Can the Daily Hate get any lower

[TheBigotBasher]

The whole right wing attack machine descends on a 16 year old boy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042623/Rory-Weal-Child-star-Labour-conference-truth-life-poverty.html

Mail logic, because you start out with everything you still have it when you lose it all, after all look at Archer.

[non sociopath skin]

1. Of course it can. We ain't seen nuthin' yet.

Once Cameron and Clegg have destroyed the BBC, this will be the nearest thing to mass-circulation "news" we get.

The Skin

[LeftishBrit]

2. They can *always* get lower.

The essence of viciousness. I hope they go the way of the News of the Screws, but I'm not holding my breath.

[TheBigotBasher]

3. I would lay a bet that they are just as guilty

[T_i_B]

4. My first thought was...are they really that paranoid?

But then I realized that this is the Daily Fail, who cannot tolerate any devation from the Daily Fail party line from anyone whatsoever.

You'd think that a teenage political nerd in the style of William Hague would be of no consequence to the Daily Fail as it is of very little interest to everyone else but alas the Daily Fail stasi cannot abide even that.

[tjwmason]

5. Playing the man not the ball

Note that they never dispute the veracity of what he said.

Horrid horrid horrid rag - I fear in answer to the original question, I doubt not that they'll find some way to descend even lower than this.

[LeftishBrit]

6. The vile Cristina Odone had an entire article about him on her Torygraph blog

In her case, all about: 'Whether Master Weal was wittingly or unwittingly concealing his Grammar school education we'll never know. But he should learn that the party he champions would shut the door of opportunity on people like him.' She is such a personally nasty writer that she puts me off even on the rare occasions when I agree with her about something - e.g. being pro-vaccination.

But the Daily Mail is of course even nastier!

I had been prepared for the right-wing press using the Labour Party Conference as a basis for making even more vicious attacks than usual on Miliband and Balls, but somehow I had not expected this obsession with some unfortunate kid, whom frankly no one but serious Labour Party activists would have even heard of, if not for the Rottweiler squad's attacks.

And all this is not only nasty to the individuals involved, but is ultimately a threat to democracy. It means that only very thick-skinned people will go in for political careers - and very thick-skinned people may not always be the best on things like empathy and concern for others. Worse, it intimidates ordinary citizens from getting involved in the political process, and speaking out on things that matter to them. A real democracy is not only defined by fair elections, but by the right of *anyone* to speak out as a private citizen - yes, even bumptious young political activists; yes, even young William Hague in the 70s. The powerful press barons and their attack dogs are using their 'freedom of the press' to suppress freedom of speech by others. It is not only the police and legal system that can suppress people; many people would be less deterred from speaking out by a fine or even a short prison sentence, than by being vilified to the whole world by the Rottweiler Right. Like 'cyberbullying' taken to the n'th power, with all the budget and resources that the press barons possess.

[dipsydoodle]

7. "The day that he told them

those little white lies" may well come back to haunt him one day if he does go into poitics.

[Dutch]

8. He didn't tell any lies.

But no, doubtless that won't stop your friends in the gutter press from trying to destroy his career before it even starts.

[dipsydoodle]

9. He spun the "truth" into a fairytale

and in doing made Morribund Minor look stupid. I hoping his career won't start - this will always come back to bite him.

[TheBigotBasher]

10. Please state which lies?

[dipsydoodle]

12. I said "he spun the truth"

Check out the house he lives in.

[LeftishBrit]

22. If you and similar thinkers believe the tabloid press are justified in their viciousness...

and should have the right to hound people out of politics, then I daresay you'll get the political leaders you deserve.

Unfortunately, the rest of us will get them too,

[T_i_B]

11. Just a wee reminder of the Daily Fail's compulsive lying

Amanda Knox won her appeal, but the Daily Fail reports it as Knox being found guilty, complete with made up quotes. Just so you know how trustworthy the gobshites newspaper of choice really is.

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-daily-mail-jumps-the-gun-on-knox-verdict-with-embarrassing-results/

The internet makes it possible to broadcast breaking news at a pace unlike anything we’ve ever experienced. Unfortunately, that includes the ability to rapidly transmit reports that never should have been written, much less published. Today’s case in point: the Daily Mail‘s hasty—and largely apocryphal—report that American Amanda Knox had lost her appeal of a murder conviction, quickly captured for posterity by Malcolm Coles.

The Mail Online not only mistook the Italian court’s guilty verdict for slander as guilty of everything, it posted a story under the byline Nick Pisa purporting to detail the return journey of Knox and her ex-boyfriend to separate prisons where they would be put on suicide watch. The story also quotes “delighted” prosecutors who said “justice has been done.”

We’ve seen stories posted in error before, particularly when advances written and stored to hop on the news are published when they shouldn’t have been. But the invented details here are beyond anything I can recall—and makes anything else the Mail Online has to say on this subject suspect.

[dipsydoodle]

13. I've not bothered to read that

but the fact the remains the prosecution can still pursue the 3rd appeal at Italy's Supreme CXourt in Rome. It would obviously be her choice whether or not she attended it.

