new Bloggermann entry - Dec 1

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http://www.bloggermann.com/

More than one kind of black box

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. That sounds reasonable enough.

Bev? Andy?

[mikeylove]

2. he's got a pretty good point. n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

6. I always wondered about those tapes

If you have that kind of evidence you have to get it to reliable media ASAP.
Keith is covering his bases and hes right to.

Bev should break out those tapes before this snowballs even more

[mikeylove]

51. daily updates.

Yep. We need daily updates and video releases. The MSM needs to be bombarded with video footage of all of the nastiness going down. It's a lot harder to poopoo that.

I'd be willing to bet that there's no shortage of willing and able people to encode & make video available for download.

[Timebound]

3. I'm beginning to agree.

If she has found all this 'evidence', then why won't she let Olbermann show it? It would TURN HEADS. It'd have to.

[intheflow]

8. There might be a legal reason she isn't showing the footage.

If it's what she plans to introduce as evidence in a trial or before the SC.

This does seem a litle obnoxious, but she may have had reason to believe that if she didn't confront LePore in a very public manner some other evidence might "disappear." But that's complete conjecture on my part.

[ClassWarrior]

14. Well, Bev and Andy are a part of our community, and have always been...

...upfront with us before, as far as I can see. Soooo...

Bev? Andy? What's the scoop?

NGU.

[proudtobeadem]

96. Has anyone asked her why she hasn't shown the tapes? And when does

she plan to?

[Pirate Smile]

4. Good points, Keith. Time is ticking away. tic toc tic toc ...

I'm glad he clued the rest of us in on this part of the story.

edit to include some his comments:

-snip-
Each and every day since our coverage of all this began on November 8, I have received a set of emails, some times a few, some times many, asking “Why don’t you have Bev Harris on Countdown?,” “Why don’t you run the Bev Harris videotapes?,” “Why don’t you show the voting tapes Bev Harris found discarded in the trash in Florida?”

Because she won’t let us.

I have not dealt with Ms. Harris directly, but my staff has, and though we have asked her on a regular basis to let us show these tapes on national television, she has declined.

-snip-

The usefulness of that videotape to the immediate issue at hand - were there widespread failures of the electronic voting systems in this country on November 2nd, and if so, were those failures enabledby any malfeasance - has an expiration date. If they show irregularities, if they show public servants at their worst, even if they’re guerrilla-style political confrontations, they have a public value - an urgent one.

Have you seen them?"

[jsamuel]

5. I agree too... If she will not produce those tapes on purpose, that is bad

[Zeebo]

7. What do the Bev supporters say to KO comments???? n/t

[anamandujano]

20. good points

especially about the expiration date. She could show her evidence to keith so he could speak for her without hedging. We now know that he wants her on the show and that she has cancelled at least once.

--go Jessie go--

[Verve]

9. Please Bev and Andy go on the show with your tapes!

Even though you hate mainstream media you need to get your excellent work out to the public! Don't let all your work go to waste! The time is now! Get those tapes out there before they become historical archives! Pleeeeeeze!

Thanks for all your hard work! :hi:

[texpatriot2004]

10. BBV should be a major campaign, but the way they run it

it won't be. They have failed to plug into the public interest and the would be manpower willing to help. Bev, Andy and Kathleen haven't done a good job of managing their website and their followers. In fact, it's been quite a poor effort since they became widely known. The website was under attack but even still, they have not done enough to manage their public relations. It leaves those of us who are trying to support them and their efforts frustrated and ineffectual. I won't even refer anybody to their site because it's full of cobwebs. It's too bad that they have such an important issue and a would be campaign but they are smothering it. I know they are working hard. I personally liked them barging into the LaPore luncheon (or whatever it was). Yet they are failing by not cooperating with their supporters and apparently the press. I am disgusted by it. I would so like to be doing something for their cause. I tried to plug into their website and volunteer...it was a waste of time. I hope they will come to their senses and let others in to help them. Unfortuanately, I think Keith has a point here. They must use the sense of urgency. They must speak to these issues while they are relevant and fresh in the minds of voters. Time is of the essence.

I feel this way, and I am a fan of theirs. :(

[Pachamama]

106. Completely agree with all you just said...I've had the same experiences

& feel the same way....

Here is a post I left earlier...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=101926&mesg_id=102112&page=

[texpatriot2004]

117. Yeah, so you know what I mean then. I read your post

The "too busy" thing is a tired excuse. The website is not effective. I would not refer anyone to it because it's a poor tool for the cause. I know many people have tried to offer them help but they haven't made use of the manpower. Votergate.TV is great but as far as I know there is only thatsame 30 minute clip - and that's all there has been for 3-4 weeks now. And why would she say go there to your suggestion? We can't keep the issue alive with month old info.

[Patsy Stone]

11. Wow I think I said all of that!

On about 4000 different posts. Go read 'em.
Right down to him saying, in a not so subtle way, "Cut out the stunts, and show yourself!"

I gotta say, for the millionth time, I love this man.

[Karenca]

35. I love Keith

too,
and the fact that he made that Blog shows me that he is speaking to us, and that he cares about our feelings.
I believe he is our MSM friend, and we're very lucky to have him on our side.

