I saw an interesting post while lurking over at Free Republic...

[Darknyte7]

It's titled "Who’s Watching the Store in Ohio and Elsewhere?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1298745/posts

These guys are twisted...

[trotsky]

1. Good.

Hopefully they'll be so worried about US hacking the vote that they'll support the need for an auditable paper trail.

[Griffy]

18. WE WILL hack the next 1 if there is no paper... let them know that!

[lonestarnot]

78. Oh yeah baby, hack hack hack ask the people in Rawanda about

how far a hack can go. They ought to be worried.

[Califooyah Operative]

2. haha, "old school machine guys"....nt

[LiberalAndProud]

3. This is excellent psy-ops activity.

This guy(gal?) is on our side. That is exactly the scare tactic I hope to see employed on the right-wing faction to help them get behind the Vote Integrity Movement.

[Wabbajack]

87. Gee

I hope no freeper lurkers are reading this topic are discovering our secret plan.

[bleever]

4. Ha! That's a good one.

I didn't know that I was an "operative" with a "pet financier"!

:hippie:

[Darknyte7]

6. Good show!

:toast:

[Catherine Vincent]

36. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[99Pancakes]

66. ...and you are a hippie Birkenstock techie type...

Ha! And you eat quiche and alfalfa sprouts while hacking the election...while swatting a fly with a folded Mother Jones Magazine in your flip-flops.....with a F 9/11 DVD playing......

[mirandapriestly]

5. They can't be real people

no one can be that deluded and ignorant. Unless they are rich and powerful they have NOTHING to gain from their so called president.

[MelissaB]

73. That is what I was thinking.

I've never read anything there before. Boy am I enlightened now.
:puke:

[Blue_In_AK]

7. Definitely twisted.

I think they're nervous.

[IAMREALITY]

8. Normally, I TOTALLY AVOID reading the replies over on that joke of a site

But I couldn't resist. This time I feel different though, I'm not angry, not frustrated, not wanting to beat them. Instead, I'm smiling, that devil I-Know-something-you-don't-know smile, ya know?

Those dumb narrow-minded fuckers have no idea what they're in for!!!!!!!

Woooooooohoooooooo!!!!!

:evilgrin:


:toast:

[TexasChick]

17. Nevermind. I had a freeptardian moment and got my facts mixed up! n/t

[IAMREALITY]

20. Clueless you ask? TOTALLY

LOL They actually say on the thread that it is too late to change anything cause Ohio is certified already and the Electoral college meets the 13th LOL

I mean this far into it and they don't know otherwise yet? LOL They crack me up over there, so silly with their lack of knowledge hehe

It's gonna be realllllllly sweet to read those board after this is allllll said and done :)

[TexasChick]

24. Those retards! Don't they understand that the lawsuit will be filed to

block the meeting of the electoral voters until the case can be tried? Geez Louise!! It's going to be a blast to watch them get a hemorrage over this! Pass the popcorn!

[googly]

50. I hope the judge is a democrat so we can win that case and stop

the electors from certifying Bush**.

[angrydemocrat]

82. LMAO

Retards is putting nicely LMAO. Pass the beer and sit back and enjoy the show it will be a good one.:toast:

[NY lib NY]

9. Looks to me...

like they are a little nervous. They don't even have their facts straight. The judges can stop the the voting of the electors for by Ohio law no electors may vote until there is a bona fide vote. Well you can't have a bona fide vote if a recount is under way. And they think since it is certified it is over. A recount can't even begin until the vote is certified. Ughhhhh. I can't wait till next week. I can't wait for the Arnebeck filing and the beginning of the recount!!!

[IAMREALITY]

13. Hey, Let Them Muster In Their Own Stupidity

Way I see it, their cockiness, narrow-mindedness, ignorance, massive lack of preparedness, and misguided self-assuredness it going to be EXACTLY the catalyst that ultimately loses this election for them

Same reason why * is goin down. Cause he is over-confident. Over-Confident that he got away with it. He didn't. We are gonna take him down. Don't sweat the freepers, they are in for a HUGEEEEEEEE surprise hehehe.

