UK Parties: The UK Independence Party

[T_i_B]

A thread about the party that exists to get Britain out of the EU

http://www.independenceuk.org.uk/

And this UKIP MEP is just priceless is he not?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3912205.stm

Godfrey Bloom was given a seat on the European Parliament's women's rights committee on Tuesday.

But he told the media: "No self-respecting small businessman with a brain in the right place would ever employ a lady of child-bearing age."

Mr Bloom, an investment fund manager from York, told journalists he wanted to deal with women's issues because: "I just don't think they clean behind the fridge enough".

"I am here to represent Yorkshire women who always have dinner on the table when you get home. I am going to promote men's rights," he added.

[ukrespect]

1. UKIP - Surely the ultra right wing BNP in suits?

Not forgetting UKIP's "celebrity" candiate Robert Kilrot Silk. Sacked from his TV chat show and newspaper column for making racist remarks against muslims. A truely single issue party with very right wing tendancies but dressed up in suits to appeal to middle England IMO.

[newyawker99]

2. Hi ukrespect!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[non sociopath skin]

3. Absolutely, ukrespect

But with rather more credibility than the BNP Nazis in right-wing Tory circles.

I think we need to beware of attempts to make reactionary assholes like Godfrey Bloom into amusing "TV eccentrics" a la Patrick Moore. These guys are elected, armed, ignorant and dangerous.

The Skin

[T_i_B]

5. The Oswald Moseley effect

But with rather more credibility than the BNP Nazis in right-wing Tory circles.

The reason for this is rather simple. The BNP arose of of the British Union of Facists run by Oswald Moseley. That puts right wing types off as they don't want to be associated with traitors.

You can probbably guess why the BNP are not getting a thread out of me. They simply do not deserve it. And we haven't even got round to the UKIP's main policy of withdrawal from the EU yet!

[D-Notice]

6. What do you expect?

As we all know that EU is just a mish-mash of red-tape & bureaucratic mumbo-jumbo! ;-)

Bloody Johnny Foreigners!

[limeyrose]

4. UKIP - BNP in suits?

Or the English wing of the Republicans? Not British wing - despite the party name they seldom make reference to other than England. Again like geographically ill-informed Republicans.

[T_i_B]

7. Given the UKIP's success in Hartlepool

I thought that it might be a pertinent time to kick this thread with an article from the BBC website. That Kilroy-Silk does seem to be getting a tad carried away with himself IMHO but nonetheless, make of this what you will.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3711092.stm

Robert Kilroy-Silk has confirmed he wants to be the leader of UKIP but says there is no mechanism for him to run against current leader Roger Knapman. The MEP told the BBC's Breakfast with Frost programme he believed he had the support of every senior member of UKIP.

Explaining how the party's unexpected gains in June had changed his plans, Mr Kilroy-Silk said: "But then of course he got a massive election result and probably he liked the size of his new train set." But Mr Knapman said: "It is not within my grasp to come to such a deal and indeed such a deal was never come to or even discussed."

UKIP, which favours withdrawal from the EU, has just reversed its position on not standing against eurosceptic Tory MPs at its party conference in Bristol.

Mr Kilroy-Silk told the conference there must be no deal between UKIP and the Tories. He said: "The Conservative Party is dying. Why would you want to give it the kiss of life? What we have to do is kill it."

[Taxloss]

11. I wouldn't call coming third a success.

It's a terrible result. The point was, it was far, far, worse for the Tories.

[T_i_B]

12. For a fringe party like the UKIP...

...coming third in a parliamentary by-election does count as success.

We on DU may perhaps consider it fortunate with regard to the UKIP but it is not really possible for a fringe party to simply start winning elections overnight with our electoral system.

But yes, the main story in Hartlepool was undoubtedly the collapse of the Tories.

[Pert_UK]

8. I heard an interview with Bloom after he made these comments....

He claimed that the "fridge" and "cleaning" remarks were just a joke.....To be honest, I do kinda believe him but consider that he must be the world's most politically naive man to have made them.

Regarding the employment of women of "childbearing age".......Again, he phrased it very, very badly, but he does in fact have a very good point that I agree with.

His point (if you believe him) is that some of the legislation brought in to improve working conditions and the chance of employment for young women has, in fact, had quite the opposite effect.

His quip about small businessmen was poorly explained but accurate. If someone (whether male or female) runs a small business with 3 or 4 staff then staff performance, training and costs will form a large percentage of their overall costs and liabilities. Legislation brought in means that women who become pregnant are entitled to paid maternity leave & the right to return to work once they've had the baby (if they want to). This rightly protects the rights and interests of the mother and child. The problem that Bloom is highlighting is that the small businessman cannot afford to take on somebody who will then disappear on paid leave (requiring an untrained replacement) and who may or may not return to work.

