Muslim men 'think they have God-given right to beat wives', claims female Muslim medic

[emad]

Source: Telegraph

Domestic violence is more common in Muslim households because men think they have a "God-given right" to beat up their wives, according to a leading female Muslim medic.

By Martin Beckford, Religious Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:33PM GMT 07 Nov 2008


Fatima Husain, a consultant in obstetrics and gynaecology, has told how she sees Muslim women coming for treatment with strangle marks around their necks and bruises on their pregnant bumps.

She also claimed that problems develop because many followers of Islam are fearful of discussing sex, contraception and infertility.

Dr Husain, who works at Heatherwood and Wexham Park Hospitals in Berkshire, told the Muslim News that many women ask to be referred to her specialist clinics because she is a hijab-wearing Muslim, allowing her to discover the true scale of domestic violence in her religious community.

She said: "I've seen injuries on some of my patients that I wouldn't dream would happen to pregnant women.


Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/3397490/Muslim-men-think-they-have-God-given-right-to-beat-wives-claims-female-Muslim-medic.html

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Sharia Courts in the UK have recently been given the green light to arbitrate in 'domestic' disputes, separation and divorce litigation, child custody etc matters.

[wiseoldman]

1. Joe The Wifebeater (Plumber) must be a Muslim then! N/T

[PDJane]

2. The Ontario premier

refused to have Sha'aria courts for domestic disputes, and in the process dismantled all religious arbitration.

I think it was the right way to go, although he caught a lot of heat for it at the time.

[marshall]

3. It's happening in Germany too--judges recognizing the Koran's sanction of beating wives

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,473017,00.html

It's an arguable interpretation of the Koran. As Western nations adapt to Muslim immigration it will be a point of debate.

[WriteDown]

5. Its NOT just up for debate...

It is 100% wrong in all circumstances.


edited for being a bonehead and leaving out an important word

[DBoon]

15. When immigrants move to SECULAR countries

they need to learn that the laws of their host country do not care what they think their Gods want them to do

[Marrah_G]

20. That infuriates me- there should be no debate

No one should ever be allowed to beat someone, ESPECIALLY simply because they have a vagina.

[ohio2007]

35. and yet, the debate spreads........ nt

[Scout]

4. it's not just muslim men

lot's of men think that, religious or not.

[emad]

8. marshall's post above refers. Koran has a specific verse that

is widely seen as sanctioning spousal abuse.

[Scout]

10. i understand that. it's still NOT just muslim men who believe

that wife-beating is sanctioned by a "higher authority."

[emad]

11. Agreed.

Not everyone makes a religion out of their vices...

[marshall]

27. They will be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern world

Several hundred years ago Christian nations practiced the "rule of thumb" that allowed a man to beat his wife as long as the stick was no bigger than his thumb. Little by little that went by the wayside--it was tolerated less and less and restricted more and more in its application.

[Gullvann]

29. I think some moderate islamic fundies are moving in that

direction. I saw a video once, where some cleric advocated only beating your wife with a tooth brush.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. the things we do in the name of god is truly immoral. i wonder if god spends all his/her time crying

about it.

if i were god, i would cry at what happens in my name

[RT_Fanatic]

7. If I were God

If I were God (and I think I'd make as good a God as the next person), I'd freaking DO something about it, and immediately emasculate any man who beats his wife. But I don't think God has time for that sort of thing, what with all of that smiting of infidels that needs to be taken care of. But heck, there's no such thing as a god anyway, so what's the point. Just goes to show how f***ed up religion is.

[emad]

9. Humanity has taked God as a hostage and imprisoned Her

in a dungeon of dogma.

[MightyAfrodite]

12. Yeah, well ....

those women better start busting Mohammed's head to the white meat and think about heaven later!!

[cliffordu]

13. So do loads of "Christian" men.

[WriteDown]

14. So that excuses them?

I always wonder as to the purpose of these type of comments.

[cliffordu]

17. Nope. As long as we're including religion in a statement about spousal abuse,

we might as well include them all.

