does the two faced image need the words?

[mopinko]

Poll question: does the two faced image need the words?

i posted this in the idea thread, but i think it is a really important question-
just my experience with the wingnuts- i have several buttons with chimpy's face on them among my large selection of buttons. in a neutral setting, like an art fair, i will have wingnuts come up and look over every button, sure that in so many pics, there must be one that is favorable. so, if it uses his picture, the message must be spelled out for these idiots.

[NV Whino]

1. People see what they want to see

Gotta help 'em out a little sometimes. My pref is no words, but we're dealing with real dumbos.

[The Doctor.]

10. actually... the image has strong

unconscious impact.

Even for someone who is not anti-bush, the 'unnatural' appearance of his face rubs the subconscious the wrong way. The recognition of the face may occur at many more levels than the immediate consciousness.

So the less 'cognitive' someone is, the more this could affect them.

I'll distribute it without the words - silence has impact. When looking at the image through a quiet mind - all associations are made on deeper levels.
When one introduces words to the image - it turns on a kind of 'mental noise' or internal dialogue. We want this DEEP.

[drfemoe]

16. it

tied my stomach into a knot when it first appeared here.
Aversion therapy . Silence works best.

[TaleWgnDg]

43. yes, I agree . . . for tis far better when one wears

both suspenders AND belt when in the blowing hot air of rightwing political rhetoric . . . having both words AND the two-faced image cuts through the wind!!

go for it!!

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"Bush Lies"

SEE & HEAR VIDEO FOR YOURSELF:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/stuff/abc-bushlie.mp4

"We were struck today by a very pointed attack
by President Bush on John Kerry. First of all,
this is what Mr. Bush said." -- Peter Jennings,
ABC World News Tonight, September 21, 2004

"We agree that the world is a better off with
Saddam Hussein sitting in a prison cell. And that
stands in stark contrast to a statement my opponent
made today when he said that the world was better
off with Saddam in power. I strongly disagree."
-- George W. Bush, September 21, 2004

"And this is what Mr. Kerry actually said."
-- Peter Jennings, ABC World News Tonight,
September 21, 2004

"Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who
deserves his own special place in hell; but that
was not, that was not -- in and of itself -- a reason
to go to war. The satisfaction that we take in his
downfall does not hide this fact: we have traded
a dictator for a chaos that has left America less
secure." -- John F. Kerry, September 21, 2004
http://www.oliverwillis.com/stuff/abc-bushlie.mp4
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[IronLionZion]

2. My problem with it is that it doesn't say Bush on it

Some people may not realize right away that it is Bush.


And the two-faced words HAVE to be there. They just jump out at you and drive home the meaning. It would be cool to have t-shirts that have that on the front and instances of two-faceness on the back.

[demokatgurrl]

7. Maybe if you put a cowboy hat on it. n/t

[drostie]

20. how do you miss that that's Bush?

My only problem with the image is that it looks like Bush has no right eye.

[IronLionZion]

22. WE know it's Bush, but others may not get it right away. n/t

[newyawker99]

46. Hi drostie!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[roseBudd]

25. I asked little kids if they knew who it was

they did

[IronLionZion]

32. Cause those kids hear you bitch about Bush 24/7?

[roseBudd]

38. no they were black kids who saw me put it on the utility pole

in front of their house

[roseBudd]

39. I gave it to college kids at grocery store

they are into spreading it

[AgadorSparticus]

54. got some neighbors to agree to spread the images.

[radfringe]

3. needs the words

at least until the image more widely recognized and becomes part of the culture

[tinrobot]

4. Yes words, but SMALL words...

DO NOT overpower the image with words.

Keep the letters VERY small, so people have to look twice to read the text. If they have to look twice, they will remember the image and the message.

[tinrobot]

12. Like this...

Big text spoils the message because people naturally read words first. The text is not the message, the image is the message, the text is secondary:



I'm not plugging this particular design, mind you. It's just a rough example. The reason I'm posting it is that I've seen a few images where the text is overpowering.

[underseasurveyor]

29. I like that

I like the original post one also. But I think adding something like,
~Osama Who~ or
~Osama No Osama~ or
~Osama No Bin Laden~

Something simple to go along with ~two-faced~ not only to remind folks but also to get them from point A to 'thought' B. Otherwise their minds will be left to wander off in sound bite land convincing themselves it's just petty partisan nana-nana-NAna cause they called Kerry a flipflopper.

Or print 50 that say ~two-faced~ and another 50 with my idea or your own and then mix and match em all over the neighborhood:evilgrin:
As long as the message is simple :-)

Gee I'm gonna miss doing this kind of stuff after Kerry wins. "By a landslide" says Randi Rhodes:thumbsup: Course after Kerry does win we could still have some fun. Put LOSER in huge diagonal letters over his ugly mug and put those all over the place :bounce: heh heheh

[kentuck]

5. I'm sorry. I don't see it???

Is "two-faced' supposed to be the opposite of "flip-flopper"?? Give me some words to help understand what you are talking about??

[drfemoe]

17. Two-faced

As in "clear skies", as he pens the go ahead to industrial pollution.

As in "no child left behind" as he pens measures to make sure SCHOOLS are left way behind.

As in "freedom marches", as he continues to oppress and war against the people of the world.

As in "bring it on", as he claims a "Victory".

..... Can you think of more?

[roseBudd]

28. two faced is a big insult, way worse that a liar or a flip flopper

its lowest of the low

[goclark]

6. Word should say LIAR -LIAR

LIAR on one side and LIAR on the other.

If we say that it is a TRUE and a STRONG message.

Twofaced does not get to the heart of the issue.

[demokatgurrl]

8. Good idea, in contrasts colors to the image on each side

black letters next to the white side of the face and vice versa.

[goclark]

9. That's it!

I posted Liar - Liar to the Two Faced thread but I don't know what others think.

Hope it's not too late.

I can see it all now...

LIAR! LIAR! pants on fire - LOL

[AgadorSparticus]

55. i like your suggestion but i think too many versions will dilute the

impact. i think we should stick with just two-faced. i think it is actually more effective.

[Spiffarino]

11. Definitely needs the words

Otherwise it's just looks like a mime or something. Unless there is something there to give it definition, many people won't even recognize that it's the Shrub let alone what it's supposed to mean.

The is to get people to view him as a mealy-mouthed, two-faced little liar. Sure, those of us who already see him that way don't need words, but what about those who are on the fence?

[roseBudd]

50. The purpose is not to convert bush lovers

but to fire up a lot of haters and keep them motivated until Nov. 2

[mzmolly]

13. I still like my idea of different Bush flip flops in small print ...

using his own words against him ...
I voted other, but I'm "in" regardless.

;)

[Must_B_Free]

14. By the way, how is ?W doing these days?

[meti57b]

15. I'm concerned about the black-white imagery.

I also don't think it looks like bush.

I do like the concept. Maybe red and black ... red for "red ink" and black for "black ink". Perhaps a cartoon drawing would better get the point across that it is bush.

[roseBudd]

51. I have been showing it to strangers on the street since Sunday

and not one person has npt known who it is. It is meant to be seen from a distance.

[Search Party]

18. image only

it is my understanding that this is step 1 of a larger campaign.

the explanation comes later. until then, let it do its haunting.

think of the rolling stones lips/tongue. you see it now, you know exactly what it is/means.

[Gregorian]

30. Oh, I like this idea----words later.

Hey, I just realized there isn't much "later". We're there now. But yes, a two staged thing.

[BlueNomad]

19. It is not entirely clear

to me that that is George Bush (sorry) until I really give that a hard look. The image is quite abstract intensified by the black and white color. I would splash in red right through the center of the faces and stretching across --- BUSH--. Leave in the two faced at the bottom too.

[WiseMen]

21. Undecideds DON'T GET IT. Have to be specific

Many phrases needed that can be alternatively used on in
varied contexts, buttons, posters etc.

[leeroysphitz]

23. Actually...

I've already put the words on and have been putting stickers
up all over my town...



http://www.croughen.com/images/comical/two-faced-1500.jpg

[Gregorian]

31. That's about as good as it gets.

Yay. Keep the presses rolling.

[VOX]

24. Unfortunately, effective propaganda should be specific...

The words are probably necessary.