I agree that this is a bad way of looking at the world, but he's essentially pointing out is that there's no point in protecting someone's employment conditions to the extent that it's not viable to employ them.

[non sociopath skin]

9. Quite a fun piece on the Baggy Suited Ones by Tania Gold ..

... in today's Guardian, although I personally find her conclusion about the UKIPers being more "real" than New Labour a trifle disingenuous. Bottom line, these are truly stinky-poo people.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Politics/otherparties/story/0,9061,1319874,00.html

Not a good week for them. First Silkman creeps them out and makes a takeover bid (though, in spite of myself, I rather enjoyed his "Bigger trainset" remark - the mental image was spot on and was a neat indicator of what he REALLY thinks of the mindset of his new comrades) then Paul the Syko pulls the plug on their funds because they're shifting the power from his other train set!!

What a joy it is to see the right at each other's throats. Now all we need is a credible party of the left ...

The Skin

[LeftishBrit]

10. I think UKIP are using 'Euro-scepticism' as a cover for racism

I think that if UKIP were genuinely concerned about UK independence, then they would be at least as concerned at this point about our becoming Bush's "fifty-first state" as about the EU. The fact that they are not, indicates that their Euro-scepticism really masks uglier concerns; i.e. about immigration, especially from Eastern Europaean countries.

Alas, many people here do seem to have been brainwashed by some parts of the media to think that immigration is one of our biggest problems. I wonder what could be done to counteract this.

[non sociopath skin]

13. Far from rejecting the "51st" state idea...

... the loopier of the BritFreepers see it as a desirable alternative - literally. Hence the "anglosphere" concept pushed by wacko bloggers like Stephen Lewis on this site

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/sterlingtimes/vpost?id=1411

Some strange anomalies in their "thinking" - Israel is seen as an honorary member (although Lewis's anti-semitic buddies disagree)because of its tough anti-muslim line but Canada - which Lewis regrets is now a "Socialist" country - is out of the loop.

Funny how modest the "respectable" right are about the fact that they wish to exchange partnership in Europe (whatever its faults) for satellite status in a Greater American Co-Prosperity Sphere.

The Skin

[baby_mouse]

14. RL contact

with actual immigrants, I fear, which would be a long term process.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

15. Ukip Chiefs Order Kilroy to Toe the Line

UK Independence Party MEP Robert Kilroy-Silk today rejected calls for silence from his party’s leadership.

Ukip’s leader Roger Knapman told the former chat-show host to end his public criticism, following a straw poll of 162 branch chairmen which found that a clear majority did not want Mr Kilroy-Silk to take his place.

The party’s senior figures today wrote to Mr Kilroy-Silk with a barely-veiled threat to throw him out if he does not toe the line.

But the East Midlands MEP – who has openly demanded the leadership – dismissed the poll as “farcical”, alleging that activists had been subjected to “moral blackmail and emotional pressure not to rock the boat”.

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3650585

Dontcha just love this!

[LibLabUK]

16. Kilroy was interviewed by John Snow...

on Channel 4 News last night. How can anyone take that man seriously?

He ended up shouting down Snow and refusing to accept the straw poll conducted by the UKIP leadership.

I think he may well split UKIP (Continuity UKIP and The Real UKIP?).

[Guy_Montag]

17. That's the thing about parties on the extremes,

they tend to tear themselves apart.

Unfortunately I fear that Kilroy is more charismatic in a sort of orange way, than whoever is currently their leader.

just my thoughts

[T_i_B]

18. UK Parties: Veritas

Or "Vainitas" as UKIP loyalists call it. Just thought I might as well put the link for Kilroy-Silk's new party here as it is a UKIP breakaway party and it's being launched today apparently.

http://www.veritasparty.com/

[non sociopath skin]

19. OMG! I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I know. I'll laugh.

THREE pages of the thoughts of Chairman Kiljoy-Slick. Priceless!!!!

The Sniggerin' Skin

[T_i_B]

20. UK General Election Kick

:kick:

Does anyone know which constituency Kilroy will actually be standing in? Just so I know where to avoid.

[tjwmason]

21. He was talking about running against Geoff Hoon

Who sits for somewhere in the midlands I think.

I have a marvellous M.P.3 downloaded about Veritas (I cannot remember where I got it unfortunately); it has as its chorus "Veritas, Veritas, the party for the vain and crass" which I think is a fair summation of Kilroy-Silk.

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. Erewash, Derbyshire

http://www.politics.co.uk/election-2005/kilroy-silk-contest-erewash-seat-$7724249.htm

last election Liz Blackman, Labour, 49%; Con 35%