Mark Wilson supporters: Will you support Hong Tran?

[Cascadian]

All those who backed Mark Wilson now have a choice. It's either Hong Tran, Cantwell, or the Green Party candidate. Which one will you support? I am not even going to support Cantwell and so I will be supporting Tran as the Democratic nominee for the Senate. The only way I would vote for Cantwell is if she wins the primary but that will be as far as I go. No bumper stickers, no yard signs, and not a dime from me for Cantwell. However, we can encourage more people to join us and support Hong Tran who would make a better Senator than Cantwell who has sold her soul to the military/industrial neocon complex.

So what will the choice be progressives?


John

[Norrin Radd]

1. Agreed. Tran in the primary. n/t

[maxsolomon]

2. Tran Primary, Cantwell General

democracy is thriving!

[uppityperson]

3. Tran primary, Cantwell general

Tran has no chance of winnint the primary,but I feel the need to continue to send Cantwell a message.

[Pierzin]

4. Yep. Send her a message!

We need a working class hero in this state really Baaaaaaad.

[Pierzin]

5. Tran has 59 days to shake up the Democratic Primary!!!

All of you people who promise to send maria cantwell a message for being a tool of the Bush administration, despite her somewhat progressive message,
Tran has 59 days left. Will she capitulate when the primary is over? Will she continue her campaign? One can only hope.

[Johnyawl]

21. Tran says she will support Cantwell.

If Tran loses next month's primary, she said she will vote for Cantwell in November. And, if asked, she probably would appear with Cantwell at campaign events if it didn't conflict with her job search.

In fact, the only good thing Tran has to say about Cantwell comes in a comparison to her likely Republican challenger, Mike McGavick.

"As much as I disagree with Maria Cantwell, I do think she is a better fit for Washington state."




http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003178707_hong06m.html

[Rainscents]

6. I'm voting for her since Wilson bailed.

[rhett o rick]

7. Wonder if sell-out Wilson actually does any work for her or just

receive a check. Democracy in action, not.

[LisaM]

8. No. I saw her speak at a caucus back in April

She doesn't have anywhere near the experience for this job; I was not the least bit impressed with her.

[WA98296]

9. No. Not after personally seeing Tran speak. I'll be supporting Maria this

run. If she makes it, and if we regain control of the houses, then LOOK OUT.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

10. What did she say that will cause you

To watch it, looking outword?
Does look out have anything to do with keeping her feet in the fire ,just curious , as you said in a previous post?

Or how would you imagine Look Out, in how it means?

Like a citizen oversight sort of thing?

Perhaps some type of empowered embodiement ?

Or perhaps expressed outrage?

[WA98296]

18. Once the control of the houses has been taken back, then ALL of the

elected "democrats" with Republican-leaning tendencies may be on the unemployment line as well, at the next election cycle.
Tran has nothing to do with my opinion on that.

[rhett o rick]

19. So you're willing to sell your soul to get control of the Houses?

Then you will get tough (LOOK OUT)?

I have tried for 6 years to get Sen Cantwell to vote democratic but she won't. Maybe on some issues, but on the biggies she supports the Neocon cabal. She refuses, to this day, to explain her stance on the War. The Neocons have used the War to subvert democracy and she supports the War.

I don't expect her to be progressive, not with accepting all that corporate money, but I would like her to be a democrat. No honest democrat supports the Neocon War.

[WA98296]

23. "Selling my soul"? Because I won't support a woman who could care less

about how she presents herself? I couldn't help but wonder, as I watched her speak, and noticed how she chose to dress, if she's ever visited the U.S. Capitol. Speaking to voters dressed as she was, is a campaign style best left for junior high elections.

Regardless of Tran's sentiments on the war (which are for the most part correct) there is no way in hell that she presents herself as being a serious candidate. There is more to being a United States Senator than having strong opinions on one issue. I know it, she knows it, and likely you know it. I will not vote for a candidate who is not serious merely as punishment to Cantwell. Maria is better than any GOP hack, and I won't throw away a vote on Tran.