[T_i_B]

14. Well try reading before you f**king reply!

Knox was cleared on appeal and no amount of sophistry on your point can change the fact that she was cleared on apppeal and yet your beloved Daily Fail still reported that she had been found guilty on appeal. And what makes it even worse is that we have clear evidence of the Daily Mail's use of invented eyewitness accounts.

http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/2011/10/03/invented-eyewitness-accounts/

If you want to carry on pretending that the Daily Mail is not lying about this then that's your problem.

[dipsydoodle]

17. All newspapers would've drafted both outcomes.

That's the only way they could get the papers to press in time bearing in mind distribution deadlines. That's not an excuse for The Mail - just a fact of life. That's why I didn't bother reading it aside from which the link didn't open for me.

[T_i_B]

19. So you approve of the Daily Fail inventing detail then.

Says everything we need to know about your own integrity.

[dipsydoodle]

20. The only valid link at present

given that your one don't work for the time being is this one : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

What's the issue with that ?

[T_i_B]

21. So you choose to ignore Non_Sociopath_Skin's post.

Look at all the links with screenshots and then kindly take your head out of Paul Dacre's arse.

[LeftishBrit]

23. No doubt it happens - the most noted historical example being 'Dewey Defeats Truman'...

but not all papers invent all sorts of false quotes and 'human interest' detail to accompany it.

Also, there's a difference between preparing two versions, and actually publishing the wrong one, even if briefly.

[non sociopath skin]

15. Unfortunately the link doesn't work ....

... but these do. All with screen grabs of the Mail's booboo.

http://whatculture.com/news/daily-mail-announce-amanda-knox-as-guilty-in-appeal.php

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/amanda-knox-verdict-daily-mail-243191

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/03/amanda-knox-verdict-daily-mail-publishes-erroneous-story_n_993010.html

Hope Dipsy doesn't get too upset by the overkill. Maybe someone could find him some knocking copy about the Guardian or the Labour Party by way of balance?

The Skin

[T_i_B]

16. Alas the Grauniad is reporting the actual verdict, not just making shit up!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/03/amanda-knox-raffaele-sollecito-cleared-murder

[dipsydoodle]

18. That's because

in the case of The Guardian you've yet to find their alternative headline. :sarcasm:

I see also I wasn't the only person who couldn't open your link.

[Ken Burch]

24. As a side note, that picture of the young William Hague was beyond creepy

With the right makeup, Hague could have become an upper class version of one of the "Droogs" in A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.

Which is fitting, since Tories always have liked "a bit of the old ultraviolence".

[oldironside]

25. They're not totally averse...

... to the old in and out either.



(apologies to LeftishBrit, who is likely to come after me with a pair of garden shears for ruining her lunch)

(Edited to take account of my own incompetence and or confusion)

[Ken Burch]

26. The real question with THAT relationship is

During foreplay, did she lovingly pull his dress shirt out from the undershorts he'd tucked it into?

[oldironside]

27. My big question is...

... how can anyone who is so anti-intervention and totally in favour of self reliance actually fuck? Their political creed should limit them entirely to masturbation. See? They are a bunch of tossers.

[Ken Burch]

29. My guess is that whips and chains come into it.

And sweet memories of being birched by Matron back at school.

They could even be said to have...wait for it...a "culture of dependency" about it all.

[LeftishBrit]

28. Not the garden shears - just THIS

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-46472.html

As you are a current resident in Germany, I thought you might like a few mementoes of Maggie's visit. Anything to do with her always seemed to make Kohl look as though he'd eaten something that disagreed with him. I don't blame him!

[Ken Burch]

30. Actually, I wish she'd kept up her opposition to German reunification

We'd all be better off if there were two small, non-nuclear Germanies with left-of-center politics. It would have been both a wonderful accident and a hysterically funny historical joke of the Iron Lady had actually caused THAT to happen.

[LeftishBrit]

31. It's anyone's guess whether that would have happened...

at any rate, as 21st century countries go (which isn't a high standard), Germany has been one of the more reasonable.

What I do wish is that Reaagan, Thatcher et al had been more pro-Gorbachev and his modernization approach, rather than insisting on such a fast rush to the free market. Eastern Europe would have been better off IMO.

[ikri]

32. If you haven't already

It's worth reading Naomi Klein's book The Shock Doctrine. She devotes a portion of the book to the fall of the Soviet Union and the role of the Friedmanite nutters who took advantage of the chaos.

Reagan and Thatcher were both Friedman devotees so it would have been unlikely that they would have ever allowed Gorbachev to follow through with his ideas for moving to a social democratic system like Russia's Scandinavian neighbours.

[Ken Burch]

34. Absolutely agreed

And Clinton, Major and Blair made it even worse by regularly forcing the Yeltsin regime to subordinate itself to the IMF and otherwise make it clear that Russia was no longer equal to the U.S. in stature. They did unto post-Soviet Russia as the World War I allies did unto Weimar Germany.

[dipsydoodle]

33. Much much lower it would appear

I picked up somewhere in here http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/oct/06/leveson-inquiry-phone-hacking-live that the Mail apparently has the media's world's second highest online readership after the NYT. Wasn't sure whether or not to believe that but searchec and it looks to be true. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378674/MailOnline-2nd-largest-English-speaking-newspaper-site-world.html

From second yes they can really only go down.

[LeftishBrit]

35. As so often, the best comment comes from Newsbiscuit

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2011/10/07/daily-mail-written-entirely-by-illegal-immigrants/