[buzzard]

44. IAMREALITY HELP

Here is a quote from over at Free Republic. Does it make any sense to you?? I asked for it to be debunked in another post but I don't think anyone has looked at it. Thank You Sandy
Quote:
This attorney that you are referring to is called Arnebeck and he is filing a law suit to overturn the election results in Ohio and give to Kerry (BWAHHHH) based on of the dumbest and funniest argument ever to be presented in a court of law.

His argument is that Ohio Supreme Court justice candidate Connaley (a Democrat) got more votes then Kerry in heavily Republican areas, thus there was a fraud. He based this idiotic argument on the fact that there is no way some lower candidate on the ballot can get more votes than the presidential candidate of his or her party. Here is how to debunk his argument in few seconds:

In the whole state of Ohio the Republican US Senator Voinovich got 580,000 votes more than President Bush, where as Kerry got 670,000 votes more than Connally the Ohio Supreme Court justice candidate.

Voinovich won most of the Ohio counties that President Bush lost. Even in the counties that both him and President Bush lost he still got more votes. For example in Cuayahoga county (Cleveland area) Voinovich got approximately 70,000 more votes than President Bush.

So if we have to apply the laughable argument of Arnebeck we should conclude there was much more fraud against President Bush than against John Kerry, and that President Bush should have won Ohio not only by 118,775 votes but by 698,775 votes!

[Carolab]

49. Typical

of course, they don't consider all the factors in this mix. Apples to oranges.

[IAMREALITY]

53. Don't Sweat It Buzzard

It is completely off base. They have left many details out and have taken Arnebecks theory completly out of its context. Even we here cried out those numbers when the report first came out, but then we got clarity as to how they arrived at those numbers and how it made sense.

Hey, let them think what they want though, there is far more coming from Arnebeck than just that alone.

Listen, My advice? Sleep Verrrrry Veryyyyyyy Well Tonight. They are startin to sweat over there.... (ewww, did you ever smell freeper sweat? It's like when you drive by a farm during manure season)

[buzzard]

56. Thanks IAMREALITY

This is one Canadian among many who can't stand the thought of four more years of Bush. If I lived closer to Ohio I would be there too, in support of democracy and the decent Americans who have been hijacked by this administration. Sandy

[goldengreek]

60. Yeah, thanks a lot IAMREALITY.

I haven't been keeping up with the details of this case, so it's nice to know these bases are covered.

[Chili]

72. this part I can speak to

"Voinovich won most of the Ohio counties that President Bush lost. Even in the counties that both him and President Bush lost he still got more votes. For example in Cuayahoga county (Cleveland area) Voinovich got approximately 70,000 more votes than President Bush."

This shows this poster's total ignorance about Ohio politics. George Voinovich was a highly respected - even LIKED - mayor of Cleveland for a decade. He became mayor during a volatile time: when the primary issue at stake was bussing. He calmed all communities on all sides, and won the respect of Cleveland's African-Americans by working closely with the City Council. He later became governor, and performed with the same even, fair hand that he did as mayor. He built allegiances and loyalties that survive to this day, he will never be unseated. Of COURSE Voinovich got a lot of votes. This Connally judge, on the other hand, an African-American - a Clevelander - I'd never heard of her, and I LIVE HERE. It's absolutely preposterous to think that she would get heavy support in the same places Bush did when she was out-monied by the Republican in campaign funds by 7 to 1.

Debunk my ass.

[thanatonautos]

74. Great reply!

I lived in Kent for only three years, and even I remember
Voinovich's name very well. Your explanation makes it much
clearer to me why Voinovich garnered considerable support in
Cuyahoga County and makes it even clearer that Conally had
no business being well known and supported by Republicans in
heavily Republican areas.

Also, Cuyahoga county has on the order of 1,000,000 registered
voters in 2004, with a turnout of about 65%, so 70,000 is only a
crossover of 10%.

Such a crossover rate, for a well-known, and well-liked
Senator and former Mayor, certainly shouldn't raise any eyebrows.

[Darknyte7]

79. Thanks for the background knowledge n/t

[sam sarrha]

10. did they accuse us of hacking into the machines and throwing the election

Bu$h..????

[mcscajun]

11. "8 of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote" ???

I saw this blurb among the regurgitations from the "Who's Watching thread..."

Did a quick search...seems it grew on its own from "could have registered..." to "were registered."

Amazing what people will believe, eh? If I'm mistaken, somebody correct, please.