Bring me an antiwar candidate that could could stand up against whatever the GOP hurls through a serious ass campaign, one who can go on from there and have enough strength of personality to not get laughed off the floor of the Senate, and while we're at it...one who cares enough to comb her hair. I'll be the first to line up with support. Until then, stuff it with the thinly veiled insults. The way it is right now, Tran doesn't even cut it for a state office -- by her own choice and her own judgment.

[Pierzin]

11. Where are all "Old Deal" Progressives?? Where's Principles??

I am pretty bummed out by the latest responses to this thread. I know that Tran is taking a principled stand, and that is why I will vote for her. It's also a little unpopular, and sure she doesn't speak that well, but she's new at this.
She probably won't win the primary, which is a shame. Because she has a solid background as working person, I think she identifies solidly as a working stiff, and sees through all the corporate MSM BS that's being sold to everybody.
Do we really want another corporatist millionaire back in DC supporting Free Trade(sending jobs overseas)? Do we really want another demagogue supporting a lying, deceiving, conniving and corrupt president in an unjust war which no one globally, supports? Even after it has been proven over and over that this war was unjust, Cantwell still supports this insane war which has inflamed hatred for the USA across the Muslem world.
We need to shed light on domestic issues, which the current leadership is doing a great job of ignoring, trying their best and succeeding at sending us back to 1931.

[Johnyawl]

12. Trang has no principles, she's a self promoting opportunist

From the sunday Seattle Times;

"Before attorney Hong Tran decided to challenge Sen. Maria Cantwell for the Democratic nomination — blasting Cantwell's vote to authorize force in Iraq at every turn — she considered running against Rep. Jim McDermott, a longtime Seattle liberal with strong anti-war views."

She's never held public office, she's never been active in the Democratic party, she's never even been active in the Vietnamese community here in King County. She's a low paid attorney looking to bolster her resume.

Her and Wilson, a couple of real winners.

Well there's always Dixon. That republican lackey will make even those two look good.

[Johnyawl]

13. and this is a flat out lie...

..."Cantwell still supports this insane war "

No, Cantwell doesn't still support this war, she has voted with the Dems demanding a timetable for withdrawal.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

14. The Sunday P.I. Times- A Hearst Paper

I was wondering if my paper was going to get around to some visible coverage of Hong Trang. I really don,t recall what ever happened to my promotion test pointer ribbons ,I would imagine those are somewhere at the buttom of my sea bag-, where ever it is. Most of the heros I knew were simply trying to get threw it day by day. Hero,s one and all.
Let there never be another draft.

However Hong Trang , what do you call, text book -for the poor -the rights of the people and anti war. No money and does not really know anybody.

Sometimes they say it,s not what you know ,but who you know.
So than it will seem she came to know peoples problems, and she may know whats on the minds of a growing majority. Knowing peoples problems is one thing, but knowing people is indeed another altogather.

Lawers seem to have a problem in that you can,t tell them anything because they think they already know.

She understands the American dream, as I see it.
But she does not understand just what one rung at a time means.
Lawers do tend to see and go for oppertunity as the window begins to open.

But here is the thing, one thing prepares one for another, it is a step proceedure, -each step is very important in the build up of experience. Experience is what you bring with you .

Lawers can fool theirselves into thinking they already know. Thats fine, But the experienced shopper knows better than to buy pure bull.

She does not know people, therefore she does not know anything.
She is therefore too green, even for the green party.

And she is also far too scattered of her politics. She completly lacks direction. And in politics sometimes no direction being the best direction does not apply,- as it may riding a bicycle for health reasons.


We can do better than that.

[Johnyawl]

16. The PI is a Hearst paper, the Times is not

not that it changes the facts, that's from her mouth.

