Might Warren County be the key?

[tex-wyo-dem]

From an article posted by nmoliver earlier:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.election09dec09,0,3131082.story?coll=bal-oped-headlines

"Warren County, Ohio, closed the vote count to outside observers on the advice of the Department of Homeland Security. This county in suburban Cincinnati is of no interest to al-Qaida but it is the single most important county in the nation to Mr. Bush's re-election, having produced nearly one-third of his statewide margin. Democratic registration improved by one-third from four years ago, while Republican registration dropped by 10 percent. Mr. Bush's performance statewide dropped, too, but despite all the arrows in the other direction, Mr. Bush's vote totals mysteriously increased."

Although I am certain that this election fraud was spread far and wide among many states, maybe the key to cracking this is to focus on one highly suspect county, that being Warren County.

This county was highly important to the Bush campaign as illustrated in the above statement. Also, a known, highly suspect, provable action took place on the evening of Nov. 2, that being the lock-down (is the FBI or any law enforcement agency investigating this?). This coupled with the suspect statistics, to me, seems to be a strong argument for an attorney to bring forward to a court as a basis to question the entire Ohio election.

Any lawyers out there please let me know your take on this.

We need to keep our focus on Warren county.

[IAMREALITY]

1. Wow, I hadn't Seen That Number Yet

Or maybe I have and my brain is so crammed with info I forgot it.

But regardless, Dem's increased registration by 33% and Repubs lost 10%, yet the shrubs margin still increased???

Yes, something DEFINITELY stinks.

[tex-wyo-dem]

3. That's why I would like to get a lawyers take on this...

Warren may very well be the "smoking gun."

[berniew1]

33. Documentation of irregularities and unusual results in Warren County

Indications of possible ballot box stuffing in S.W. Ohio counties
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm
http://www.flcv.com/swohio.html

Favoritism in the Suburbs http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/suburbs.htm

[thedevilinthedetails]

6. But then again, if

the Repug leaders in Warren county managed to keep the voting machine to voter ratio very very high in largely dem precincts, but no lines at Repug precincts, that could explain some of it.

I do wonder what was going on in that room while just the media was kicked out for security reasons of course, but they could have also managed to manipulate the likelihood that less Dems would be able to vote, thus the disparity in percentages and the apparent contradiction in registration versus votes for Bush or Kerry

[jhgatiss]

16. I think Warren county is very Republican.

I don't think there are any Democratic precincts. I could be mistaken though. I think machine allocation fraud only works in urban areas.

[roseBudd]

26. They switched Kerry votes to Bush in Warren n/t

[jhgatiss]

32. I don't doubt that as a possibility.

But I doubt very much that they could have used machine allocation for voter suppression as they seemed to do here in Columbus and Cleveland. In some of these exurban and rural counties, when nearly everyone is a registered Republican, its hard to use machine allocation to suppress the votes because you can't predict accurately where Republicans might flip their vote.

[bunny planet]

34. Most def, that's why the fake terror alert and nobody watching the count!

[bmoney07]

21. Agree

because no mater what the county trends it matters that this county carried Bush to victory and if the dems increased numbers and the repukes lost numbers then that would have a great impact on the county and therefor the election

[Quakerfriend]

2. Thanks Tex Wyo Dem

for bringing this back up to the forefront. Seems that Arnebeck ought to have a copy of this.;)

[Eurobabe]

4. I am personally moving to Warren Co. in Dec/Jan just to do this...

Who'll match me?

No seriously, my hubby took a new job in Cincy, and we bought a temp. house in Mason. So I will be in the thick of things. Eyes Wide Open...

[tex-wyo-dem]

7. Thanks!

Keep us informed on what your eyes and ears see and hear :)

[karlrschneider]

8. Mason? There's a great restaurant just outside Mason, I cant recall

the name but it should be easy to find...they have (or did a couple years ago) really delicious frog legs. We found it more or less by accident in the yellow pages while staying in Middletown...:D

[tex-wyo-dem]

5. Please also refer to ongoing thread....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x132348

[Quakerfriend]

9. one more point of interest on this topic

I read on another thread that Warren was also the last to report on election night.....Were they waiting to see how things were going to turn out before "giving the order" to go behing closed door and do some "adjusting"?

