[Jackpine Radical]

23. Gruntlement

appears to be a rare state among former Guardsmen.

[Doohickie]

78. Gruntlement?

I thought the proper term was Gruntility?

[Jackpine Radical]

105. Ever hear of disgruntility?

[bagnana]

22. Burkett faxed them? He found and rescued some documents

from Bush's file before they could be fully purged? He kept them all of these years and has now released them? Maybe??

[troublemaker]

24. These would not have been in Bush's file (but in Killian's CYA file)

[Must_B_Free]

25. not "didn't happen", but "no recall"

George O. Conn, a former chief warrant officer with the Guard and a friend of Burkett's, is the person whom Burkett says led him to the room where the Bush records were being vetted. But Conn says he never saw anyone combing through the Bush file or discarding records.

"I have no recall of that," Conn said. "I have no recall of that whatsoever. None. Zip. Nada."

Just like Reagan's "I don't remember". There's a "that", but he doesn't want to lie, so he "can't recall"
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/02/13/doubts_raised_on_bush_accuser/

[Clinton Crusader]

47. Isnt this the guy who witnessed all the SHREDDING????

oh the humanity!!!!!

:kick:

[flyingfysh]

14. Drudge page is down?

I can't reach it. Maybe it's everyone on DU trying to check out the Kinko's story.

[Doosh]

19. it's back now, he was updating

Says it was faxed from a texas kinko's

rove???

[Doosh]

16. The Clenis did it

I saw the Clenis in Abilene the other day, clearly he hates america

[LittleClarkie]

46. Doosh...

I always thought Cheney would be Mr. Burns.

[Quetzal]

26. n/t

[Doosh]

30. hopefully

damn, this story has more twists and turns than Owen Wilson's nose. Now we're going to have a swarm of journalists descend on Abilene.

[lancdem]

33. LOL

[AlCzervik]

40. LOL! I love your name.

[quaoar]

27. Drudge is citing a WP story

WP says the Abilene Kinko's connection leads to Bill Burkett as CBS' source since he lives near there.

Burkett is the guy who has charged that Bush's TANG files were sanitized.

[Lex]

29. hmmm . . . the plot does indeed thicken! nt

[lancdem]

31. Makes sense

Do you think Burkett will go public?

[quaoar]

32. No.

he is apparently refusing comment through his attorney.

[Doohickie]

80. Yeah, after all,

Burkett is the ONLY person that lives near Abilene.......





right?

[yardwork]

91. LOL! - I was thinking the same thing!

First the CBS memos get the microscope treatment, then the same press leaps to the assumption that since Drudge says something was faxed from Abilene it must be such-and-so who faxed it.....:eyes:

[featherman]

28. FFrenzied media now descending on hapless Kinko's

minimum wage employees in Abilene (developing).
I'm beginning to love this story. It's WACKY!!!

[TrueAmerican]

34. Eva Killian lives in Abilene

Killian Eva
(325) 672-XXXX
XXXX Amarillo St
Abilene, TX 79602


Any relation?

[TrueAmerican]

41. Mapquest Eva Killian to Kinkos 3.24 miles

Total Est. Time: 10 minutes Total Est. Distance: 3.24 miles

[Doosh]

56. did he have a sister?

[TrueAmerican]

79. Eva from freerepublic.com????????????????????????

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=5990

She seems to monitor this story and DU very closely and she is hinting their is another memo tying Dubya to cocaine use that is being saved for October suprised.

I wonder?????

[Clinton Crusader]

88. WTF is THAT Eva talking about??

Drug testing didnt start until 1981??? HUH? You should read some of her stuff. She's sure reading OUR stuff. Hi Eva!!! :hi:
:kick:

[yardwork]

94. I noticed that she assumes that we're all harrassing "Buckhead" now

Since that is exactly what freepers do when somebody's private information is posted over there. She fails to distinguish between posting somebody's private information and linking to a web-based public site. More importantly, she fails to understand that DUers don't harrass people. We leave that to freepers. They do it so well.

[Norquist Nemesis]

99. The flag avatar is Washington though.

This whole 'they're fakes!' mess can certainly be traced back to freakreap. But I don't think it was Eva. I think they have their own operative that started it. Instead of investigation CBS, Congress should demand the freakreap list and investigate the intial posters of the "take a look at this!". That's the best place to start.

[David Zephyr]

106. Killian Family Member? Cousin? Brother?

3.2 Miles, TrueAmerican. That's her neighborhood.

Is it possible that a Killian that did this?

[troublemaker]

55. widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian is Marjorie Connell

remarried, one supposes. Anyway, not Eva.

[Lex]

60. Well, who's Eva?

Could be a family member anyway.

[askew]

81. Maybe she's a relation who re-created the original memos

so Killian would have another copy off of the base for safe keeping? Wouldn't that be a kicker?

Also, about the WH admitting that additional documents are going to most likely be released:

1. How come the article didn't acknowledge that the WH was supposed to have released all of the documents?

2. I wonder if the new documents are even more damaging? I hope so.

[AlCzervik]

35. ok, they came from Texas, the same texas that the base is in?