[Pierzin]

15. So... When would she like the US out of Iraq?

Can you tell me that? When? Oh let's see, how about in the year 2008, or 2010, or 2012....
:think:

[Johnyawl]

17. She voted FOR the recent Dem proposal to set a timetable for withdrawal

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

20. Lieberman

Is too close to the republicans and Bush. His eighteen years are on the rocks.
Tickled as his campaign people may be about a seeming reduction in Lamont,s lead , Lieberman has to be seriousley looking at running as an independendt.

And the party will support the winner of the primaries. Clinton, senator from New York too is reversing herself.

The reversel ,and this has nothing to do with the Seattle Post Intelligencer , which is my paper of choice, Is a gradual method of backing away from some terrible choices made on the part of some very uninsightful politicans over the years. And Cantwell for one.

You know my opinion of Hong Trang , Toss her out that window of opportunity she is such a player for and down into the deep depths of obscurity.
She has nothing to offer. And is indeed nothing more than an opportunist. Looking for a job, in the deceptive ways lawers use. No money ,no financial supporters, which means nobody who is anybody see,s her as a potiental.Or even of potiental. Hong Trang does not know anything at all really about people. So than she wants to attach herself to party on high, to obtain free and easy experience. There by launching her political self desieres. (opportunist) The easy way around hard work without obtaining experience.Or hay, you can,t tell a lawer anything because they think they already know. It is always better to know, than it is to think that you know. But those that think as lawers just can,t believe IT. Or that there is no substitute for experience. So Hong Trang might ,say how do I get experience if nobody will give it to me , so try and force a win win situation.
Hong Trang, who knows mabe she could end up with a expensive car out of it.

The gradual reversal on the other hand is a much higher level in politics. What is known as the saving of face.


Tomorrow the people speak in Connecticut.
We shall see.

[Pierzin]

22. You are very wise Wash state Desk Jet

And it is very sad that tran did not try to jump start her campaign, try innovative things, ala Howard Dean or whatever. The way Americans are so apathetic about their politics, even as our nation is on the brink of fascism, is very sad indeed.

[Norrin Radd]

24. I was under the impression that running for elected office in this country

was open to all (with the proper number of signatures), even lawyers, not just people already "on high" or with that elusive "experience?"

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

25. Mabe you understand this

There is a place to begin and there are places to strive for .

Hong Trang is without a doubt disoriented about just what is being prepared,- or even ready to become a political representive.
Idealist lawers don,t think they need to have experience,because they think experience is already in their minds, hay, the hell, it all goes down in their minds. They don,t have to go anywhere, or do anything, just get some experienced legal sec., cheap mind you, to look it all up.

She is nothing more than a idealist lawer being nothing more than an opportunist,- playing the cards as the cards fall. She does not know her place in time.

And she sure as hell does not compare to Abe Lincoln ,if you do in fact know what I mean.

She is shooting for the moon ,typical of her type.
Bull shit on that.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

26. If you want to make a difference

Stop wasting good energy bolstering a cheap decetpive method of entry into the political arena by Hong Tang. This lawer is nothing more than an opportunist seeking cheap and free publicity to further her real political aspirations and legal career.

Nothing more than cheap deceptive measures applied routinely by persons of her profession.
She is out more for herself than anything else.

And reach Cantwell threw signatures , in the power of numbers.
It is time to get real.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

27. A smart guy once said to me,

I have all the training , I completed the course,I have my cirtificate of completion. But nobody will hire me unless I have experience, how do I obtain experience if nobody will give me a job? It,s not fair.

As it turned out the man received his training threw the prison system at Edmonds community college and nobody wanted that.

But he was sure it was all very unfair.

And he paid his dept. to society.

He did not know that there is a thing called a step proceedure.
He could not or would not think to find a legitimate place at a lower level to start, such as a proving ground.

He wanted it all to be a givin.
He believed he had already earned his way.

Experience takes time, years and is carefully devloped threw training and of the experience passed forword of those in years to those who show promise and have proven to be worthy.

Cantwell can come around, and she is worthy.

