New accusation of Dean dirty tricks in NH?

[Renew Deal]

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Over the past 2 days of calling, a number of older respondents registered as undeclared voters have reported that they have received telephone calls from a campaign informing them that they will not be allowed to vote in the Democratic primary because they missed the deadline to switch parties. A respondent discovered, however, that when she told the caller that she was thinking about voting for Howard Dean, the caller told her that she would be eligible to vote.

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http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/demtrack/

We just had one election stolen by the republicans. To think we might have one stolen by a Dem makes me sick.

Note: Editted because Dave29 makes sense.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

1. Trippi Is 110% Capable of This Slimy Tactic, He'd Probably Brag About It

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=85218

DTH

[RogueTrooper]

61. That link was conveniently near by

one wonders who exactly did this....

[Printer70]

93. Making Unsubstantited Allegations IS the Slimy Tactic

To make these inflammatory charges without tracing them back to the campaign IS the "slimy tactic" here. And I think we're all growing tired of it.

[Padraig18]

2. Unless you know it's Dean...

You'd better change your subject line.

[LuminousX]

5. Of course it's Dean, since Dean is so far behind in NH, he has to

play dirty there.

[Padraig18]

7. Sarcasm duly noted.

:P

[KittyWampus]

23. Dean Saw A Huge Drop and Has Leveled Off

That is the FACT.

You bet Dean's campaign is going to try and grasp at their 10% lead.

[LuminousX]

31. Define huge

and how is the narrowing of the gap different than any other election?

[CMT]

49. actually in the ARG tracking polls

Dean has averaged 37%. He had a high of 39% and is currenlty stable at 35%. Well within the moe. Not a huge drop.

[Renew Deal]

11. If you vote Dean you are eligible

if not, you are not? Yep, It's Sharpton.

[Padraig18]

17. What does that mean?

Too cryptic for me. :wtf:

[Renew Deal]

20. Read the analysis

If you haven't. The voter was told she would be inelegible to vote until she said that she was voting for Dean. Then it was OK.

[Padraig18]

22. I read it long before you posted it.

It's been posted here before, earlier this morning.

[LuminousX]

18. How does that even make sense?

Anyone who got that call would know it was fishy, anyone making that kind of distinction would also know how phoney it sounds.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

67. Did you even read the article?

"Over the past 2 days of calling, a number of older respondents registered as undeclared voters have reported that they have received telephone calls from a campaign informing them that they will not be allowed to vote in the Democratic primary because they missed the deadline to switch parties.

A respondent discovered, however, that when she told the caller that she was thinking about voting for Howard Dean, the caller told her that she would be eligible to vote. "
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/demtrack/

Yeah, maybe some other campaign is doing it... :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[demguy29199]

3. ya

ya

[demguy29199]

4. ya

ya

[Cheswick2.0]

6. where is the link that leads to that story?

this one leads to a poll

[DancingBear]

8. It's the correct link

Look at the bottom of the page, right below the poll results.

[Renew Deal]

9. It is the story

Second paragraph

[LuminousX]

10. The polls shows how far behind Dean is, and thus his motive to play dirty

[Renew Deal]

13. Bush was polling ahead in Florida

he stole that election.

[maddezmom]

12. it's at the bottom of the poll page

a recap

[Jerseycoa]

14. Trippi-Tricks

If Dean is ever elected Trippi can have a closet in the basement of the White House. Sheesh.

[bearfartinthewoods]

80. if dean is elected trippi gets a 'corner office'

just like rove has..

[KaraokeKarlton]

15. This is ridiculous

NH is ground zero for presidential elections and everyone who lives there knows that you don't have to be a registered Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary. Undeclared and Independents are the majority and they get to vote in both Democratic and Republican primaries...same thing in Vermont.

This is just another dumb and baseless attempt to attack Howard Dean.

[Renew Deal]

16. Why do these things keep happening to Dean?

There is now a pattern of filth. Have you seen the New Republic article on Trippi? He is familiar with shenanigans.

[Padraig18]

21. "There is now a pattern of filth."

Walk away from that one--- you would NOT like me to pursue that line of discussion.

[LuminousX]

24. Definitely a pattern

But none of the 'dirty tricks' have been traced to anyone official in the campaign. The worst has been low level volunteers who have taken it upon themselves to spy on Kerry. The Clark flyer was legitimate and wasn't a smear. I still haven't seen the evidence regarding the Kerry flyer.