[Mr_Spock]

37. Well, there's a shock!! :o)

lol

[AlCzervik]

44. Good Lord i'm starting to suffer from documentphobia.

[LTR]

45. Here's what's in Abilene

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wNENHjLoVoUJ:www.classmates.com/cmo/reg/military/index.jsp%3FaffiliationId%3D%26type%3DReg%26keyValue%3D911%26nodeId%3DDN30_installation%26parentNodeType%3Dlocation+texas+air+national+guard+Abilene&hl=en

(cache of a page from Classmates.com)

ABILENE AIR FORCE BASE
ABILENE, ARMY RESERVE CENTER
ABILENE, NAVY & MARINE CORPS RESERVE CENTER
ABILENE, TX ARMY NATIONAL GUARD

http://www.abilenetx.com/aagateway_page/about.htm

The City prides itself on the good relationship it maintains with Dyess Air Force Base and its over 4,000 civilian and military personnel. Dyess is home to the Air Combat Command B-1 Lancer and the Air Mobility Command C-130 Hercules. The base open for prearranged tours and has a Linear Air Park exhibit featuring 30 aircraft from World War II to the modern era.

[AlCzervik]

49. And a Kinkos

:evilgrin:

[Clinton Crusader]

51. and a partridge in a pear tree...

:kick:

[notbush]

36. Would Kinko's have a log of the

faxes sent from that store?

[mourningdove92]

42. Yes, absolutely

Almost any fax machine can print out a listing of all faxes that were sent, how many pages, what time.

When I fax from my work fax machine, I get a copy of my cover sheet with printing at the top showing the number, time, and pages sent. I wonder if that kind of info is stored and if a cover sheet was used IF this story has any truth. Could just be more misdirection.

[Wednesdays]

103. Almost certainly purchase records, too...

eom

[Clinton Crusader]

38. WTF? WHO'S in Abilene??

:kick:

[wicket]

53. Bill Burkett

He's the guy who said he saw some of Bush's guard record "trashcanned" back in 1997.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24635-2004Sep15.html

[mourningdove92]

39. I went to the Washington Post site

and could not find anything on this.

[TrueAmerican]

43. Sludge has someone who leaks him info from

the Washington Post.

[quaoar]

50. The Post has moved the story

but hasn't posted it on its web site yet.

[jefferson_dem]

48. Another plot twist! Not sure what to think about this and how it matters

If we have to find out where the docs were delivered from, i guess i'll take it being a Kinkos in Abilene.

[Doosh]

52. I bet they're combing through security camera footage as we speak

[jefferson_dem]

54. WP LINK HERE

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A24635-2004Sep15?language=printer

[Sparkly]

62. Interesting that USA Today also got the memos independently

I didn't know that...

[troublemaker]

64. "In a related development, White House

"In a related development, White House press secretary Scott McClellan hinted that more documents regarding Bush's National Guard service may soon be released. Asked whether officials in the White House have seen unreleased documents, McClellan called that "a very real possibility." Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days."

[Sparkly]

67. That is twice today you've scooped me

I was just gonna post that :)

[yardwork]

96. Where'd they find THESE new documents?

How many times has the White House and Pentagon assured us that they've released all of chimpy's records, only to "find" some more a few weeks or months later?

I would think even the tools in the media would be getting tired of covering for that level of bush-shit by now.

I wonder if a single one of the documents released by the WH or Pentagon are real?

[Darby]

66. If you bring in Burkett seems like you have to address this...

"In news interviews earlier this year, Burkett said he overheard a telephone conversation in the spring of 1997 in which top Bush aides asked the head of the Texas National Guard to sanitize Bush's files as he was running for a second term as governor of Texas. Several days later, he said, he saw dozens of pages from Bush's military file dumped in a trash can at Camp Mabry, the Guard's headquarters.


The Bush aides Burkett named as participants in the telephone conversation were Chief of Staff Joe M. Allbaugh and spokespersons Karen Hughes and Dan Bartlett. All three Bush aides and former Texas National Guard Maj. Gen. Daniel James have strongly denied the allegations."

FROM THAT WASHPOST LINK....

[blitzen]

77. Karen Hughes implicated in WP story:

"In news interviews earlier this year, Burkett said he overheard a telephone conversation in the spring of 1997 in which top Bush aides asked the head of the Texas National Guard to sanitize Bush's files as he was running for a second term as governor of Texas. Several days later, he said, he saw dozens of pages from Bush's military file dumped in a trash can at Camp Mabry, the Guard's headquarters.

The Bush aides Burkett named as participants in the telephone conversation were Chief of Staff Joe M. Allbaugh and spokespersons Karen Hughes and Dan Bartlett. All three Bush aides and former Texas National Guard Maj. Gen. Daniel James have strongly denied the allegations."

[quaoar]

58. The NY Times is also reporting now

that Burkett is CBS' source.

[Doosh]

61. if it's Burkett, then he must have the originals right?