[thanatonautos]

76. Correction. 23 of the 19 hijackers were US citizens!

Or close to that anyway. We know they all came from Canada :)

[Brundle_Fly]

84. easy....

We Canadians are a little sick of the sliming going on of late....

we are sensitive, but reactionary too.

[thanatonautos]

85. No offense intended ... that was supposed to be satirical.

I was aiming to sound like a freeper.

Anyway, I'm a dual citizen, US + Canada.

How can you tell if that's true?

Because I just apologised. I hear on MSNBC
that we Canadians are always apologising for
things :)

[Brundle_Fly]

86. I was joking regardless.

should insert my overly sensitive tags.

</ end sensitivity >

[thanatonautos]

88. Oversensitivity is our fundamental right as Canadians

no need at all for tags :)

Canadian Bill of Rights

An Act for the Recognition and Protection of Human
Rights and Fundamental Freedoms

...

Therefore Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the
Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:


1. It is hereby recognized and declared that in Canada
there have existed and shall continue to exist without
discrimination by reason of race, national origin, colour,
religion or sex, the following human rights and fundamental
freedoms, namely,

...

(g) the right of the individual to become
overly sensitive at the drop of a hat

...

I can't seem to find anything as sensible as
that in the US Bill of Rights ... maybe we
could push for a constitutional amendment?

[noclonyofthechimp]

12. Very very interesting! Their friends in the press or something to that

degree? "They have it under control?" They sound a little scared to me.

[Skink]

15. They must think they are being watched...

:hi:

[noclonyofthechimp]

29. That's because they are!

:smoke:

[SaintAnne]

14. I hope they're scared

would make my day. I've been scared for almost a month :scared: . time for them to freak about some stuff.
they sound like they don't surf the web at all, they must totally depend on their own brains or FOX for news. so sad so sad.

[thanatonautos]

16. What's the matter, don't they have confidence in Kenneth Blackwell?

He and his Diebold buddies can surely watch the store.

It was nice to see that at least one freeper has
his panties in a knot.

But reading the comments over there ... BLECCH!

[KaliTracy]

31. deleted

[pick_a_dilly]

19. man i wish . . .

i did not keep getting booted from duh FREEkie REnubLICK . . .

i would love farkel with those 1/2 wits . . . maybe i will register again . . . hahaha they are scared.

i love how they think that their media clowns are not addressing this cause it is meritless...

[skids]

21. I'm resisting the temptation.

To go create a new username there like "5LA543R" and post a reply
to the effect of:

AWWW P00R FR33PEr R U SC4R3D?

ALL Y0R V0TES R B3L0N6 2 U5!

[New Earth]

25. lolll

[noclonyofthechimp]

30. LOL! What is that?

[skids]

69. See here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

and here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allyourbase

I tried, but I just couldn't resist, and I am ashamed to say, I just did something. I won't say what, because it is too disgraceful. And probably nothing will come of it. But if it does, someone PM me, I want to watch ;-)

[thanatonautos]

75. ?

h4x0r v <4/\/+ +34$3 v$ |1|< +#4+, VV<->4+ |)!|) v |)() ?

Sheesh, this 133t stuff is HARD to do!

[skids]

80. don't expect much, if anything.

6|\|44 6006|_3 17

(edit spelling in haxor is hard)

[thanatonautos]

83. ub3r nt

[Patsy Stone]

35. Great!

LOL. You made me laugh loudly...

[thanatonautos]

70. Wiping coffee off of screen n/t

[Blue Diadem]

22. One thing that I have learned about freepers

Freepers always accuse democrats of the things the repukes have done or will do.

I wish we had a debate board because I would like to jump into their thread without getting kicked out.

[ahyums]

28. I agree it's a bit of a shame actually that there isn't (as far as I know)

a real venue for debate on the internet. I would certainly enjoy it, I realize it's not really workable because you would probably end up with no end of abuse slung from both ends and nothing really constructive being discussed, the anonymous nature of the internet certainly heightens that danger. All the same if it could be done I think it would be interesting and there might even be something to be learnt from it.

[yodermon]

52. there is one

many, actually, on Usenet.
go to http://groups.google.com , search for
alt.politics.bush
alt.impeach.bush for example

(direct link)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/threads?gvc=2

Your assessment is right; endless mudslinging, very low signal-to-noise ratio. Used to read there a lot until I found DU :toast:
Now I am much less hi-strung ;)

[Pepper32]

48. Yes, they are the masters of projecting... n/t

[Griffy]

23. PLZ.. look at this reply .. we should be ready for this

A reply to the article was...