[tex-wyo-dem]

10. Interesting...

Might you have a link to that information or DU thread?

Thanks!

[Quakerfriend]

12. No, but I'll search for you

[tex-wyo-dem]

13. Thanks, I don't have search capabilities.

[vireo]

20. They probably saw the "green shoe" directive

[roseBudd]

24. They were the last to report, Cincinnati Enquirer wrote both stories

about Warren and an editorial. Enquirer sued for the emails and memmos.

[roseBudd]

35. That is true as reported by the Cincinnati Enquirer

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenvote05.html

The Warren results, delayed for hours because of long lines that extended voting past the scheduled close of polls, were part of the last tallies that helped clinch President Bush's re-election.

snip

WCPO-TV (Channel 9) News Director Bob Morford said he's "never seen anything like it." When he first heard about Warren County's building restrictions, he said he understood concerns that too many people could make the counting process "a circus." But he said it's never been a problem in the past, and that the county could have set up a security checkpoint and had people show identification.

"Frankly, we consider that a red herring," Morford said of the county's "homeland security" reason. "That's something that's put up when you don't know what else to put up to keep us out."

snip

Typically, the Warren County commissioners' room is set up as a gathering place for people to watch the votes come in. But that wasn't done this year.

[roseBudd]

37. Warren part 2

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/10/loc_warrenvote10.html



snip

Now, they say an FBI agent told them that Warren County ranked a "10" on a terrorism scale. However, state and federal homeland security officials said Tuesday they were unaware of any specific threat against the county.

snip

"It wasn't international terrorism that we were in fear of; it was more domestic terrorism," South said Tuesday. "I much prefer sitting here today telling you why we did implement security rather than why we didn't."

snip

"The FBI did not notify anyone in Warren County of any specific terrorist threat to Warren County before Election Day," FBI spokesman Michael Brooks said.

A spokeswoman for Ohio's top homeland security official, Public Safety Director Ken Morckel, knew of no heightened terror warning for either Warren County or any other Greater Cincinnati community on election night.

snip

[Patsy Stone]

11. ALWAYS thought it was...

I read an article that said Bush gained 18K votes over 2000 in Warren Co. Turd Blosson said it was the Kris-tians..

[FogerRox]

14. It was my understanding that Warren County

Put Bush over the top---

[Patsy Stone]

17. WaPo on Warren County 11/7/04

"According to surveys of voters leaving the polls, Bush won 79 percent of the 26.5 million evangelical votes and 52 percent of the 31 million Catholic votes. Turnout soared in conservative areas such as Ohio's Warren County, where Bush picked up 18,000 more votes than in 2000, and local activists said churches were the reason."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32793-2004Nov7.html

[sabra]

15. Franklin County Too

Both of them need to be thoroughly investigated. Warren for the reason he have stated, and Franklin for not being able to explain why the computer error occured that gave Bush 4k extra votes.

[Lostnote03]

18. I'm reminded of Boone Co KY......

........This is Sen Bunnings base.....It also was last to submit tallies statewide on Nov 2.........This is after a daylong lead by challenger Dan Mongiardo.....

[proudtobeadem]

19. Have we ever heard from any poll workers or volunteers on this?

[Woo]

22. If my memory serves correct--

And it usually does -- I read about a democratic election worker from this county after seeing that Bush got 72% of the vote -- wayyyy above any other county in Ohio and around the country -- she said that the figure couldn't be right...

You'll have to look it up for yourself -- but I do believe it was published in a newspaper article last week...

[vireo]

25. I guess I might believe that Bush bettered his 2000 showing

in Warren (he having "incumbatory advantitude") but for Kerry's percentage to be less than Gore's was (27.58% vs 27.71% for Gore) strains credulity.
http://www.co.warren.oh.us/bdelec/archive/general_11-00.htm

[proudtobeadem]

28. we need to find this person and all othersther that day

[roseBudd]

38. It was and she is a DU member, lizzieforkerry

She states Warren County dem GOTV was nonexistent in 00, off the hook in 04 yet Kerry got less votes than Gore.