[Patsy Stone]

46. go read #32

You and me are also psychic.

[Karenca]

75. I thought about that myself :)) nt

[SueZhope]

12. Oh my god

I remember her saying at some point some were that she was scheduled to be on some shows and that they always canceled on her that there was a media lock down
and they did not really want her to be talking about this

Gosh I would love to get to the truth, its hard to know what or who to believe if what Keith is saying is true then bev is saying the opposite

why would she not want to show the tapes....???
now is the time
YIKES!!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

36. That's right. SHE said there was a "media lockdown"

I have had 2nd thoughts about her since she came on here a few weeks ago threatening to sue if we didn't stop using the name "BBV Cleanup project".

[Stand and Fight]

64. Whoa...

She said that? That is cause for concern. But maybe she was just kidding? Sarcasm is awfully hard to follow on here, as I am sure we can all attest to, friends.

[Kelvin Mace]

97. Nope!

she was quite serious.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[AntiFascist]

43. Bev needs to post a response to this on DU....

she posts questions and feedback here quite a bit, now she needs to respond to this. I'm sure she would sell more books and become much more popular if she would appear on the news shows.

[Niche]

72. BBV checks in with Air America EVERY OTHER DAY!

SHE'S DOING SOMETHING ABOUT VOTING! Thanks for the doubt guys! I buy bbv more than i buy this thread...

[AmyCrat]

13. This is what I mean... JEEZ!

She's got an invitation to appear on KO, one of the only MSM shows covering the whole fraud thing, and she doesn't MAKE that happen??? Sorry, but I say WTF?? You go, or you send someone in your place, but you do what it takes to get in the main stream media without acting like a fool in interrupting someones retirement reception.

And what's going to happen on DU if/when Bev or BBV says "we were never invited, he's lying". THEN who are we going to believe?

Ya know what? This royally sucks.

[New Earth]

15. i totally see his point now

and he is definately not trying to discredit the whole election/recount/fraud like some thought he was earlier tonight.

He is obviously THAT eager to have it seen in a more positive light - not having 'dramatic' events like what happened in Palm Beach County making it all look like a joke.

He's actually trying to help the whole situation, not hurt it.

[AmyCrat]

17. I agree! n/t

[Carolab]

18. As I understood it

Bev warned Countdown she'd be using the "F" word and they didn't want that. So maybe they are okay with that now and she can appear and use it?

Has anyone asked her or sent her a message to look at Keith's blog today?

[loritooker]

50. Hey Carolab, I don't know Bev but I sent her an email

I told her about KO's blog, that she should read it, asked if she could talk to DU...hope I wasn't out of line. We don't know each other or anything. It just seems like an awful lot of people here have already made up their minds. I hope she responds.

[demobabe]

62. They've been using the term "Voter Fraud" frequently on Countdown

So I'm not sure about the "F" word ban... they showed footage of Bev Harris today on Countdown, and basically reiterated what was in the Orlando Sentinel article and termed her fodder for tin-foil hatters.

[Stand and Fight]

33. I wholeheartedly agree, Faye.

I think you summed up exactly what I was thinking and feeling in the most diplomatic manner possible. Thank you!

[Terre]

16. TERRIFIC blog . . .

with an EXCELLENT point. He's so straight forward, and refreshing - I love his show.


So, it looks like the cat's out of the bag now? Wonder how Bev will reply to that commentary.

[loritooker]

19. Bev has said she tried to show the tapes to CNN last week

but they weren't interested. She has said she was scheduled to be on KO's show but told them she would use the "F" word (fraud) so they cancelled her. She has said that she offered her expertise to the Kerry camp and they refused, sometimes wouldn't even take BBV's calls. She has said that lately they've been asking for help but she'd been a little rude to them, calling it, I think I remember, "too little too late". Maybe she's just sick of the way she's been treated. You know guys, she's not a media professional. She doesn't have handlers or an agent. Want to chip in an hire somebody to polish her image? I still think she's legit. How would any of us feel in her place? I wish there was some buffer between her group and all the sharks, but there isn't. Does anyone have any suggestions?

[ClassWarrior]

26. But she IS a media professional. She's a PR person by trade.

I mean, what's important here? Hurt feelings or our frickin democracy??

NGU.

[loritooker]

34. I didn't know that--I've heard her described as a computer programmer

Do you know her background creds?

[ClassWarrior]

55. She herself will admit that she's no tech professional.

Everything she knows about the computer aspect of BBV, from what I understand, she taught herself because of her deep concerns about the potential for tampering. She actually owns a PR agency in Seattle called Talion, I believe.

NGU.

[Kelvin Mace]

99. Uh, no

What she knows was taught to her by myself, Roxanne Jekot and about a half-dozen other programmers she no longer speaks to.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Joy Anne]

107. What a great blog!

I'm thinking of answering some idiot letters to the editor there.

[Kelvin Mace]

116. Why thank you,

we do try our best

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Kelvin Mace]

98. Computer programmer? Hardly

She's PR.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[anamandujano]

31. She IS a media professional

and now she's got an engraved invitation to spill the beans on msm tv.