""Are you sure? Some attorney on the Dim side is filing some lawsuit on Monday. But I'm glad not much attention is being paid to this but what little attention that is happening..why aren't our guys (tv pundits) talking about this and killing this in case it gets big?""


Watch for it !

[TexasChick]

27. Is this Freeptard too retarded to realize the TV Pundits are on his side

and not talking about this to keep it under wraps? I mean, if they were talking about it, it would grow more legs and become huge! Mmdaayyy!! :crazy:

[bunny planet]

57. Yes they are that stupid. Amazing isn't it?

[seito]

26. lol Thanks, I needed that n/t

[KaliTracy]

32. how far did you read?

There is an interesting "counter" argument about the number of Vonavich votes compared to Bush Votes Posted 1:07 PST

[Darknyte7]

34. I saw that too...

I don't know whether that's true, and if so how that compares to previous patterns in those precincts.

[KaliTracy]

39. Where's Our Stat Guys?

:)

[thanatonautos]

71. The argument actually debunks itself, I think. Just read it carefully.

Then think about the actual races a bit.

(1) `His argument is that Ohio Supreme Court justice candidate
Connaley (a Democrat) got more votes then Kerry in heavily
Republican areas, thus there was a fraud. He based this idiotic
argument on the fact that there is no way some lower candidate on the ballot can get more votes than the presidential candidate of his or her party. Here is how to debunk his argument in few seconds.'

(2) `In the whole state of Ohio the Republican US Senator Voinovich
got 580,000 votes more than President Bush, where as Kerry got
670,000 votes more than Connally the Ohio Supreme Court justice candidate.'

(3) `Voinovich won most of the Ohio counties that President Bush
lost. Even in the counties that both him and President Bush lost
he still got more votes. For example in Cuayahoga county (Cleveland area) Voinovich got approximately 70,000 more votes than President Bush.'

Sure. But, Cuyahoga county is really big, isn't it?
This has Cleveland in it, if I remember right from
when I lived in Kent.

(I) The whole state of Ohio is a lot less Democratic
or Republican than its individual counties and certainly
than its individual precincts can be, when looked at one by
one. Heavily Republican areas could be 70%-80%
Republican, probably 90-100% in some precincts.
Ohio, overall, is much closer to neutral, when
measured across results in all races.

(II) A senate candidate is not a downticket candidate
in the same way that a judgeship candidate is. Voinovich
has huge name recognition, Senate races get a lot of coverage.
At least in New York, I practically never have any idea who the
local judges are that are running. Very little money is spent
on them. Now, it's true that this judge ran in a statewide race,
but if there wasn't much money spent on the campaign, then it
is very funny indeed for that judge, if the party
affiliation is mentioned on the ballot, to get more votes
than the Democratic candidate for President did in, say
80% Republican areas. It's very hard to believe that
Republicans in such an area provided the extra votes,
if there are a lot of them, and you then really must
ask why Democrats came out to vote for the basically
unknown judge, BUT DID NOT ALSO VOTE FOR KERRY.

So it's really a pretty stupid counterargument, I believe,
as long as there are no facts that I have wrong here.

[madison2000]

33. The attitude on the other side is so arrogant

I have posted about the possibility of election fraud on supposedly neutral messageboards and found that the responses were similar. Its turned around to point back at the dems, downplayed, and most of all ridiculed. Do these people really not know how low their own party is capable of sinking? Is there even one example of fraud or unethical behavior committed by Democrats to affect the vote?

The good news is that they are too blind to their own viciousness to be prepared with a defense.

And the stereotypes are just wonderful: There are all too many “Birkenstock Techies,” Cyber-Anarchists, etc, who know exactly how to do the very things they accuse our side of doing – hacking into the computerized records and changing them in their favour.

[KaliTracy]

37. see it was all an elaborate Dem plan

to smear * and his guys -- the Dems committed massive fraud and voter suppression making sure that * got more votes... so that they could then pay a lot of bucks to call for a recount, get lawyers, hold hearings, etc.... all to make * look bad -- when it's so well known that he won "fair and square"

(mixed message intential)

[bunny planet]

58. oh my I am LOL!