It is she the Kerry lawyer Jeff Ruppert told he had to split his time between 2 rooms on Nov. 2.

[proudtobeadem]

23. Here's a response from Warren County

Warren County Responds
http://chinaphotos.homeunix.com/wp/index.php?p=74&page=2

We received about a dozen e-mails concerning Keith Olberman show on MSNBC and I have tried to answer the questions and concerns.
SNIP
A week before the election the Emergency Service Director for our county called our Board of Elections office and ask for a meeting between our office, his office and the County Board of Commissioners. At the meeting, the Director said he had been advised of an alert on a county that matched our description. He stated only two counties in the State of Ohio met this description. ( I am using the word “description’ as a precaution against the details).
SNIP

[roseBudd]

40. LIAR!

According to Doug Jones PHD:

The Rights of Election Observers
Despite laws that require election officials to carry out their activities in public, there are stories from around the country of election observers being turned away from polling places or county vote tabulating centers. We need to insist that observers at the polling places be permitted to watch not only the voting itself, but also the pre-election setup of the voting equipment and the crucial activities involved in closing the polls and reporting the results.

Similarly, at county tabulating centers, we must insist on the rights of election observers to watch all crucial activities. Not only must observers be able to watch, but they must be able to understand what they are seeing. Watching someone count X-marks on paper ballots is easy enough, but as the work of vote counting has been shifted into computers, the ability of an observer to distinguish between the legitimate an the illegitimate has declined.

We can and should ask that at least some of the observers present at the tabulating center be able to watch what is on the computer screen when an election official or technician enters commands into that computer. In addition, we must ask that the observer be in a position to understand what is being done, either because an explanation is offered for each such command, or because the observer has been given access to the relevant documentation far enough in advance that they had a reasonable opportunity to learn what the commands mean.

I believe that many election officials will resist extending these rights to observers, but I am not convinced that overcoming this resistance will require legislation. Current law regarding the rights of election observers may be sufficient, but it may take good lawyers and fast work with injunctions to assure that election observers can do their jobs.

[roseBudd]

27. Cincinnati Enquirer verified there was no FBI or Homeland Security threat

[DoYouEverWonder]

29. Hey, I think I smell smoke over here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x134052

[tex-wyo-dem]

30. Thanks! I was just about ready to post that thread link.

[The Judged]

31. The MSM reports reason Warren County locked-down, & not election theft?

Yet in the final MSM analysis we find that there was no FBI or Homeland Security personnel at Warren County or an order by either of these agencies to lock-down the county vote tabulation center and that election fraud was literally unprecedented in this election?

We saw and heard reports of dozens of theories on how Bush got re-elected immediately following Election Day, and each of those has been thoroughly debunked, YET THEY WERE REPORTED BY MSM, while the actual and factual election fraud that has occurred is quickly and emphatically dismissed as "explained." in the few and very sparse MSM mentions of it not being more than normal for an election?

We are verifying what many academics have long suggested was the truth: American Democracy is in name only.

MSM being directed on what can and can't be reported?

On another note:

For the first time in the history of this nation, the President, Congress, and the Judiciary are ready to embrace Christianity, though it is clearly not lawful to under the existing Constitution and the entire history of judicial, legislative, and executive interpretation of it, and we are told that the elected and unelected officials that conducting this modern day Reformation are CONSERVATIVES!

We, who assemble in virtual reality just to communicate, on the other hand, may actually now be legally considered to be terrorists!

[Patsy Stone]

36. Does a bear...

do you-know-what you-know-where?

Sorry, I've wanted to post this all day. :)

[roseBudd]

39. Interesting point about Dem registrations improving in Warren,

DU member lizzieforkerry stated that P&G's new facility brought a lot of highly educated east coasters to warren. Another reason why she says no way Bush got that margin in Warren.