--go Jessie go--

[bunny planet]

47. JJ said the fraud word last night on KO after he was asked the question

'Do you think there was fraud in this election?' So why would KO tell Bev she could not say the F word? She seems very dedicated, but very eccentric to me. She seemed reasonable enough in the Votergate short though. It would certainly be great if she could be more professional in her presentation of the information she has gathered or at least in explaining why she hasn't made the tapes public. The website is really unprofessional, it's actually kooky looking. Has someone offered to help her with it? Anyway, I just wrote to KO, thanking him again as I do everynight. I told him I appreciated what he was doing and to trust his instincts on telling the story. He seemed genuinely troubled in his blog about Bev tonight.

[Patsy Stone]

70. That was then, this is now

On night #1, no one was gonna say fraud. Hell, I myself had just stopped vomiting from the shock of the whole damned thing.

Now that the F word is out there, and people are starting to listen, she can say Fraud 'til the cows come home.

I think they cancelled because she wanted to say it, and couldn't prove it. He explained he wanted to keep it mainstream -- you can't just start in 5th gear. That led her to believe there was "lockdown." That's because she's a little dramatic, to say the least. Now, he's telling her to come on and scream it, and bring your video, too.

She needs to get her ass to Secaucus. Pronto.

I felt his exasperation with the situation and, maybe, with us. That made me sad.

[MRKARNO]

21. I don't think she's helped

I think Cobb and Badnarik have done the most to advance the cause of limitng voter fraud with their numerous recount requests, but I don't get what Bev is even doing. She hasn't come up with any significant stuff in a while anyways.

[Pooka Fey]

22. KO is the only MSM reporter who is taking this seriously.

I think that was an extremely reasonable editorial. I'm confused. Don't we want this covered? Bev? I sent you money out of my extremely meager & limited funds, so I have to ask, WTF?

[dmac]

27. Amen to that!

I am still relatively new to this game but I have sent substantial $$ to BBV - and I have read many others have as well. Sorry but Ms Harris forfeits her artistic license to do as she pleases when it is other peoples' $$ on the line. And what is worse than losing the money? I am afraid this kind of shenanigans could cause us to lose the game......

[Clark2008]

87. Very reasonable

Keith is using his Moral Force.

[DubyaSux]

23. I've been biting my tongue...

....because I'm as depressed about the election as everybody else, but Bev Harris is playing a lot of people for fools. And making lots of money doing it.

You might not be aware, but she has never ever found one shred of concrete evidence of voter fraud. Lots of supposition, innuendo, and hype, but at the end of the day - nothing. Eve most of her former allies are her enemy now.

But lately, I wanted to say something but figured I'd get banned for "flamebaiting" or whatever that is. Bev Harris comes on here and drops a news flash, stirs the pot, and disappears. But people flock to her website to donate their hard-earned money.

What have you gotten in return?

Nothing. She has nothing and never had anything. Keith called her on it tonight and she choked. She says she'll release stuff when the time is right, but wouldn't that be now? The mainstream media has opened the doors wide for her and she folded.

At this point in time, she has a solution in search of a problem. Half of DU appears to be active in discovering the problem, but so far have had no luck. They are doing her work for her while she recieves donations, flys off to distant locations, and grandstands.

If she were just a simple blowhard, I wouldn't be quite as bothered. But my new DU friends are sending her large sums of cash. That bothers me a great deal.

It's crunch time Ms. Harris. The world is calling your hand. It's time to put up or shut up.

[AmyCrat]

37. Well said! (n/t)

[anamandujano]

41. not fair

She has delivered. There's just one more step.

[crispini]

45. Here are my thoughts on this.

Ever since I became aware that there was a BlackBoxVoting.ORG, and a BlackBoxVoting.COM, both very LOUDLY saying that they had nothing to do with each other, my little warning meter went off.

I have a lot of experience as an activist in various political and charitable organizations. One of the things I have noticed is that these kinds of "divorces" only happen when EGO gets involved. Activists are hot-headed, passionate people, who care a great deal and have loud public disagreements, but usually, they are able to put aside their differences and both sides can often suck it up and humble themselves enough to patch up the argument. That, quite obviously, didn't happen in this case.

Actions speak louder than words. And the actions in this case are telling me that there's an awful lot of EGO involved.

[Stand and Fight]

59. Very, very, very perceptive.

Especially since I am one of the most perceptive people I know!
My gut told me the same thing and more... A lot of which I will keep to myself until more facts emerge.

:hi:

[Verve]

65. Agree with you Crispini! EGOS are in the way!! They need to start

taking a backseat because our democracy is at stake! What's more important?

[lthuedk]

79. If Ms. Harris is coordinating a criminal investigation with the Kerry

people, tipping her hand would be very wrong. The potential prosecution - never - reveals its hand if there's a choice. And we all know that. Right? This has been discussed at length. Each day can produce a more solid case. Why on earth would you want to reveal evidence to a potential defendant before a case is filed? Would you want to give the Bushies time to mount a defense?