[Norrin Radd]

28. Cantwell had her chance.

I don't care if Tran is an opportunist or inexperienced. I'd rather have someone who isn't a wealthy corporatist who supported this illegal war, the PATRIOT Act, and CAFTA. Cantwell also sends out irrelevant auto-responses to messages from constituents, or doesn't respond at all.

And it would be good to have an Asian-American woman in the senate, as there have only been I think five Asian-American Senators, all men, and four were Senators for Hawaii.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

29. Nonsensical

One must have something to offer.
Trang has nothing to offer.
Why in the world would anybody want to discredit people that do by what you are seemingly saying.

Some people are just exceptional
Thats just the plane truth
Thats what we look for
Not race

We can do better than that.

[Norrin Radd]

30. Nonsensical to you, but not to me.

Cantwell has nothing to offer to me. If Connecticut is allowed to get rid of Lieberman, we should be allowed to attempt to get rid of Cantwell.

And I never said a candidate should be chosen because of race; I said it would be good the diversity.

Can you clarify this statement?

Why in the world would anybody want to discredit people that do by what you are seemingly saying.

I'm having trouble understanding your meaning.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

31. Allowed?

I am not in the business of teaching these days. I am not certain what you may be trying to indicate in your asking, voters being allowed. Nonsessential.

Voters vote, the end result is the peoples choice .

Where it comes down to Lieberman you may be gathering a sense of the mood of the nation, if you do in fact understand how that is, or just how that is. If again you don,t ,than you are fishing,just like Hong Tran. Thing of it is,Wrong time in place.


I cannot and will not answer your questions.

[Norrin Radd]

34. I didn't ask about "allowed."

I was stating that if it's "okay" for voters to vote for a more progressive or liberal candidate in the primary, that they are "allowed" to do so without criticism from fellow Democrats, bloggers, etc, then it should be okay for us to want an alternative to Cantwell, without being harangued. That's the purpose of primaries: a choice.

And I didn't have any questions for you; I was merely trying to clarify what you meant by

Why in the world would anybody want to discredit people that do by what you are seemingly saying.

as I am having difficulty understanding your English syntax (no offense or insult intended).

[eridani]

32. She does have something to offer; she's just naive about--

--electoral politics. Going through the process will teach her what she needs to know, and hopefully she'll learn the lesson and not try to start out statewide next time.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

33. That may be so, However,

Timing is a very important thing in the political arena. And she made some very serious piss poor choices.
She is not quailfied to run for the U.S. Senate or the U.S. congress.Although anybody can.

She is looking for free publicity (as cheaply as can be obtained} and in a piss poor way to gain public recrecondition as cheeply and as inappropriately as she can. LAWER= Oppertunist=Cheap Shot.

Just Say Hell No To Hong Tran.
And Hell No I won,t Go For That.
And Neither Should You.

She does not have the necessary experience to serve the people in any political office what so ever.

[Norrin Radd]

35. Are you saying that all lawyers are opportunists,

and therefore should not run for office? I think that would disqualify many serving in Congress.

And what is the necessary experience, in your estimation? Cantwell may have experience, but all the experience in the world doesn't matter if she isn't representing her constituents by constantly voting with the Republicans. She doesn't "serve the people," as you say.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

36. Just Say Hell No To Hong Tran

Hell No, I won,t go for that.
And Neither Should you.

Hell no Hong Tran - Hell no I won,t go for That. And neither should You.

Experience is earned.
Not a given.

Excuses are what excuses are.
Excuses go nowhere and do nothing
Hong Tran.

To bring in ideas that are new-,good and honest
One must be a player in the game.
Talk it up.

A good player ,plays his or her way up the ladder and has the respect of team mates. Old And New.
The people are the spectators sometimes the ruffs too.
Opinions fly ,go places and things get done.

Just Say Hell No To Hong Tran ,Hell No I Won,t Go For That. And Neither Should You.

[Norrin Radd]

37. Cantwell doesn't necessarily have the respect of her constituents

who are more important than her "teammates."

And what is this ladder of experience? The ladder of wealth and corporatism? Though it's more like an elevator.