All in all, I suspect disruptors targeting Dean. Whether GOP or Gep.

[KaraokeKarlton]

26. A pattern of filthy and false accusations against the frontrunner

Yep, I see it plain as day. You see, Bleachers, I live in Vermont and am probably more familiar with Howard Dean's record and political leadership than almost anyone else on here (on equal footing with the other Vermonters here). I know full well that 99.9% of the criticism on here about Dean is either blatantly false or spun so bad that it's not accurate and misleading. I live in the state where Dean supposedly did these things being attacked. I say it's all BS. I think I would have noticed if he were a bad guy, and the fact is, we re-elected him 5 times because he was a GREAT governor.

Also, NH registered Independents and Undeclared voters don't have to change affiliation to vote in NH. They can vote in either primnary. This claim is just another trumped up pile of elephant dung.

[Renew Deal]

28. Was Trippi with Dean all along?

It may not be Dean. It's probably Trippi. Bush* wasn't acused of stealing elections until Rove came along.

[KaraokeKarlton]

33. Did you miss the part where I said I don't care what Trippi did in 1983?

Apparently you did. I'm voting for Howard Dean, not Joe Trippi. It's irrelevent.

:eyes:

[Padraig18]

35. 1983 is dangerous ground for some campaigns to tread upon.

'nuff said, because a word to the wise is usually sufficient.

[KaraokeKarlton]

41. Oh do tell...

Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about, and I'd really like to! :D

[Padraig18]

46. Ummm...

Think about who was President in 1983, and which candidate now running supported that President and voted to re-elect him in 1984. *wink, wink*

[KaraokeKarlton]

55. Oh yeah...1983 was when Clark supported Reagan, right?

Silly me for forgetting! If 1983 hadn't been brought up I would have forgotten all about Clark voting for the GOP!

[Padraig18]

58. Shhhhhhhhhh.....

We're not supposed to talk about 'that', because 'that' is negative campaigning, while something like this clearly isn't. See how it is now? Be a good boy, and drink your Kool Aid...

:P

[KaraokeKarlton]

63. Actually, I'm a woman....

and yeah, it's naughty to criticize the other candidates, but it would seem the same people who don't like their candidates criticized think it's entirely appropriate to paint a huge bullseye on Dean's bootie. :shrug:

[Padraig18]

64. Oops! My bad!

*blush* You're right about the hypocrisy angle, though. :)

[KaraokeKarlton]

74. Well, my handle makes it an easy mistake to make

I just sing like a man is all. :D

[funky_bug]

96. nice call

We agreed to play nice, remember?

:smoke:

[bearfartinthewoods]

83. you are lucky that attempted hijacking is just juvenile instead of

a ban-able offense.

[JVS]

89. What would have been a ban-able offense?

[Renew Deal]

39. But what if Trippi is doing this stuff now?

That would mean Dean either doesn't know or doesn't care. That doesn't bother you?

[Padraig18]

44. What *IF* frogs had wings?

See my point?

[KaraokeKarlton]

51. I'm voting for Howard Dean, not Joe Trippi

not only do I not believe the silly story, but I am not interested in what Joe Trippi does or doesn't do. I am interested in getting George Bush the hell out of the White House and I firmly believe that Howard Dean is the only one with the fundraising ability and balls of steel to fight what's on the horizon. Now, you can continue your efforts to try to convince me and other Dean supporters otherwise, but it's a waste of your time and energy. Frankly, you'll get more of a return by pissing into the wind. Or you could always post positive things about the candidate you support, but I digress...

[Cheswick2.0]

45. I see a pattern of filth here

but it is not in the Dean campaign.

[Padraig18]

47. Bravo!

:)

[RetroLounge]

69. "There is now a pattern of filth. "

Which you've now added to.

and we can see who's campaign is on the forefront of it...

hint: NOT DEAN...

p.s. You really want to go to 1983? Careful...

[Renew Deal]

70. Bring it on

I am not afraid of your threats.

You want to shoot someone. Shoot ARG. I am not them. I am just sharing the info.

[dave29]

19. OK Folks

you can accuse whoever you like - but anybody could be doing this - and it's also possible that the people in question made it up. It's sad to see people assume guilt so quickly.

The Dean campaign has handled one or two issues (which you could probably expect - it happens in any campaign - and this campaign is massive - very quickly and directly.