[fishnfla]

72. He said he saw them in a trash can

or somesuch. Heard office chatter 'bout it

If it was Burkett would he have made the errors or GRP and Lt. ?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

65. They alluded to that in Wednesday's story:

....Mr. Burkett declined to return telephone calls to his home near Abilene, Tex. His lawyer, David Van Os, on Tuesday repeatedly refused to say in a telephone interview whether the officer had played a part in supplying the disputed documents to CBS. Mr. Van Os said "the real story is and should be, where was George Bush?" and that Mr. Burkett "is not the proper object of attention."

Mr. Van Os called Mr. Burkett "a man of impeccable honesty who would not permit himself to be a party to anything fake, fraudulent or phony." He also said, in response to questions, and stressing that he was speaking only hypothetically, "If Bill Burkett were to later discover that something he was a party to were fake or phony, as a man of honor who lives by a code of honor of the military, he would not permit the falsity to continue." But, the lawyer hastened to add, "This is not intended to be any kind of specific statement."

Asked what role Mr. Burkett had in raising questions about Mr. Bush's military service, Mr. Van Os said: "If, hypothetically, Bill Burkett or anyone else, any other individual, had prepared or had typed on a word processor as some of the journalists are presuming, without much evidence, if someone in the year 2004 had prepared on a word processor replicas of documents that they believed had existed in 1972 or 1973 - which Bill Burkett has absolutely not done'' - then, he continued, "what difference would it make?"...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/politics/campaign/15guard.html?pagewanted=print&position=

[Sparkly]

70. Weird...

hmm...

[Doohickie]

84. Not so much weird, really...

I would say that this is really just kind of Kink-y!

You know I think I'll vote for David Van Os in that Supreme Court election after all!

[Clinton Crusader]

68. Link?

I dont see it on NYT
:kick:

[Gloria]

69. I presume Kinko's has security cameras rolling?????

Wishful thinking... wouldn't it be nice to have a security record with the copier and/or faxer caught on tape??

[Darby]

71. Want affidavit from K. Hughes/D. Bartlett that they did not "sanitize"file

[tjdee]

73. If its Burkett, this is WAY beyond TANG thirty years ago.

Ahhh....scrubbing...

I'm all for taking Bush down on the atrocities of the war and his malfeasance in other areas such as this jobless "recovery", but they also got Al Capone on tax evasion.

Whatever sends him back to Texas is fine with me, and if this memo thing does it, fantastic.

[Pirate Smile]

92. Yeah, this is late 1990's not 1972!

Did he know of or was he involved at all in the 1970's stuff or does this mean he found this stuff out (we know it is true via Killian's Secretary) in the 1990's?

So Shrub wasn't just a slacker in TANG in 1972-1973 but we can tie in the lies and scrubbing of the late 1990's to get Chimpy ready to run for Prez?

[Quetzal]

74. Next Tactic of the Press

Ask Kinkos for the Security Videos to see who was in the store when the faxes were sent.

[Clinton Crusader]

75. wonder what's going on in freeperville about now???

:kick:

[Doohickie]

86. Reminds me of an old saying my dad used to use:

"I wonder what the Republicans are doing now?"

[Catherine Vincent]

85. Residence of Abilene, get ready!

Your little town is about to be swarmed with snooping reporters!

[jefferson_dem]

87. Yes indeed! It's feeding frenzies like this that the press live for.

And the more often they refer to record scrubbing...the better for our guy!

[GoGoKerry-Edwards]

90. Boston Globe story on Burkett

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/02/13/doubts_raised_on_bush_accuser/

[alcuno]

95. Welcome to DU, GoGo.

Enjoy.

[zaj]

93. My wife went to college in Abilene

... She remembers that Kinko's Copies


She said the lights were always burned out in the sign... so she remembers always calling it "Kink Pies".


Just thought I would share.

[yardwork]

97. It's perfect for this story

Whoever does the miniseries has to use it.

[Pirate Smile]

98. So will the new documents the WH has miraculously found include

the order that Killian's Secretary confirmed tonight was made to * to take his physical that Shrub ignored?

So if Burkett did send the information, it means he saw something to this effect in the late 1990's, not the 1970's, pre-scrubbing by Hughes, Barnett, etc.?

Am I crazy or could this actually be more damaging to * now if it is proven that Burkett actually "forged" or "recreated" documents that should have been included in *'s file but have not been released or have been scrubbed?

It is always the cover-up, baby.

Let it be true because that puts it in the 1990's, not the young and stupid days.

[bigtree]

100. I just spit out my cookie!!!

:+

[democrat_patriot]

101. Makes sense: Want to send an anonymous fax to CBS-use kinkos.

Makes it all the more credible, it was a source that soes not want to be identified. He/she's scared of the BFEE.

[Myrina]

104. My question from the WP story ....

(posted on another thread but got buried)

"...another former official in Mr. Bush's administration in Texas, Joe Allbaugh, acknowledged speaking to National Guard officials about the files ..."

Anyone have the scoop on this Allbaugh guy ? :shrug: