Sy Hersch On Daily Show- If * is Re-Elected We're In Trouble

[redstateblues]

The way he said it was in a very ominous tone that scared me- Like he knows how bad it could get

[jean]

1. seems very tame for Sy Hersch

[liberalpragmatist]

3. You had to see it

It wasn't the statement - that in and of itself was unremarkable. It was the tone with which he said it - simultaneously conveying fear, anguish, and sarcasm to suggest a "we're fucked" attitude. The audience lapped that up. It was great.

[NEDem]

6. yeah that is how I saw it too

for the first time in a few months, I'm a little freaked out. His tone of voice freaked me out.

[Maat]

2. I get to watch it 10 P.M. Pacific Time ...

in approx. 1-1/2 hours. Thanks for letting me know that it's gonna' be good.

[Pirate Smile]

18. The entire show is great from his chit chat at the beginning to the

end of the interview.

[GideonStargrave]

4. I missed it!

but it's coming on another channel @ 12 EST over here, I'll check it out.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

5. I get that feeling everytime I read his New Yorker articles

the guy definitely knows shit when he sees it.

[MuseRider]

7. I missed it

I was at rehearsal but will watch it at midnight. When I met Wes Clark he did the same thing, he looked in our eyes and said that, he said work as hard as you can and make sure this does not happen, it is very important. He scared the crap outta me. We are in very deep shit if Bush* is elected.

[bookman]

8. Scared me too. n/t

[AP]

9. I believe Sy Hersh was the guy who blew the top off CIA's involvement in..

...Allende's assassination.

BTW.

I think I just read that recently.

[Minimus]

10. Yes and his comment about our democracy

being so fragile that we could allow these neo cons to take over so easily.

I was very sobering.

[troublemaker]

11. But wasn't his tone odd... what does he know?

It was really scary, but he was sort of cutesy and light about it at the same time. Sort of joking, like they were talking about an asteroid hitting the Earth--scary and possible, but not real likely.

I wonder what the CIA has in the pipeline?

(No wonder Bush was in such a hurry to get Goss in there.)

[redstateblues]

12. Maybe the CIA will Provide an October surprise

[NinetySix]

13. Hersh isn't joking.

It's plain to see. If Bush lost by half a million votes and ruled as though by mandate before running for a second term, that is, as though he were not accountable, how do you think his Administration will behave during a second term? And consider, if he is not repudiated by the electorate, it will be seen as a tacit vindication, an affirmation by the electorate (no matter how small his margin of victory) of the policies of the last four years.

Such an Administration is almost certain to become even further radicalized; remember, Colin Powell, the most respected member of the current Administration (although God knows why after he sold his integrity), will depart in January of 2005 whether Bush wins or not. Who do you think will replace him at State? Another moderate? Just for balance, maybe. Don't hold your breath.

Do you wonder why people all around the world are so closely following the course of this election campaign? Would it surprise you to learn that European nations also closely followed German politics in the 1930s? I'm not directly comparing Bush to Hitler here, but when a nation which is already the most militarily superior in the world begins to become aggressively militaristic, it often makes the other, ethical, responsible, sober nations of the world begin to worry that they might find themselves having to take care of a problem. Consider how you would feel if the U.S. were still a respected world leader and it were the Chinese doing all the saber-rattling.

I think that very few people have taken the time to ask themselves what the world will look like in a second Bush term after an intensification of the international policy of the first. Seymour Hersh is one of these few, and the picture he sees is pretty clear, one well-known to all of us here on this board.

on edit: misspelled Hersh.

[Hamlette]

15. passage from Paul O'Niel's book completely spooked me

more than anything else I've heard/read about these guys. Paul didn't think another tax cut was in order after the 2002 election. He thought Cheney was someone in the admin who would listen to him. He went to see Cheney and begged him not to cut taxes again as it would be bad for the economy.

Cheney brushed him off saying: "We won the election, it's our due."

Scared me to death.

Just think how they'll be with out Powell et al to try to keep them moderate, thinking its their due because they won 2004 AND knowing they don't have to face another election.

So many times I've said "Bush will be reasonable, he wouldn't be that nuts, he'll try to govern for all of us." Every time I've been wrong.

We're fucked.

[LosinIt]

16. Exactly! But how can European nations save us from ourselves?

When the Nazis began taking over all of Europe, there were great military powers (Britain, USA, USSR) to counter them. But who remains today? I have been reading about the German Resistance and there are soooo many parallels to today; the media complicity, loss of free speech, to name a few.

I am frankly VERY concerned. The polls and the media are trying their best to make it seem that the election is already won by Bu$h. So if/when they rig it again, the populace will believe that oh, well I guess that Bu$h is just too popular. Even if there is blatant evidence that the election is rigged, who will do anything about it? The Republican House or the Republican Senate??? The Supreme Court?? They have already shown their stripes.