Let this play out before you assign blame.

[DancingBear]

29. Well said n/t

[DancingBear]

25. Question

What motive would ARG have to place this on their site, other than to inform? Surely no one can think they are "plants" for another campaign. I would like to hear some thoughts as to what motives, other than the aforementioned, are present here? Conspiracy? Hate? What? It is all well and good to blow this off as irrational bullshit if you'd like, but how so? Why is it there?

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. (sigh)

Dean's supporters harass a Clark supporter on the streets of NY.

Dean supporters are the ONLY supporters of a candidate to heckle a candidate at the Florida Democratic convention. Clark.

A CAR LOAD of Dean supporters gave the finger to a Clark supporter while he was putting out Clark signs in NH.

Dean supporters were caught handing out flyers at a Clark function that had lies on them about Clark.

Dean supporters made phone calls saying Kerry had cancer.

Dean campaign sent out a flyer saying HE was the only one who was against the war when CLEARLY, Dennis Kucinich was also.

Now this? I know, Karl Rove did it. :eyes:

[LuminousX]

36. A CAR LOAD of Dean supporters gave the finger to a Clark supporter...

LOL

Did each and every one of the Dean supporters flip the bird? Did the driver remove his hands from the 10 and 2 positions to do this? Was there mooning involved?

[Padraig18]

38. We must pray for them...

... right before we stone them. :P

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. Yes!

mooning was involved. :7

[Cheswick2.0]

50. prove it

I have seen no evidence yet.

[Padraig18]

52. No one has seen any evidence yet.

But far be it from me to suggest that as a barrier to slinging whatever shit they want out there, as though they hard proof-positive. :eyes::puke:

[Cheswick2.0]

57. some days this place reminds me of the old Clinton impeachment boards

The shit flew there too. If you didn't experience it you didn't miss anything.

[Padraig18]

59. I watched every minute of it.

I taped what i couldn't watch live, because I was at school. this reminds me of it more than you can know...

[Renew Deal]

60. I didn't write that up.

Contact ARG if you haev a problem with it.

[Padraig18]

62. I dont have a problem with ARG writing it.

I do find the subject line of the post a bit suspicious, since the absence of a question mark in it makes it a declarative sentence, as though this were FACTUAL...

[Renew Deal]

65. Good point

I will fix it.

[Padraig18]

66. Thanks.

:)

[TexasPatriot]

30. it could be Rove and his dirty tricks

one of the Clark Supporter mantras is that they want Dean... we know that - they're brazen about it. So i wouldnt put it past em to call a couple thousand people...

it'd be really interesting to see where that call came from

on the other hand, there have been several accusations of 'dirty pool' the last couple days - pretty much starting from the flubbed press-invited call. We know Trippi has a history of, well, call it 'interesting' campaign tactics.

I think it's worth investigating.

Whomever is responsible should be exposed.

[Padraig18]

32. Like our candidate, we prefer evidence

Lynching without trial is reserved for other campaigns.

[Clark Can WIN]

34. This has Trippi's STINK all over it.

I hope it is not found to be Dean because it would be disgraceful and it would be a disservice to the Democratic party and an insult to those who support Dean.

I mean that with all sincerity. Trippi is the worst kind of political snake and I hope he's not put Deans supporters in the position of defending vile tactics such as these.

[Padraig18]

37. See post #32. n/t

[LuminousX]

40. Please, this isn't even skilled dirty tricks

This is crass and not even set up decently. I would expect any political operative to be far more insidious. This seems to either be an effort to discredit Dean or a GOP tactic. Think about all the freepers who come here to pretend to be supporters of one candidate to rip on another candidate.

[Cheswick2.0]

53. oh, now you can smell trippi over your computer screen?

really? You have some super powers I never heard of!

[Padraig18]

56. Not only that, but...

... some Clark supporters have crystal balls that enable them to 'know' what will happen next November, Ches...

[RetroLounge]

71. I hope Clark isn't found to be a pedophile

that would be bad. I have no proof but still, I thought I'd post it anyhow. My neighbor's cousin's mailman's tax accountant heard it at the grocery store.

So Is Clark a Pedophile????

it would be disgraceful and it would be a disservice to the Democratic party

I hope he not a Pedophile...

I mean that with all sincerity.

Because if Clark is a Pedophile it would be an insult to those who support Clark.