There is simply no way the collective good guys are not preparing the strongest case possible-strong enough to withstand ten Karl Rove defenses.

Look, Kerry has no future in politics if he loses this game, and he knows it. Likewise, Bev Harris risks everything. Do you really think these people are so stupid as to trash the summation of their life's passions in a poorly executed, poorly timed effort?

I don't think we've reached the 11th hour yet.

[zann725]

83. Bingo! Right on the mark!

I don't like seeing Bev being 'trashed'. She's done an awful lot of work here. And getting necessary attention when the clock is running does at time require extraordinary measures.

We've been patient with Kerry thus far. Let's extend the similar courtesy to Bev...until we know all the facts, at the best time for them to be revealed by those in-the-know.

[flyarm]

84. have we reached the 11th hour??

i am not a lawyer..but i have a couple questions that a few of us have asked here in fla...and believe me i have always been a big proponant of bev...so this is not dissing her..just mere questions!

why was the sunshine law not invoked?? in the proper time frame??
no sunshine law has been invoked here in fla for this election!

and..why was the problem in volusia filed a day to late for the certification?? bev had the office locked down way ahead of the certification deadline date..why was the suit put in late??

just wondering but many of us have been asking these questions.

why were none of us called to help out when so many of us called and emailed offering our help??

several of us that i know were pollwatchers and offered to help...maybe bev didnt come to the west coast that may be why..i just don't know. but several of us are curious...

i am not judging...i have gone out and spoken of bbv for over a year here in fla..and have discussed with state senators and congress people, and i spoke about it at the jefferson jackson dem week and everywhere anyone would let me speak out about it..i have copied all the facts off bevs site and given the stuff out at every dem club meeting and dec meetings...but i would just like to know why this wasnt done in a timely manner...there may be a very good explaination..i just dont know it..maybe i missed something..which is very possible!! fly

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

88. You have some very valid questions, and concerns.

It would be appreciated if someone could address them. Thank you!

[Kelvin Mace]

100. If Bev Harris is coordinating a criminal investigation

with the Kerry campaign, I'll divorce my wife and marry my cat on Springer.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Maddy McCall]

104. LMFAO!!!!!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! I'll actually tune in to see that. :-)

[bklyncowgirl]

108. If Bev is coordinating a secret criminal investigation she shouldn't be...

blabbing her findings all over the bloody Internet.

[lonestarnot]

111. AMEN AMEN AMEN

Patience people patience.... it's coming. It's coming hold onto your hats kids! And keep in mind, nothing is ever as it appears. EVER.

[Maddy McCall]

103. I agree.

You are quite observant to have seen through what is apparently bullshit.

:-)

[smartvoter]

24. He sounds reasonable to me.

I know many disagree, but I thought the ceremony crash was in bad taste and we need negative PR like we need a hole in the head.

I would like to see their answer regarding invitation to go on and show their footage, since we've been POUNDING ON DOORS to get a snippet. I hope this isn't one of those situations where the person we're relying on is more interested in her benefit than the cause. Wouldn't be the first time (or last)...

I guess we'll have to see what BBV says about this.

[SueZhope]

25. Did others here

Bev say things like she was scheduled to go on
the MSM shows but they always canceled on her
not the other way around?

I thought I heard her say that on some radio talk shows.

[New Earth]

28. yeah i heard the same thing, i think when she was on Randi Rhodes

[SueZhope]

40. Yes that was the show

Thanks

[thjay]

74. Randi specifically asked Bev about KO

Bev said she was scheduled to go on the show but made it very clear that she would use the "f" word - fraud. They canceled her appearance 15 minutes before show time.

This was within a week of the election. It's possible that KO has been in contact with her since then. It would be great if Bev could respond. I'm sure Bev's group is working very hard and there are lots of stuff going on that we don't know about. It's not fair to place judgment on what you don't know.

[ClassWarrior]

29. Well, now she has one on record as wanting her on.

She can take KO up on the offer.

NGU.

[dmac]

38. And she better, don't you think?

This is why people have given her money - exposure! Not so she can do her own documentary at a time when it suits her. We want this fraud out on the table and we want the mainstream press to pick it up and run with it. How can she ignore this kind of publicity? If she fails to follow up on an offer like this, then no one should ever give another dime to BBV and it will just be a matter of time before the MSM will pick up on this and this they will make a story of . . . "Gullible, defeated Dems give away all but put their eggs, trust and money in wrong basket. . . . ."

[anamandujano]

44. Most of those eggs went to the dnc which was

definitely the wrong basket.

--go Jessie go--

[ClassWarrior]

56. I think she should either go public, or give DU an explanation.

We've always been her for her. And her for us.

NGU.

[Kelvin Mace]

101. Yes, I heard

and I believe Keith, not Bev.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Timebound]

30. Yes, the time is now.

If you have proof, Keith is all but asking for it RIGHT NOW.

[Patsy Stone]

32. What we've got going on here...

is an amazing conversation with KO. It's alive!

