Whats the Buzz on the streets of Ohio ?

[Twist_U_Up]

are people talking ?

Churchs reaching out ?

Media picking it up ?

Anyone from there ?

[ohio_liberal]

1. Nothing here in eastern OH

No churches reaching out, no media picking it up. A few people are talking, that's about it.

[Quakerfriend]

2. I'm not from OH

But, I would love to see people driving slowly down the steets using a megaphone to spread the word and get people out in the streets!!

[Twist_U_Up]

3. any credible Ohioans ? n/t

[ohio_liberal]

7. As in...?

Well-known public figures? No, not at all. But I do find it incredibly heartening to see Ted Strickland getting involved. That means that the local news here will cover it.

[lizzieforkerry]

22. Strickland for Governor in '06!

:bounce:

[Blue Diadem]

4. No one in this area seems to care.

Our local newspaper will put the AP articles in. But, other than that- nothing. Most of the dems that I talk to think it's over and some just think that this type of thing has went on for years and there is nothing any of us can do about it. The rest of the people that I know are repukes.
Our county was fighting buying electronic voting machines because they can't afford them. (this was on the front page today) They need to have them by 2006. So who knows..if they buy them this election theft will only get worse. One of the commisioners was backing the punch card system.

[AntiFascist]

6. Just my opinion, but.....

this is where we need to focus all of the media efforts. While the right to vote is still a "states' rights" issue, this really is a matter for the people of Ohio to take up, but apparently they need to brought up to speed and energized.

On edit: And the foreign media can help to humiliate the U.S. MSM into covering the issues!

[myschkin]

9. INDIFFERENCE IS OUR BIGGEST ENEMY

[Griffy]

19. ONLY 1 THING WILL WORK... TAKE TO THE STREETS!

[ClarkinMich]

25. CASE Ohio is sponsoring multiple events. Go if you can

Saturday, Dec. 11, Precinct walk to gather evidence of fraud in Clintonville (Columbus).

Sunday, Dec. 12, Noon - 4:00 PM, 51 CAPITAL MARCH Picketing on the sidewalk in front of the Ohio Statehouse, corner of Broad and High Streets, Columbus. http://www.51capitalmarch.com

Monday, Dec. 13, HANDS AROUND THE STATEHOUSE

Tuesday, Dec. 14, 11:00 AM - 1:00 PM, Gather in front of the Governor’s office 77. S. High Street

see:

http://www.caseohio.info/

also:

http://www.caseohio.org/CaseOhio/take_action.htm#

[myschkin]

28. Why

don't you post it on the main site? I hope also you made posters - how do you inform the people of Ohio?

[EMunster]

5. I bet your average Ohio citizen looking in on these threads wouldn't...

know what the hell we're talking about.

[Blue Diadem]

8. You're right

I try to tell some dems at work what's going on and they look at me like I'm wearing a tin-foil hat. I don't know how to motivate people. My immediate family is well aware, but I just can't get anyone else to listen. Plus I live in a strong republican area...(should have stayed in the city).

[Doremus]

10. As far as most Ohioans are concerned, the election was over 11/2.

I'm a small shop owner and when I ask people what they think of the recount, most don't even know what I'm talking about. :(

You'd think at least in democratic Cuyahoga County the media would be talking about it, but not so. The conservative daily newspaper ran a big full page article about recount issues, complete with a chart listing many of the specific irregularities, and proceeded to debunk every one of them with outdated/inaccurate info. The network channels are more concerned about sweeps week than serving their viewers.

So, no, the people here are not well-informed as one might hope. It makes me absolutely crazy and some days I want to scream.

[UVASAM1]

11. nothing

at least not across from the northern panhandle of WV around Wheeling.

a lot of people, including many loyal democrats, view the types of posts on here as coming from those like the WSJ was talking about -- people who would never accept Bush as a legit president no matter what, and dismiss them.

there's virtually no traction b/c the margin was over 100k. i think you'd hear a lot more about it if the margin was 10,000.

[DemonFighterLives]

13. Not from Ohio

But would like to state that I will never accept W* as a legit prsident. No way.
Thanks for the reports from Ohio though.

There are no heavyweights on board and it seems like all will go for naught. We need one big whistleblower!

[emcguffie]

15. why don't we go see someone?

They all need convincing. I asked before, I ask again -- but I am in NY -- will anyone consider going to see the DNC or Kerry people, to show them how the debunkers can be debunked, and the numbers can add up?

Hello?