Now you really want to continue this bullshit?

[maddezmom]

73. sad :(

[Padraig18]

75. You're right--- it IS sad.

However, it is no more sad than the initial post which started this thread, and has just as much proof to back it up.

See how that works now? :think:

[Renew Deal]

76. At least there is a shred to back it up.

I didn't make anything up. Like I said. Shoot ARG.

[Padraig18]

77. Don't misunderstand.

I agree the story is there; what I mean is there is no evidence FOR the story, other than 3 alleged 'elderly NH voters'. Goossip would also be an acceptable term to use.:)

[maddezmom]

84. updated info here

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/1/9/185537/0405

[maddezmom]

81. yup I guess I do

however I didn't jump to any conclusion about it. Just feel something or someone is up to something.

[JVS]

90. I am shocked and disgusted that Clark might be that!

[eileen from OH]

42. I would like to go on record

that as a Dean supporter I would never, in a million years, believe that ANY of our candidates would sanction or approve any of this kind of crap.

Furthermore, if there's ever any rumor, accusation, etc. about YOUR candidate:

- I won't believe it

- I won't automatically assume it's true because it's your guy/gal and not mine.

- I won't post it, not even once, much less 6 times in a day.

- I won't automatically think it is "evidence" to support a whole world full bad shit about your candidate or his campaign manager.

- I will be extremely, extremely, extremely suspicious of it.

- I will remember that EVERY campaign that uses volunteers cannot control them 100% and that there are no doubt individuals in EVERY campaign who are doing stoopid, stoopid things and unless I hear proof that they were ASKED or ENCOURAGED to do it by the official campaign, it doesn't mean shit.

There is something truly stinky about so-called Dems who are not only ready, but goddam EAGER to believe the worst about candidates other than their own. There's also something extremely fishy about the plethora (sorry, whoever hates that word) of dirty Dean campaign stories that are suddenly popping up.

eileen from OH

[CMT]

43. did it ever occur to you that Dean could be set up?

Cmon, someone calls and says it is too late to register to vote in Democratic primary, then someone says, "but I'm planning to vote for Dean" and then suddenly, "oh, it's alright then." That sounds pretty stupid if it is Dean people doing it. Sounds set up.

[diamondsoul]

72. As someone who is admantly opposed

to a Dean nomination for my own reasons, I agree completely about this particular stunt.

Sorry if I offend all you Dean supporters because I'm not pointing fingers at you right now- I flat don't trust Joe Trippi and his being the major figure in the Dean campaign causes me serious doubts about Dean's integrity. Worse Dean's integrity has always been questioned by me personally so that just a double whammy against him, if you understand my point?

HOWEVER, Joe Trippi's stunts have some imagination, some creative flair, that this is distinctly lacking. I'll give the man credit for his creative talents anyway, and this ain't his work, imo.

[bearfartinthewoods]

86. ok...anytime anyone gets a political or polling number

WRITE DOWN THE NUMBER if you have id capability.

[jpgpenn]

94. No

not at all. I know dean along with his campaign are more the able to do such stuff. heck we are talking about the same crew that sent out Dean's famous" Only candidate against the war" brochure. nuff said.

[Hep]

48. You would make a great addition to the mainstream media!

Maureen Dowd, Peggy Noonan, move over!

[Donna Zen]

68. This is the tip of the iceberg

What is happening behind closed doors is far worse.

Blue Dog Trippi

This makes me sad beyond on belief.

[maddezmom]

78. Kick

[democratreformed]

82. New info here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/1/9/185537/0405

[in_cog_ni_to]

85. Very interesting.

Thanks.

[jpgpenn]

87. sickening

this is 1 slimy individual!:puke:

[democratreformed]

88. It's now mentioned on Josh Marshal's site

Link: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_01_04.html#002390

[in_cog_ni_to]

91. kick

:kick:

[jpgpenn]

92. Thanks for the link

[funky_bug]

95. No reason to bring this here

Yesterday the Dean camp took slam after slam with the whole, "my cousin's uncle's trainer's doctor's receptionist's boyfriend's bartender said" thing...

He said/she said is unverifiable and should be dismissed with a big fat...

:hurts:

[Tinoire]

97. because they missed the deadline to switch parties...

Clark is... "gaining among undeclared (independent) voters planning to vote in the Democratic primary."

What a nightmare.