So, what have we learned:

1) Bev needs to be contacted, but quick, to get thee to Countdown, if he will still have her on. No iffs, ands, or buts. And time is of the ESSENCE. Her credibility clock is ticking.
2) I wrote several threads yesterday about sending messages to us through the show. One of them I mentioned was VIDEO. When he showed the Ukrainans being beaten, I thought we need VIDEO. I originally paged MM, but now he tells us he's tried to get her on the show. Where are you, Bev? Her "in" is to explain the suit and why she felt she needed to burst in to the meeting/party/thing.
3) These dramatics add NO credibility to her fine, righteous work -- or ours. If she wants support and respect, let her trust us or, someone, to help her get the word out. It's clear we have a friend in Jesus, and, apparently, KO.
4) KO is right there, reading the mail, doing the work, fighting for truth. Sometimes, the truth hurts. Sometimes the truth gets lost in the theatrics and gets overshadowed. Sometimes, you get that pointed out to you by someone you trust.

And, please, let's not curse any more in LTE or letters to anyone. It's very bad form. It makes us "freepers." Eeeww.

[Terre]

49. I wholeheartedly agree

Please let's not curse any more in LTE or letters to anyone. It's very bad form.

I was SO surprised, and disappointed as well, to read that.

I thought "our" side was above that. I guess I was wrong, and that makes me sad.

[AntiFascist]

69. The facts...

sometimes override the truth. The fact is that Keith Olbermann has been trying to discredit Wayne Madsen and now is in the process of discrediting Bev Harris, and many of us are blindly accepting his opinions. As an employee of a Microsoft / NBC(GE) joint venture he may be telling us next that Bush ain't so bad after all.

[Patsy Stone]

76. OK

you go with that. I'll stick to what I see with my own eyes.

I have no idea who Wayne Madsen is, and KO said he'd pay his ticket to go get his Pulitzer if anything he said is true. If Mr. Madsen has information that can be independently confirmed by two sources, I'm sure anyone would be happy to have him on their show. At the moment I have read some lovely articles by a man whose story I'd love to believe. But again, like Bev, he's operating in the shadows for security purposes. Deep Throat in the parking lot? Call Woodstein.

And how do facts override the truth? That is a fallacious argument since you can not have an untrue fact.

[MarkusQ]

77. The facts, and the truth

So far as I have seen, Keith hasn't tried to "discredit" anyone, on either side of the issue. Instead, he has tried to get, and keep, the discourse on a basis of publicly verifiable facts. He points out when people on either side try to hide the truth, regardless of their motivation; Warren County, Bev Harris, Jessy Jackson, Ken Blackwell, Wayne Madsen, John Kerry, Karl Rove, etc. all get exactly the same treatment from him. He expects them to be clear, honest, and forthright. If you want to play, lay your cards on the table and don't try to be coy or manipulative. State facts. Back them up.

This, to my way of thinking, is real unbiased reporting: not giving "equal time" to the lies and talking points of both sides, but rather holding both sides to the same high standard. I'm all for it.

--MarkusQ

[msgadget]

90. Well said. I agree. (eom)

[smartvoter]

80. If you look hard enough, you can find enemies ever where.

The fact that Olbermann doesn't agree with you 100 percent of the time doesn't mean he's trying to discredit the effort. None of us agree all the time. Diversity is natural. And it makes us stronger.

[AntiFascist]

85. About facts and truth....

On a countdown news show you can't give a very detailed explanation of anything in the few minutes of airtime devoted to any particular subject. A blog is much better for providing details, but KO's blog doesn't seem to be much better than his news broadcast, it seemes to be primarilly about him stating his opinions and his experience. At least on DU people provide links to other web resources.

Keith happens to be the only newscaster covering this subject in any detail, and for that we should keep a careful eye on every move he makes. Time will tell whether he is productive in uncovering any truth there is to be had on the fraud. (At least MSNBC is now letting them discuss it for what it is?)

As far as "facts" are concerned, actions speak louder than words. A truly investigative reporter would be taking his best leads and following up on them. Without the evidence submitted by Madsen or Bev Harris, what else are we left with that's of any value, other than the results of a recount?

[lonestarnot]

112. I've been watching this closely, with the same thoughts.

Please don't let this be true...I have grown very fond of KO. What a disappointment if it comes to fruition.

[smartvoter]

39. It's important to note that he went out on a limb here.

He openly told us that he worries she may be discrediting the process AND that the usefulness of the evidence she's collected has a shelf life. That's not exactly neutral. It's in our corner.

[Patsy Stone]

48. Just

love him

[johnaries]

42. He's being careful, as he should be...

and, admittedly, Bev is not quite as "outspoken" as she was prior to the election. Then again, she's a lot busier now than she was prior to the election. I love KO, and I love Bev, but I think each of them are "attacking" from two different fronts.
Bev is working very carefully in some very sensitive areas - her work requires some secrecy before the "trap is sprung".
Keith is expected to "objective". I saw his latest post as a plea for "Bev, please come on my show and let me have the next Watergate Scoop": but that may not be practical. Can't blame the guy for trying, though!
Personally, I'm just glad it's getting attention!
It's up to us to make something out of it! Whether we make them disqualify the vote in Ohio or in Florida, either one will turn the tide!
This election was stolen! DON'T accept fraudulent results! The People need to take back the Government For The People! :bounce:

[anamandujano]

53. Most importantly, they are both working hard for all of us

so don't attack either of them.