I wouldn't excuse any of the scumsucking chickenshits.

[WriteDown]

18. Last time I checked...

Christianity in no way supports wife abuse and it is not supported in any churches that I know. Of course some Christians do it, but it is in no way promoted.

[cliffordu]

19. And yet abuse is rampant.

The bible DOES support slavery, the stoning of heretics, adulterers.....

As long as we're taking passages from religious texts at random to condemn thuggish behavior we might as well open up the discussion to what's in the bible, too.

Fact is, the dominionist/fundie death cult treats women as little more than chattels, right? Add a burka and we have fundie themepark like Afghanistan.

[WriteDown]

22. Rampant?

Really? Everywhere I go, people are shunned if they are caught doing that. Christianity has abandoned a lot of those barbaric elements. When's the last time you heard of a Christian honor killing? Islam hasn't evolved all that much in many places.

[cliffordu]

25. Oops....

Your bigotry is showing.

"Islam hasn't evolved all that much in many places."

Oddly enough, neither has Fundamentalist Christianity.

From the Wickipedia:

"According to Rushdoony and other Reconstructionists including Gary North and Greg Bahnsen, the idea of dominion drawn from Genesis 1:28 implied a theonomy ("rule of the law of God"), in which observation of their own strict form of Christianity would be required of all citizens, and moral sins ranging from blasphemy to homosexuality would be punishable by death......"

SO: stop trying to polish the turd of Fundamentalism or turn it into something other than the blasphemous evil swill it really is.



And this from http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html

"Capital Punishment
Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage."

But yeah, you're right - beating women is off limits.

[WriteDown]

32. Not sure what Wi"c"kopedia is but..

are these views supported and acted upon? No. I had an honor killing right down the road in Los Colinas(Dallas). Two beautiful girls cut down in their youth for of all things, dating. And the father fled to his home country where he is safe. You'd be hard pressed to find a Christian equivalent here.

[cliffordu]

33. And yet you have fundies praying for the killing of their enemies.....

so it's a matter of time...

And who blows up the women's health clinics? Who was Tim Mcvey??

Didn't Jesus say that a man with lust in his heart had already committed the crime??

Defend the Dominionists all you want and don't forget to attend the father/daughter abstinence ceremony.

Honor killing is just another name for murder due to religious fundamentalism, and every dominionist who wants to

take us back to the 14th century needs to fuck the fuck right off.

You can ding me on spelling all you want to, but it won't cover up the fact that dominionism is as fascist and

destructive as the Taliban.

[Gullvann]

26. I consider myself a Christian. but

I think the world would have been better off if the Bible consisted of two pages.

Page one:

Love thy God and love thy neighbour like yourself.

Page two:

Treat others the way you would like to be treated yourself.


Cheers.

[cliffordu]

28. That's exactly right.

And I'm not talking about all Christians. Just Dominionists and Fundies that would set up the American Taliban if they could.

[curse of greyface]

31. Yes and they go to jail... not released because of religious dogma. nt

[customerserviceguy]

16. Muslim women can start

by getting rid of the shroud that covers what hubby did to them. You can't free your body until you free your mind.

[Mari333]

23. agreed. n/t

[Ferret Annica]

21. I don't care if they think if a cultural and religious entitlement

Violence is the wrong way to build a relationship between two human beings, no ifs ands or buts about it.

This is a line in the sand no one should cross.

[TygrBright]

24. Perhaps what is needed is to translate the story of Lorena Bobbitt into arabic....

...and distribute it widely among Muslim women in such communities?

helpfully,
Bright

[uppityperson]

30. "many followers of Islam", violence and fundamentalism are wrong, of any religion.

[ohio2007]

34. Well it can't happen here. We have laws. nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

36. According to the Koran, they do.

I fully agree with her that wife-beating is wrong; however, believing this, I don't understand why she chooses to remain a cleric of a religion whose holy book explicitly encourages it.

[emad]

37. God is a hostage to patriarchal dogma.

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