[ihelpu2see]

36. I did a nonScientific study of people I know in CT

and found only 1 person out of the 7 I asked even knew that there was going to be a recount in Ohio. and the 1 person is very politically active, so my guess is know one is paying attention.... It is crap that the Ukrain gets attention but not the US.

I personally will never vote on a device that does not provide a paper trail.

[Twist_U_Up]

12. I figured the Churchs would have spread the word huh

maybe after Monday everyone will get a stronge dose of reality

[stepnw1f]

14. My Guess is Freepers Are Freaking Out

Good! How many of these Freepers knew about the Voting Fraud. Couldn't they be considered accomplices? Accomplices to Treason?

[bones_7672]

16. The Buzz is: "OMG, Only 15 Days Till Christmas!" n/t

[KerryOn]

17. Reporting from Columbus

People are not steamed up the way I wish they were. We had probably about six to eight hundred people at the State House last Saturday demanding an investigation into voter fraud. Only one local televison network picked it up, and their coverage was not good. ImY sign said: "Ukraine Demands U.S. Recount". When I was walking back to my car someone made a comment telling me that we should be praying for our leader, rather than protesting. My response was "It will be a very cold day in hell before I pray for YOUR leader." It started escalating from their, but luckely my wife had a cool head and stepped in before it got nasty.

Some have been protesting at Blackwell's office demanding that he step down. I wish I could attend, but had to work during the day. Protests and sitins are planned at the state house for both this Saturday and Sunday, and I will attend. (This time we will not have a permit, but we have the right to protest.)

There are a few of us that are fighting for our democracy, but I'm very disapointed in our numbers. What little coverage the media has had was more negative then positive. The general attitude seems to be "Give it up Kerry lost, Bush won, get on with your life."

[Twist_U_Up]

18. stay strong and don`t give up

things are looking up SOON THE WHOLE WORLD WILL HEAR US !!!!

p.s. welcome aboard

[faithnotgreed]

21. thank you so much kerryon - welcome to du!

i lived in columbus some yrs ago and am thankful to now live in a very blue area. i dont know what i would do if i was surrounded with those who were apathetic or worse....

best wishes and thanks again for caring so much. thanks to your wife too! we need you out protesting not locked up over the weekend!

[KaliTracy]

20. not much in the Cincinnati area

though we saw a few people from Cincinnati at the Columbus Rally last week.
Hope to make it Sunday -- as I won't be able to make it Monday. I'm in a red county (Butler).

I've written letters, etc. to media -- but nothing is being talked about.

[Carolab]

23. Spoke to a friend in Oberlin today

(30 miles from Cleveland). He was aware of some of what I was talking about. Said that the word on the street and in a few articles in local papers was that something was definitely amiss. He said he had saved some articles, in fact. Also told me something I'd never heard before--that Oberlin is THE main center for air traffic control for the entire area involved in 9-11 and that on that day the local air traffic controllers were not allowed into their own facilities--that someone from Cleveland had been sent in instead that no one had seen before or even knew. He said that there has been lots of "talk" ever since then in the community that the whole scene just wasn't right.

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. Funny that's about where Flight 77 supposedly turned around

8:20 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 a Boeing 757-223 with a maximum capacity of 200 passengers and 11,489 gallons of fuel, lifts off from Dulles International Airport about 30 miles west of Washington D.C. and the Pentagon, bound for Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, California. Take-off was scheduled for 8:01.


8:54 AM

Flight 77 from Washington begins to go off course over southern Ohio. It turns to the southwest.


8:56 AM

Flight 77's transponder signal is turned off. <8:56, Guardian, 10/17/01, 8:56, Boston Globe, 11/23/01, ?six minutes before? Flight 175 hits WTC, Newsday, 9/23/01> According to the 9/11 Commission, the Indianapolis flight controller in charge of the flight had seen it go off course and head southwest before the signal disappeared. He looks for primary radar signals along its projected flight path as well as in the airspace where it had started to turn. He can't find the plane. He tries contacting the airline but gets no answer. The controller has not been told about any other hijacked planes. He assumes Flight 77 has experienced electrical or mechanical failure. <9/11 Commission Report, 6/17/04> The New York Times recounts, ? ?American 77, Indy,? the controller said, over and over. ?American 77, Indy, radio check. How do you read?? By 8:56 a.m., it was evident that Flight 77 was lost.? Even though Flight 77 is off course with its radio and transponder not working, NORAD is supposedly not notified at this time, even though American Airlines headquarters is (see (Before 9:00 a.m.)), and the Pentagon's NMCC is apparently as well (see (After 8:50 a.m.)). Other centers were notified about the Flight 11 hijacking over twenty minutes earlier (see 8:25 a.m.).