--go Jessie go--

[Kimber Scott]

52. I agree with Olbermann. It's time for Bev to show her hand.

I'd hate to see this end up like the Dan Rather memo thing. If she's got tapes, they should have been on the air on November 3rd.

[tbuddha]

61. POLL TAPES SILLY

She didn't get them till after the 15th

[Stand and Fight]

68. No, no...

She has VIDEO TAPE and POLL TAPES.

[lonestarnot]

113. Have you ever tried to tell a chief prosecutor how to prosecute his/her

case? NOT! Timing in this case would be the same two years from now. Just as scandolous, with reactions just the same. Lawyers don't run on emotion if they are worth a crap, they are required to grow an extra layer called a shit shield. Just like poker players who can control their own pupils (as in black hole eye part), or if they can't they wear shades. Stand by, keep watching the events are unfolding. Cheaters never really win. Keep the faith. Don't put Bev in a box, the poor thing is probably exhausted, she's been going nonstop probably on little sleep, little nutrition, and lots of stress for one whole month straight. Ever done it? It's tough. Sometimes it clouds judgment worse than a couple martinis. She got spunk...let her whip it good! You go Bev... we got your back!

[KaryninMiami]

54. I'm sending a note to Bev and Andy now

Also to Keith asking him if he would consider contacting her directly (rather then through his staff). My feeling is that perhaps if they had a heart to heart conversation, they could come up with a way for her to appear that would protect whatever it is she is needing to protect now (if this is what's going on with her), but also show some credibility with what she has been working on for the past few years.
I am not giving up on her- or on the work they are doing at BBV. I still have faith in them- and in Keith!

[SueZhope]

66. did you hear about Andi?

I heard today on Randi Rhodes
his sister had passed away but he was
still working..very said side note

[Karenca]

57. BEVS RESPONSE:TO ALL DU'ER'S: When asked about appearing on Olbermann

BevHarris (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-08-04 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #17

21. They backed out of it. Unless they just rescheduled it.


I got a call from his producer yesterday about their sudden change of plans. I hope they have the stones to do the story, but I guess we'll see.

Bev

Also this sent out to al Du'ers

ris (1000+ posts) Mon Nov-08-04 12:03 AM
Original message
BBV: Help America Audit -- 5 Things You Can Do Immediately

Edited on Mon Nov-08-04 12:15 AM by BevHarris
I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2. Even the journalists are pretty horrified. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.

This is a person I've worked with off and on for nearly two years, and the voice was so somber it really bothered me.>>>>>>>

[AmyCrat]

67. both of these statements...

#1 is ridiculous. How does she not know if it involves HER ("They backed out of it. Unless they just rescheduled it.")

#2 has nothing to do with #1. We all knew this on that date. That date is also the first night KO covered election fraud, and has been doing it ever since.

Read:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6368819/

Both of these are OLD news. It's December 1st now.

[Patsy Stone]

71. Again psychic girl

I just wrote the same thing, mostly. See post called "that was then, this is now" and tell me what you think.

[Karenca]

92. Yes.......I'd love to see her on the show presenting all the facts that

she's uncovered. She;s done so much research.
BTW, I think you and I were separated at birth!

[Karenca]

73. I thought they were ridiculous, and that is why I pasted them

#1. was answer she gave a poster when the poster asked her if she was going to appear on KOlbermann

[Kelvin Mace]

102. And I have spoken to at least

a dozen reporters, including folks who have done very friendly stories on BBV and they say the idea of a lockdown is just utter nonsense.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Niche]

58. I hate to insinuate because it was so tragic but maybe he's killing

the bbv because of what happened to Dick Ebersol? I will say quite clearly this particular idea is a conspiracy rant. But I will say quite clearly and this is not a conspiracy rant that these thugs on the r are f**king-scary-dirty-bastards-- :eyes:


Sorry terre - i'm not above swaring. i will try to tone it down but you also have the freedom to block out my messages if you wish. :hi:

[RaulVB]

60. RIP for Bev Harris

Olbermann is trying to make the whole thing acceptable for the public opinion and I agree with him

[RageKage]

63. Reasonable criticism

I really like this guy. He is so damn balanced. A needed reality check sometimes (at least for me).

[Lone_Star_Dem]

78. I've been following Bev's work for alot longer then I have been on DU

My feelings are that it's time for Bev to go on Olbermann. He's willing to have her and we need the press. I am sure she is swamped right now and it won't be easy for her to schedule it in, it still needs to be done.

Bev has put an extreme amount of hard work and effort into this issue. You won't hear me bad mouthing any of that. I just think that if she is to continue with this effort and expect it to advance, (and it must advance, too much is at stake here) it's time to address these claims. Olbermann has been reasonable with the concept of fraud and he deserves our respect.

