Councilmember Licata doesn't understand basic physics

[maxsolomon]

Dear Nick Licata:

i think you are under the misimpression that noise does not radiate in all directions equally, but instead stays at the elevation it is generated. I would like to diabuse you of this notion. I work on the central waterfront. Despite the fact that Viaduct traffic is from 20' to 40' above my head, i can hear each individual vehicle barreling past at 60 mph. it is like being on an airport runway, except the noise is constant. Its more like standing next to a shopvac.

Also, traffic that moves at 60 mph with a roof over it makes considerably more noise than traffic that moves at 30 mph & stops at lights & has no surface to reflect off of.

But, i'm no maritime employee or cement truck driver, so what do i know?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/307563_surface15.html

The concept isn't a slam dunk, Council President Nick Licata said, and it needs further development, but it could be more of a waterfront barrier than an elevated highway.

"The noise will be right there" at ground level, he said.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

1. Oh, but the sounds of the BIG CITY!

And did you notice the drawing of the few cars on the waterfront?!But no tunnel underneith? And those well rounded cars?

I am sure Shell had a mistress of interior design work out that picture in a bill of goods!

By the by Max-where is underground Seattle! (?)
and whats under that?
Geology!

[maxsolomon]

2. again with the rendering critique

making those drawings takes time & costs money - it was VOLUNTEERED time.

why don't you try IMAGINING more cars there? and people? & bikes? and trucks?

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

3. I know what you mean! But

Where do you figure in for developers?
And where do all the cars go?

The cost of rerouting traffic would no doubt fall apon the state tax payers threw I 5 and 405 than I90 and other highway expansion.

The big city sounds-the trains ,the planes -the cars-the viducts.The ,the fire works too!

Aroura -I5 Fremont avenue -15 n.e. University bridge -Roosevelt bridge-how about getting to Tocoma-or heading northbound from Tocoma into Seattle early morning rush-than evening as it is?

It,s not just the cars that use the viduct- it,s where will they put those cars.

You don,t know what noise is ,until you hear a engineer really mad about that traffic hold up every day in the commute.
Last one to leave-shut down the lights!

And I.ll bet you that tunnal design is flawed in more ways than you would even want to know!
And I,ll tell you something else, I already won that bet-befor that drawing was even thought of!

[maxsolomon]

4. screw the cars

cars are last century.

biofuels cannot keep our vehicle fleet going at current or projected numbers.

the planet cannot grow that amount of fuel. the planet cannot handle that much CO2.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

5. Yes Max the global situation

Befor earth day came into existence back in the late sixties early seventies it was a well known fact that the oil corperations had control over the automobile industeries in so far as just how far a car can go per unit of fule -Yes Max the industrial revolution-Rockerfeller ,you know the kings.Pollution-corperate emmissions and waste-on and so on -,Though the average person in those days did not necessarialy understand the controling factor -where it is the oil corperations wheel in to much power and control.

Why in those days At&T ,old Ma Bell was on the hot sheet.
The ah, break up of AT&T ,and hell,after all those stocks split and than quartered ,indeed,what a shame!

People in those days thought that the Government would not allow corperations to become so powerful!
In the very same way it was not of common knowledge in the 1920,s, though scientificly it was indeed!Who would have thought that the automobile industery had no choice but to hop into bed with the oil corperations!In fact the government and the oil wiggs have been repeatedly warned since befor Fords model T went into production.That is by the scientists-,all of the scientists,globaly.

And the car of the future already exists-and is always on display at the worlds fair,- wherever it is!

So you can,t just make the problem go away by saying screw it.

What you do however is, stay informed and get involved.
And when the time is right ,you vote the right way and do the right thing.
Because thats what being a good citizan of the planet is all about.