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_911=aa77

[Niche]

24. Dad in Medina OH said yesterday...

"Don't be silly There's no recount. I just read the paper."


:silly:

[proudbluestater]

26. Hello! Ohioans!

Have any of you thought of having a flyer made up to post/glue around town and place on car windshields? Maybe like FIGHT STOLEN ELECTIONS or something and list 2 or 3 websites where folks can find more details about the issue? This was a thought I had this morning, not limited to Ohio, but maybe all of us here should consider it. If the media refuses, we have to be our own media and advocates.

[kk897]

27. another report from Columbus

This evening my mom, who also lives in Columbus, called to tell me she'd seen me on television. Apparently, she'd been flipping around the channels and landed on PBS. There's an Ohio news show that comes on before McNeil-Leher (do they still call it that?), and they gave the whole subject air time. They had footage from the rally last Saturday (said there were 400 people there, repeating the AP line), and I guess there was a brief shot of me waving my sign at people driving past us on High Street. Hee hee... Mom said that it was pretty informative and that it said a lot of things I'd told her about the election.

All my friends are lefties and they all believe there was fraud. Yet only myself, my husband, and his brother went to the rally. It was my birthday that day and we had a little dinner party, and I was trying to gauge their interest in the subject. They all wanted to talk about it, they seemed to think it was cool that we went to the rally, yet none seemed all that interested in doing anything about it.

I think the general feeling was, "we're screwed." Or maybe "lay back and think of Kerry"? Basically, they seemed to think that we're powerless to change things. Very cynical bunch of friends, I guess!

We talked of impending doom over dinner, then played that game with the brain... can't think of the name of it... it's got modelling clay, and you sing, or draw, or spell, etc...

Guess *my* brain's turned to mush!

[lonestarnot]

37. All are not lazy, uneducated, sloths in Ohio...They are Americans

who must care about Democracy. Someone who is passionate in Ohio needs to blog freeways and talk with megaphones...become VERY vocal about consequences of no democracy. If they don't care about democracy, what do they care about?

[AtLiberty]

29. I'm certain people *would* care about fraud...

...if presented with facts. Right now, that sort of thing would *never happen* in the United States, so most aren't buying it.

[Chili]

30. Cuyahoga County here...

...and I wrote something in an email today about Ohio that might explain some of this apathy:

"Ohio is sort of a crossroads - a valley, literally - between the passionate people of the east coast - NY, Jersey, Boston, Philly - and the passionate people of the midwest - Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee. It's almost like a human wave, and Ohio is most definitely a dip between waves of excitable people (and we share the calmness of the people on the other side of that Chicago peak in emotion: Iowa). Ohioans - or, at least, Clevelanders - are not very excitable. Let me use a sports analogy. With the exception of the lovable (or hated!) crazies in the Dog Pound at Cleveland Stadium (diehard Cleveland Browns fans), Clevelanders just don't get emotionally involved enough in anything to make a difference. We leave early at concerts or sports events - all of them! - just to get back to the parking lot and get a head start on the traffic. What?! It's always driven me nuts - scream, rant, the game's not over! Live a little! Take a chance on the traffic! Geez!

Why am I saying all of this? Because no one in Ohio should be surprised at how little fight is coming from the people of Ohio itself, though I suspect that people around the country may be catching on. We don't protest, we would never think to take to the streets. Had it been the state of NY that had gotten screwed, you can bet New Yorkers would be making their voices heard. Not here. We are passive people who take defeat with resignation - it's almost a personality trait in Cleveland, in fact. Seriously. If there were a vocal local charismatic leader - somebody like Mike White, the former mayor of Cleveland, whipping up the people - it would be different. But now you can see why Voinovich, bland as Wonder bread, won so handily in a bland state. Not knocking my beloved Ohio, I love it here - but I'm guessing that Blackwell knows his state VERY well... and knew that he could do whatever he wanted to his fellow Ohioans, and he wouldn't hear a peep out of us."

That's what I wrote, and maybe other Ohioans downstate don't agree. Or maybe you guys do - your replies seem to show a pattern. We are not demonstable people here. Doesn't mean we don't FEEL things, but it does mean we don't do a lot of protesting. Outside of the Kent State U. protests that saw 4 students killed in 1970, I can't remember a single protest in the state. In fact - epiphany, LOL - maybe that terrible day had a profound effect on what people think about taking to the streets. (Kent State is fairly close to both Cleveland and Akron - close enough).

Just a thought.