Also, if anyone here wrote him an email using profanities, shame on you. We are not Republicans; we can articulate better than that when speaking to the press. :)

[Solitaire]

81. I think Keith has been pretty straightforward...

and if Bev had a good reason why she wouldn't show the tapes and why she cancelled her appearance on KO's show, why wouldn't she just tell him the truth? I'm sure he would understand if it was a legal matter.

Something's not right.

[Patsy Stone]

82. She didn't cancel

KO canceled. Because she wanted to say the F word. He posted that the first night he wanted someone mainstream. Now she thinks there's a "lockdown". She needs to get over herself and show her smoking gun video ASAP. She can scream it from the hills, he practically told her the light's on for her.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

94. I received an email from Keith tonight saying that the f-word

in no way would have influenced them. I am beginning to be more confused.

[Patsy Stone]

120. OK, then the problem

seems to be Bev. Before you all kick my ass, hear me out.

We seem to be in the middle of so much information and dis-information and misdirection. The point is that she tried once, and she decided it was a lost cause to get on the show and into the MSM, from one rebuff (rescheduling, cancellation, whatEVER!). It seems that she has a tougher skin than that, so I am confused too. Maybe she thinks it really is all a conspiracy. Hell -- maybe it IS.

I would never say that she wasn't doing good things, nor KO. We obviously do not know what went down between BBV and Countdown. If she thinks she's got something, let her go on and talk about it. The only person that seems to be stopping her is -- her!

Maybe it *is* for legal reasons; or, maybe she doesn't have what she says she does, after closer inspection. As he pointed out, who the hell really knows what she has? The TFH thing that he mentioned was uncalled for, but I think he's tired of us screaming at him about having her on. He put the onus back on her, and on us, to get her to come out of the shadows.

He wasn't going to put Madsen's stuff out there on the air, that's why he blogged it. I've written before that I think this blog of his was telling everyone to "stop making yourselves and this whole cause look ridiculous!" He's calling her out, and she needs to respond. He's also telling us he's listening, and watching, and reading and that he's not the only one. We need to get our act together!

[lonestarnot]

114. Why should she be coerced for KO benefit?

We've boosted his ratings to 128%.

[Straight Shooter]

86. FWIW, my email to Keith Olbermann about this matter

Dear Mr. Olbermann:

I try to remain as objective about Bev Harris as possible. In her favor, it's my understanding that the party she "crashed" was actually not supposed to be a party at all, simply a political gathering. Perhaps Ms. Harris was practicing a form of "civil disobedience" and it backfired. Ms. LaPore, however, is not a sympathetic figure in any circumstance, and so I'd call that a draw.

I do agree with you that Ms. Harris made an error in judgment, and I hope her "scene" doesn't evolve into a "Dean scream" on the MSM. We'll see. It may be that the woman is overtaxing herself and what seems rational in the planning stage becomes irrational in the execution. Perhaps a representative can be designated in her place to speak for her, someone who advocates her cause but can be a bit more objective in presenting the case to the public.

In closing, I believe you are being more than fair, and you have all the appearances of being forthright with your blogosphere audience. Please continue to pursue the matter of this tainted election. America needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

Regards,
(Straight Shooter)

I really do believe Mr. Olbermann is walking a very fine line here. It's time for Bev Harris to meet him in the middle. Too much is at stake to allow this to dissolve into a debate about his motives/agenda or her motives/agenda. Mr. Olbermann is giving Bev Harris the benefit of the doubt. It's only fair that she return the favor.

[Patsy Stone]

119. You go on with your bad self

Well, and exactly put. Kudos.

[delphine]

89. You gotta admit

the guy makes perfect sense.

I've felt this way all along.

Bev lost people she was working with in a split caused by something that was never explained.

She runs around claiming all this crap but never shows any of it. If the tapes and videos are a "smoking gun" and she's all about fair elections, why not come to the show and let people look at them. It would blow the whole thing wide open - and she says that's what she wants. She tells us she has video of trash bag wars, etc., but no one has ever seen it.

Don't you think if she had any real smoking guns on this that someone would HAVE to listen?

Making a spectacle of herself and then refusing to "share" her info, only wanting air time, only makes the whole issue seem like C.T.

Olbermann has been our best friend in this. If Bev Harris wants to dis Olbermann, perhaps she is not so much our friend, but only her own.

[understandinglife]

91. Email to Mr Olbermann and a plea.

Everyone, the problem is not Ms Harris and Mr Olbermann, both of whom are placing their butts on the line, every moment of every day in defense of our Constitutional rights and our democracy franchise.

The problem, the lethal threat is from those who are driving the theocratic totalitarian steamroller.

We will not prevail by bickering; we must focus our efforts on convincing Senator Kerry to lead.

We must focus our efforts on enabling Senator Kerry to convince every truly patriotic US Senator and Representative to boycott all Congressional activity until we have halted this corrupt 2004 National election and established a mechanism by which we can vote in a fair and legitimate process who should be the next President and Vice President of the USA.

It can be done; it must be done. If the Ukrainians can make it stick so can we.

Please realize who you are and the power you possess -- all of you represent an unprecedented, intelligent and passionate network of patriots, dedicated to the ideals of our Constitution and to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice that is the reason we are all able, today, to communicate with each other, join together and act in concert to reverse the tragedy of 2000 and the corruption of 2004.