[cheshire]

26. All pics of that SOB MF need to be banned for ever.

:puke:

[roseBudd]

27. With words using stencil font

Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high resolution TIF or PDF file to print and distribute everywhere. Utility poles, bus stops, bulletin boards, newspaper racks, car windshields, phone booths, etc. Guerilla marketers needed to create MAXIMUM BUZZ!

[sr_pacifica]

33. IIt has two possible meanings

and without the words, one or both of the two I think come to mind. "Two-faced" is one, but my first thought when I saw it was "black and white," meaning Bush sees the world in black and white simplicity and lacks the maturity of mind to recognize the complexity of issues, events, people, etc.

[bush equals idiot]

35. Only my hope.

I just hope this does not backfire on all the great efforts. I just think "TWO FACED" is too sinister. The image is very strong on it's own. Adding a derogatory slogan, even though true, I feel will turn off the very people we're trying to bring to Kerry.

If the Republicans effectively turn this into a joke ...well, I said my two cents.

My suggestion would have been along the lines that would make whoever saw it think....well, maybe I'm not so sure until I hear more. Something like:

KNOW BUSH ...........................AFTER YOU VOTE

B4 YOU VOTE .........................IT'S TOO LATE

But I'll put em out.

[roseBudd]

52. It is TWO-FACED because DNC registered twofacesofbush.com

[Gore1FL]

36. A third for the GOP minded

Black and White = Clarity

[Carni]

44. It reminds me of the Robert Mitchum movie/Love hate tatoos on hands

I have no idea what the name of the flick is...

But R.Mitchum is a whacko and a preacher and he's trying to kill a couple of little kids (to get at a doll I think?)he's got love tatooed on one hand and hate on the other.

The base line is he's a psycho posing as a "man of God"

As soon as I saw the two faces image the other day on the DU home page, I immediately was reminded of that old movie!

[sr_pacifica]

47. "Night of the Hunter" n/t

[foo_bar]

34. compare and contrast

[Gore1FL]

37. It is one thing to over explain

but it another to under explain.

The words make it obvious, and leaves no room for misinterpretation.

Without it -- The image raised awareness to GWB as a candidate, but not the failed policies and practices that represents the intention of the graphic.

[Kipepeo]

40. I like it with the text

Without the text many idiots are likely to think it's a "cool" rendition of their leader.

Needs the text. Without it, it's just free marketing for Bush imho.

[roseBudd]

41. I used the graphic with caption today while canvassing

People wanted them

I have 2 clipboards, one with reg. forms, one with flyers. The flyers clipboard is clear plastic. I hold it in a way that people can see 2 faced. Very effective. And very recognizable.

I also used my flim flam man flyer yesterday with a Bush supporter. He read it.

Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download flyers to print.

[Kipepeo]

42. Thank you!

I have already printed out a bunch of flyers from your site. Thanks!!

This is the design I'd like to get on shirts, stickers, and in small size (like 6 to a page) for leaving inside of books and on video store shelves. :)

[AgadorSparticus]

45. i will add the text until this gets serious traction.

when there is no doubt what this image means to the public, i will remove the text and just go with the image.

[Rockholm]

48. The TEXAS TWO-FACE.......

To go with the Texas Two Step. I wish I could do a flash animation.

[roseBudd]

49. TWO-FACED on paper is the most pervasive way to get it in front

of the most eyeballs

I am on day 4 and it is beautiful

[AntiFascist]

53. "Two-faced" is one aspect of it...

but "narrow-minded", as in seeing only in black and white, also comes to mind. "Two-faced" would probably play better in the campaign, though.

[roseBudd]

56. If you don't know what a TWO-FACED person is then you just

don't realize thast there is nothing worse. A TWO-FACED person is a faker. A TWO-FACED person smiles in your face all the while they are screwing you.

the GOP created FLIP-FLOPPER and have inspired the right to hate Kerry.

TWO-FACED is way worse than FLIP-FLOPPER. People who do not understand anything else instinctively know what TWO-FACED is. Especially low income people. We have had huge success registering unlikely voters. Now we need to close the deal. Someone more skilled than us in marketing came up with TWO-FACED. We need to get behind it.