[Chili]

32. oh, and PS:

...those of you who mentioned media coverage are right: the Cleveland Plain Dealer SUCKS SEWER GOO.

You can forget any coverage coming out of Cleveland of any import whatsoever, and that includes the historically insipid local news. GOD. If anything is embarrassing about this city, it's the pathetic local media.

Consequently, nobody here but a few lefties who read this board or actively seek out the info know what the hell is going on. Recount? What recount? It boggles.

The Akron Beacon-Journal is a much finer newspaper, and IS writing articles on the election that are fair and concise. They haven't crossed the line yet, but they are probing and reporting. Thank goodness for them.

Flyers in this area might be a good idea. Thinking about how to do it...

[propagandafreegal]

33. I have relatives in OHIO. I'm going to call them this weekend. nm

[EMunster]

34. Are people talking about fraud, or the 66 lbs tumor removed from....

that Ohio woman last week?

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041211/NEWS01/412110354

[mikelewis]

35. No one knows... I'm telling as many people as I meet but have not met

one person who knew that there was even a recount going on. The whole issue is getting no coverage so people don't know until I tell them. Believe me they would care but they simply don't know. That's equates to a collossal failure on the part of the Dem Party. They should at least make people aware that there are concerns.


I can tell you for sure, the Dems have lost a lot of support by Kerry's weak ass concession. Most people I tell say that it's over because he conceded. I tell them that a concession isn't legally binding and tha thtere still is a chance but they don't believe it. The local media has done a great job of dispelling any hope. The local churches are a bunch of weak greedy followers more concerned with getting thier government checks than caring for thier flock. You know, I almost think it's going to take another 4 years of the shrub to wake these people up.



As for Kerry, Fuck Him. Even though they threw my vote in the trash, I feel like I wasted a vote. I wish I had voted for Bardinik. At least, he has a fucking spine. I have been waiting and waiting for Kerry to stand up and do something, anything to offer some kind of resistance. These people aren't going to do anything as long as he sits on his rich pampered ass and does nothing. Some fucking hero. He doesn't deserve to be President. If he won't fight for it, and I mean stand up and go toe to toe like anyone of you would do, he doesn't deserve it. He hopes to run again in 2008? Maybe if he hadn't run away in 2004, we could talk about 2008. I am so disgusted and the people I talk to everyday are so disgusted. There isn't one person whose surprised that Bush stole it again. What they're surprised at is that Kerry chickened out. I have been a big supporter of the idea that Kerry was fighting behind the scenes but time has long past that that sort of tactic will yeild any results. He isn't fighting folks. I bet he would though if he thought people were going to turn against him if he didn't. Maybe not. Maybe he's just a spoiled little rich fuck and that the young man who fought so hard to end the Vietnam war, sold out. IT is beginning to look that way. Do you think the Young Kerry would just sit back and let others fight his battles for him or would he stand up and lead the fight? The Old Kerry is sitting back. You can support him if you wish but as the days go on you're going to have to ask yourself if he sold out. I think it's a fair question.

Anyway, that's the buzz from the streets of Cleveland, though you can't even hear a dull hum.

Sincerely,
Michael Lewis

[lonestarnot]

38. This page sounds like a concession speach not moving on, just from this

page

[Imagevision]

39. Thanx and good question; "Did Kerry sell out?!?!? (ouch!)

Looks like time will have to figure this one out for us.Cobb says to expect the recount to begin between 14-16th...and surprisingly only take about a week.

Either way, I want to do something or just forget about John Kerry, hoping there's nothing to this skull&Bones thing that they don't cross each other, who knows, time will tell.

[we can do it]

40. Akron Beacon Journal Articles

See above thread
Another Great Akron suppression article -- this paper is finally on board.

[Fescue4u]

41. Most people in Ohio think that Bush won

I've yet to talk to anyone who has heard of the controversy.

[bobbieinok]

42. my a-political son in IA knew there were major problems

I was stunned and asked how he knew; he said he's been following the pre and postelection at a website (something like evote or electoral vote).

He's in his mid-thirties and has mostly observed me get 'excited' about politics. He said this is the first election he's ever really gotten involved in because he feels the stakes and the dangers are so high.

I was really surprised by the knowledge and intensity of feeling.

[bobbieinok]

43. my a-political son knew there were major problems with the election

I was stunned and asked how he knew; he said he's been following the pre and postelection at a website (something like evote or electoral vote).

He's in his mid-thirties and has mostly observed me get 'excited' about politics. He said this is the first election he's ever really gotten involved in because he feels the stakes and the dangers are so high.

I was really surprised by the knowledge and intensity of feeling.