Superb report on the authenticity of the CBS docs

[Onlooker]

http://imrl.usu.edu/bush_memo_study/index.htm

This was actually posted in the lounge area by noexcuseforgeorge. He's a newbie, so thank him, not me:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x1740864


The article will blow you away with regard to its belief that the documents are authentic.

I hope you think this is interesting enough to keep kicked!

[qanda]

1. Excellent indeed...

I hope everyone will read it and pass it along.

[Karmadillo]

2. Interesting analysis. Since the liberal media bullhorned the doubts raised

in the "blogosphere", I assume they'll be just as diligent in letting everyone know that there's substantial evidence contradicting those doubts. It's the American Way.

[2Design]

3. kick to top

[AmanAplanKerry]

4. The originals would answer all questions

Why not produce them?

[robbedvoter]

5. Ask Ms Rodrigues (is she?) of Roger Stone.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Lucy Ramirez is the name you seek

whoever she is, if she even exists.

[newyawker99]

10. Hi AmanAplanKerry!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Carla in Ca]

27. And I'm still waiting for my star

n/t

[Carla in Ca]

26. I agree, where are they?

And welcome to DU!:hi:

[bullimiami]

7. onlooker. how did you come to the conclusion...

""The article will blow you away with regard to its belief that the documents are authentic. ""

It did not conclude the documents as "authentic" at all. What it did was say that there is nothing physical about the documents that is not consistent with the premise that they could be authentic or very well done forgeries using period equipment and techniques.

[Onlooker]

9. You can never absolutely prove something is authentic

The best one can ever conclude is there's a preponderance of evidence that it is authentic. That's true with any document. I assume that's why the author of the article phrased things the way he did. Clearly, the article solves every claim about the document that the wingnuts raised.

[I_like_chicken]

18. This still doesn't help our cause

the documents will continue to be described as fake until there is solid proof that they're real. At this point, the only way to prove they're real is to produce the real ones, which is probably impossible.

[AnIndependentTexan]

19. Bottom of page

This is at the very bottom.

All indicators imply they are authentic. I would have told them that from my point of view, the memos are worthy of presenting to the public.

[jmowreader]

8. One very minor comment

Numbers in proportional fonts are almost always monospace. This is so columns of numbers will line up. We call these "lining" numerals.

There is a class of figure called "oldstyle" where the 1 occupies less space than a 6. These aren't common.

But in general, this is a good analysis.

[Gin]

11. the page is not available anymore....anyone have it another way?

g

[Onlooker]

22. Try again

It's available now.

[kentuck]

12. Most thorough examination thus far...

CBS should study this closely.

[Onlooker]

13. Kick

EOM

[Dems Will Win]

15. I say, most interesting!

Dr. H20 Man and Dems Will Win examine the copy
of the copy of the copy of the TANG forgery.

I would say this proves we have a typewriter and not a word processor, which makes sense because a document authentication process would have taken place no matter who the forgeries were given to.

The real part of proving forgery lies in the content as Staudt was named in the memos as still having command power long after he had left. Plus Mrs. Knox had an old Olympia manual typewriter that she says she typed something similar on. So there were real memos at some point but they are on an old manual!

The Staudt mistake was a deliberate falsity planted by Dr. Roviarty to discredit the whole batch to the press later. Buckhead was tipped off by Stone just that the docs were fake and so Buckhead tried to squeeze them into a forgery produced by a word processor.

That will no longer hold up. But it just means that Dr. Roviarty had them typed by Bartlett on an electric typewriter of the day to replace the Knox memos that Bartlett must have also had--as he has always been in charge of the National Guard docs for the White House. No doubt the memos were included in the original records after Killian died or Bartlett sought them out, knowing Killian did not like Bush!

The real memos might have something worse on Bush that Dr. Roviarty has been trying to cover up the entire time! But the main point now is that the evil doctor has managed to win the game by neutralizing CBS and the Guard story with the Dan Rather blather.

It's elementary!

I shall soon call the GD Discussion 2004 forum to the parlor and reveal my solution of "The Strange Case of the TANG Forgeries".

[featherman]

14. Clearly CBS should have authenticated the docs (as much as copies can

be) by having at least two thorough reports like this from reputable experts. Then at least a counter attack could have been mounted and this "forged documents" mythology would be just within the RW blogosphere and not infecting the entire media.
But they did not.
My position remains that the docs are what they purport to be: copies of memos signed by Killian.
There is more to come about this story. It is way too juicy to die a peaceful death... way too many reps on the line.

[lawladyprof]

16. Sent to CBS--eom

[mhr]

17. Excellent Rebuttal To The Forgeries Crowd Here At DU

Take that Freepers!

[allemand]

20. There were a lot of people here at DU who thought that the documents

were forgeries. You don't want to insult all these people, do you?

[mhr]

21. Many Of Them Are Probably Trolls - If True, Then Yes

eom

[jmowreader]

24. If they were forged, someone went to a LOT of work

We call the following procedure a line check. Do this:

a. Fire up your favorite word processor, type up the CYA memo, print it out, throw it on the table and stick a ruler at the baseline of the text. Notice that all of the characters sit right on the baseline--except for the letters with rounded bottoms, and they're very slightly below it. (Fun type trivia: a letter with a rounded bottom has to sit slightly below the baseline, for if it sits on the baseline it looks like it's above the baseline.)

b. Now print out the PDF of the CYA memo, throw it on the table and stick a ruler at the baseline of the text. You will see that some of the full-sized letters, the lowercase e in particular, sit above the baseline. You'll further note that the position of the e is not the same throughout the document.

A word processor will not do this. A typewriter that someone's used extensively will.

[KT2000]

23. Kick

sure hope Dan Rather has seen this!

[Ruby Romaine]

25. kick!