Canadian values shifting to the right, poll suggests

[HeresyLives]

Canadian values shifting to the right, poll suggests

Conservatives now ‘own the centre,’ while the left ‘is a very lonely place to be’ in Canada, pollster says


Tonda MacCharles

OTTAWA—The Canadian political “centre” is shifting to the right, a new national poll suggests.

A Harris-Decima survey for the Manning Centre, says Canadians who identify themselves as in the centre of the political ideological scale are increasingly embracing traditionally “conservative” values.


http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/779023--canadian-values-shifting-to-the-right-poll-suggests

[Spazito]

1. ROFL! A poll paid for by the Manning Centre...

finds "Canadian values shifting to the right"! Damn, I bet that wasn't the anticipated result by the rabid right wing Centre that funded the poll, roflmao.

Mission of the Manning Centre (Preston Manning's baby)

Our Mission
To equip the next generation of political leaders, particularly those who share our conservative values, with the ideas, skills, and networks necessary to serve the best interests of Canadians.

http://www.manningcentre.ca/

[daleo]

2. Consider the source

A push poll for Manning, a failed Reform Party leader.

Manning had the uncanny ability to both annoy me and bore me at the same time.

[HeresyLives]

3. Headlines all the same, and that's all most people see.

[daleo]

4. True, that's a big part of the Conservative advantage

A compliant media is very helpful.

[Metric System]

5. Manning was all over TV today pushing this poll.

[Metric System]

6. "the poll says 75% of respondents feel abortion is “morally wrong” and 80% support the traditional

definition of marriage."

I found these specific numbers in a Globe and Mail article on this poll. I really hope these results are bought and paid for, rather than a snapshot of how Canadians actually feel. I feel sick.

[HeresyLives]

7. Harp has 30%. The other parties have 70%

They are just divided, that's all

[Spazito]

8. Big time bought and paid for...

If one takes a look at the numbers and the questions asked in this poll there is NO question this is one hell of a rigged poll, imo. Headings used are "Centrists" and Conservatives, geez:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/28278488/How-Canadians-feel-about-conservative-value

Do scroll through, it is impossible to describe the ridiculousness of it in mere text!

:rofl:

They polled 1000 Canadians, 1000 Canadians (Albertans with a few B.C. nut-cases, lol) registered as members of the Manning Centre no doubt!

:rofl:

[HeresyLives]

9. Angus Reid surveys, paid for and taken online

have their results quoted seriously all the time.

This one will be too.

[Spazito]

10. This poll is preaching to the choir....

those who are already in the Con's corner will go 'Yeah, right on' while those not supportive of the Cons will go 'whatever' while the vast majority of Canadians will be thinking of a myriad of things NOT related to this poll at all.

Canadians, as individuals, know where they stand on the key issues that impact their lives, these poll reports come and go and have very little effect on the average Canadian, it is, in effect, white noise, in the long run regardless if it is the left or right that has paid for the poll.

No voter is going to go into the booth thinking, damn, I have to vote Con because of that poll I remember said Canadians are turning right.

[HeresyLives]

11. It's amazing the effect polls have on people.

An 'urge to conformity' if you will.

[Spazito]

12. Where polls have any effect is during an election...

and even then it is marginal. The kind of polls in your OP are, at best, of passing interest because next week there will be a poll on something else or, if on the same subject, diametrically opposite to this one. This affects Canadians in the same way the various polls on subjects such as climate change do, not at all.

I am in no way being critical of your posting of this poll, just to be clear, I appreciate it but, then again, I am a wonk on this kind of stuff and find it fascinating, most Canadians are not as obsessed as I am with politics and polls.

[HeresyLives]

13. People rely on simple messages.

That's what a poll is...and people like to be on the winning side.

Most Con 'talking points' have only 3-5 words.

Like 'just visiting' or a 'tax on everything' or 'hard working Canadians'

[Spazito]

14. If that were the case, Harper would have had a majority government..

in the last election. The Cons are still in government, a minority government, because the Liberals have yet to find a leader who shows unequivocal leadership. Canadians aren't buying what the Cons are selling but they are also not buying the weak leadership from the Libs ergo fence sitting by Canadians. It is, and will remain as such, imo, the effect of "a pox on both your houses" attitude until either of two things happen; one - the cumulative actions by the Cons ie the prorogation of Parliament, the 'break' Jaffer received, etc, reaches the "enough is enough" level where Canadians 'throw the bums out' or two; the Liberals stop doing the two-step and actually get in the harper cabal's face on all issues big and small. Most likely it will be a combination of one and two that will change the current ennui.

Edited to remove redundancy

[HeresyLives]

15. Cons are keeping Liberals out

because the Libs have no understandable platform...and they do it by simple messaging.

Dion's plan was actually very good...but the voters didn't understand it.

They DID understand 'a tax on everything'.

I'm waiting to see what happens after the Lib Think Tank at the end of the month.

[Spazito]

16. I liked Dion, his heart was in the 'right place' but his leadership abilities...

were lacking. Unless the 'Lib Think Tank' comes out with an aggressive, take no prisoners change of attitude not much will change. As I have posted previously - love him or hate him, Chretien was a take no prisoners leader, an in-your-face attitude, like Trudeau had as well, that Canadians respected even if they didn't like it. Anything less generates a "meh, whatever" response from Canadians.

[HeresyLives]

17. ...were trashed by the Cons & the media.

We don't need bar brawlers...we need people with brains.

[Spazito]

18. Bar brawlers are what we now have in power, we need bar brawlers WITH brains...

we have seen bar brawlers on the one side ergo a minority Con government, brains on the other side ergo ennui. Bar brawlers with brains, ie Chretien and Trudeau, majority government.

[HeresyLives]

19. No, just brains.

Bar brawlers are no way to run a G8 nation in the 21st century.

Harper and his crowd are just left-overs

[Spazito]

20. Disagree, brains alone equals wonks...

we respect wonks but we don't vote for them, we do, however, vote for wonks with the 'killer instinct'. Dion was all brains, no killer instinct, no ability to brawl and, as a result, received a thumbs down by his own party members nevermind the average Canadian.

[HeresyLives]

21. No, brains equal brains.

Wonks are another matter altogether.

[Spazito]

22. LOL and disagree n/t

[glinda]

23. Is this just like the "fake" USA propagandist poles? Canada is getting worked over I noticed.

[Lucy Goosey]

24. The poll was commissioned by a very, very conservative think tank.

Among other things, the group thinks there should be much more religion in our politics.

[HeresyLives]

25. Yes, but it works anyway.

[glinda]

26. THAT is why they do them and then the MEDIA gives it good coverage YET NO MEDIA corrects it.