Please focus on convincing Senator Kerry to step to the front of what will be millions of our fellow citizens and lead an unrelenting effort to save our franchise and serve our Constitutional responsibilities.

Here is my letter to Mr Olbermann.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Good evening Mr Olbermann,

Understand your concerns & frustration with Ms Harris. But, from my perspective, isn't it odd that a lone ranger lawyer, Ms Harris, and a lone ranger reporter, you, are among the very few 'public' individuals trying to save our franchise of democracy.

How odd and tragic, in_deed.

Mr. Olbermann, I assume you realize, as do many of us, that the one American citizen who can bring the intense focus on the crisis that our democracy is hurtling toward, is Senator Kerry.

Let's face some facts:

1. Had the Republicans been in Al Gore's position on 7 Nov 2000 a fire storm would have scorched our nation before they would have allowed their opponent to be inaugurated.

2. Had the Republicans confronted what Senator Kerry and Edwards did at ~ 2200, 2 Nov 2004, a fire storm would still be scorching every square foot of our nation. (want an example, just look at how frothy and loathsome they are being in the WA State Governor's race -- i surmise for more reasons than just getting Rossi into the governor's mansion; they don't want all those ballots actually scrutinized and compared to the current tables in the county's databases).

3. Had just ONE US Senator stood with their courageous colleagues from the House of Representatives on that horrible, treacherous day, 6 Jan 2001, our nation and the world might very well have been spared some of the most imperialistic, immoral and illegal activities witnessed in the past 100 years.

4. Thus, we must not let the 2004 national election stand. We must force a nation-wide audit. We must force a nation-wide commitment to allow every citizen equal access to a ballot and to an absolutely unambiguous accounting of how their vote is recorded or WE HAVE NO GOVERNMENT; we will have defaulted to tyranny because the franchise of democracy begins and ends with the robustness and accuracy of it's electoral system.

We must HALT THIS ELECTION.

You can see the letter I have written Senator Kerry here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

As I've indicated to Senator Kerry, he cannot 'win' this election; no one can 'win' this election, because this election is not valid based on what we already know regarding voter suppression.

Mr. Olbermann, I've been working on the contents of this letter since late in the evening o! f 2 Nov 2004. As I've told several individuals who have corresponded with me on various drafts of the letter -- our franchise has been hijacked; the decision now is do we rescue it or do we continue to delude ourselves as we have been doing since 7 Nov 2000, and hope for it to be returned unharmed? I opt for the rescue mission.

We will prevail but not by approaching the situation in a 'business as usual; we'll get if fixed for next -time' manner.

It is no longer a matter of politics, party, or party organizations. The rescue operation will be successful by how committed every citizen is to its success. Senator Kerry is the only person at this moment who can authoritatively and selflessly enunciate what the challenge is and why we have no choice but to call halt, account as precisely as possible what has transpired, and then take appropriate action.

Without Senator Kerry's visible and vocal leadership, now, we go from that extraordinary mis-step into darkness that is the legacy of not even a single Senator enjoining the fight with their courageous colleagues from the House of Representatives, on 6 Jan 2001; to a somewhat delayed, but inevitable confrontation with an even more entrenched and vicious tyranny.

Unfortunately, I don't have the stature or resources to lead the rescue mission. If I did, I wouldn't be sending you this email or writing a letter to Senator Kerry; I'd have already been rescuing it.

Mr. Olbermann, I must rely on you. Please just post the request to Senator Kerry or call him -- whatever it takes. Please call on him to step forward and lead all of us in a valiant, and likely successful endeavor to save our franchise and the credibility and value that so many of our citizens have made the ultimate sacrifice to preserve and share.

Thank you,
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

[Karenca]

93. The link to the Kerry letter is broken, The Keith letter made me cry nt

[understandinglife]

95. I was crying as I wrote it and as I wrote the letter to Senator Kerry...

.....this link should be ok:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/11/30/33526/427/25#25

Thank you and Peace.

"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

[ReneB]

105. didnt Bev wrote in one thread that ...

the video wont be broadcasted on MSM because they want it for a votergate.(tv,org?) documentary (only)?

i dont have the search option here.. maybe someone checks

[north houston dem]

118. I would think

that they would want to release the footage as promotion for their documentary. It would be in their interest to do so - think of the ratings if this thing blows up!

[bklyncowgirl]

109. Olbermann is right time is running out.

If Olbermann is willing to give Bev a forum on national television to show those things she's described to anyone with a computer and a modem, she should do so post haste.

Assuming Harris has the sort of things she's described online, computer tapes in the garbage, etc. This could be the smoking gun that blows this thing wide open.

[rman]

110. Don't jump to conclusions

Anything is possible. Olbermann may be right, or it may be a ploy to discredit Bev.

Whichever the case, Olbermann has spoken, and it's Bev's turn now.

[lonestarnot]

115. box box box/ beware of all boxes!

COOL OUT PEOPLE ... BEV DOING HER VERY BEST!