I don't mean to be alarmist, but can somebody tell me what will happen if he "wins"???

[NinetySix]

20. Obviously Europe of the 30s & 40s is an inexact parallel.

One thing makes all the difference: nukes. Even so, I'm sure that Europe, one of the few upright and sober regions of the world in this day and age, would use the resources, political and otherwise, to resist the acceleration of the course of events. Russia, itself becoming more autocratic, is unlikely to have compatible goals with the (hypothetical 2nd term) United States. China, with its enormous economic, military, and manpower resources would likely not go along with any plans to subjugte long-time ally North Korea. Perhaps most importantly, one billion muslims from numerous nations across North Africa and Southwest Asia, while not a direct military threat to the United States, could quite easily become a problem of existential gravity to its close ally in the region, the State of Israel, if they were to put aside their differences to acheive a long-time common goal, thus involving the U.S. in all theaters of the region.

We could easily be looking at World War III if things do not go exactly according to the NeoCons' plans. I think they have a track record in this sort of thing, don't they. You can probably find out about it on-line.

[yowzayowzayowza]

24. With all due respect to "The Greatest Generation"...

WWII did not rid the world of fascism, rather, made the world safe for American Fascism.

[LosinIt]

28. But there was a strong, military power to combat the Nazis

Who will there be to combat the Bushistas with their power-drunk 2nd term? We won't be able to do ANYTHING about it. They've got all three branches of government sewn up, along with the media.

[Behind the Aegis]

26. You can't save the unwilling.

I think many countries are alarmed at the behavior of our government and the complicity of our people. Our media has slanted so much to the right, that many who view our country see us as they see our government. That is what scares me.

As for the polls, I almost like that they show the Shrub ahead and gloss over when Kerry takes a lead. I feel that many people see voting as a chore and not a privilege. Therefore, they see Shrubie is ahead and think "I don't have to vote...it's in the bag!" But, Kerry people see the polls and get more angry and are ready to vote in droves! When someone feels they are ahead, they will often get complacent. I am hoping that is what is happening on the right. They don't really like the Shrub, but since it is "in the bag" because the "polls say so," they will not have to bother with voting! The only downside is that when Kerry wins (being an optimist), the Rethugs will scream "election fraud!" and will say that "the polls clearly showed Shrubie was winning!" and there is no way Kerry could have won! Then we will be involved in another court battle!

I don't feel you are being an alarmist. Our country has taken some scary turns! We need to be strong, vigilant, and VOTE!

Brightest Blessings!

[ewagner]

14. Scared the crap out of me

I've never seen Hersch so blunt.

I've never seen him so troubled.

I'm going to rewatch it at midnight.......then see if I can sleep.

[Hamlette]

17. Hersch is on my shit list. . .

saw him on some panel on CSpan...a couple of weeks ago. Someone asked him if Kerry had a better plan in Iraq. He said no. He went on to explain there is nothing anyone can do in Iraq but made it clear he didn't think kerry would be any better.

[Wind Dancer]

19. Hersh is fearful of what will happen to this country.

He has been around a long time and his comment scared me, too.

I don't think he was critical of Kerry but concerned that he wasn't sure how Kerry was going to fix this nightmare. I have seen him interviewed and heard him speak on C-SPAN, he seems angry and frightened over the state of our country's reputation and how this could have happened.

He doesn't think this war is about oil but an ideology, I am a bit confused with that.

[Hamlette]

23. this war IS about ideology

that's what PNAC is about. Oil didn't sound right to me either. These bozos think they can turn the whole world into a utopia.

Remember, one of the last things Bremer did before leaving Iraq in June of this year was to write and have our first group of puppets pass a law providing that Iraq will always have a flat tax.

Also remember, when the admin was picking people to go to Iraq to set up a new government and provide services, they did not pick the best people to go, they picked the most religious and ideological to go.

What was that about...if not to remake Iraq in the neocon image of what a country should be.

[G_j]

21. that was an excellent segment

and scary! :scared:

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

22. I have these republican friends

that will not even read Hersch, or Clark, or others with background, knowledge, and understanding because "they have an agenda, or they just want Kerry no matter what and will lie for it"...

it is so sad they will not even 'consider' these authors' points of view....

Look at any serious situation that we have faced...during the time when real decisions were being made we never had the full picture of what is going on behind the scenes...i feel it is thesame with hersch...it IS much worse than we think....even now...

[CityDem]

25. Memo to Sy

No shit - tell me something I don't already know.

[Joe Turner]

27. Like him or hate him, Hersch has a great mind n/t