[buzzard]

38. Please debunk this. About Arnebeck's reason for recount.

This attorney that you are referring to is called Arnebeck and he is filing a law suit to overturn the election results in Ohio and give to Kerry (BWAHHHH) based on of the dumbest and funniest argument ever to be presented in a court of law.

"His argument is that Ohio Supreme Court justice candidate Connaley (a Democrat) got more votes then Kerry in heavily Republican areas, thus there was a fraud. He based this idiotic argument on the fact that there is no way some lower candidate on the ballot can get more votes than the presidential candidate of his or her party. Here is how to debunk his argument in few seconds:

In the whole state of Ohio the Republican US Senator Voinovich got 580,000 votes more than President Bush, where as Kerry got 670,000 votes more than Connally the Ohio Supreme Court justice candidate.

Voinovich won most of the Ohio counties that President Bush lost. Even in the counties that both him and President Bush lost he still got more votes. For example in Cuayahoga county (Cleveland area) Voinovich got approximately 70,000 more votes than President Bush.

So if we have to apply the laughable argument of Arnebeck we should conclude there was much more fraud against President Bush than against John Kerry, and that President Bush should have won Ohio not only by 118,775 votes but by 698,775 votes!"

[buzzard]

40. Sorry should all be in quotes.

[buddysmellgood]

51. I think there is a big difference between a supreme court candidate and

a senate candidate. Republicans don't cross the ticket to vote for liberal black women.

[goldengreek]

41. Will they ever take responsibility for anything?

I notice this guy's blaming the French for the embarrassment over the yellow-cake uranium. No mention of Bob Novak. No mention of the fact that if it were a French set-up, it was a transparently stupid one. Nobody with any credibility believed that story.


Sad, pathetic fools.

[driver8]

54. Never!

It is really funny how nothing is the freepers' fault. They will not take responsibility for anything unless it is something good -- even if they had nothing to do with it.

These people are amazing -- sad, but amazing.

[Catherine Vincent]

42. just want to say...

that it sounds like one of those posters is DUer.:-)

[Pepper32]

47. It may be...

Whatever is happening, they sure are paranoid. And with good reason :)

[DemGa]

43. Much brighter here

That is a dark and dismal place.

[VTGold]

45. they think we're like them - because they're like them :) n/t

[Pepper32]

46. LMAO... What a pathetic attempt to rally the wacky GOP party.

And their naive replies are more hilarious than the article or whatever that was. Can't wait for Monday. :D

On Edit: fixed typo

[bunny planet]

55. My God they are soooooo stupid it is beyond comprehension.

'Got it'

[googly]

68. which is why Kerry can't possibly lose to stupid Bush

[Doremus]

59. Sheesh .... now I need a shower.

That site gave me the creeps. It's hard to believe there are that many hateful, ignorant people!

Blecccchhhhh.

[Darknyte7]

61. 3 hours 3 minutes...

Before someone over there let them know we're discussing the thread. I thought response time might be better. :D

[KaliTracy]

62. lol

[JoMama49]

63. Someone on the Mike Savage Discussion Board

Sent me this link when I asked about election fraud in Ohio?

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2674756&nav=0Ra7U30s

Anyone else seen this?

[Vote4Kerry]

64. Despicable..and they even mention DU..n/t

[jhgatiss]

65. We have to get rid of the MOTOR VOTER LAW?

Never post that stuff in here again. I don't want to believe people this DUMB exist! :(

[RevCheesehead]

67. You guys are brave!

I won't go there, not just on principle, but I'm afraid my computer might contract some kind of cyber-STD!

Your comments are amusing, though! :)

[seito]

81. lol "cyber-STD" n/t

[proudtobeadem]

77. Guys, LOOK at this :

I got this from the same thread further down
This is somethnig to worry about -who is guarding the evidence???

To: DIM1
The possibility that the machines can be tampered with to ill effect after an election may be more realistic than many people realize, because there is precedent for it. I just tried to call this up in a web search, but found nothing that discussed the controversy, but there was an election stolen in the Louisiana gubernatorial primary -- yes I know we're talking about Louisiana, but bear with me, it's my state and I know the history of election fraud as well as anyone because of that -- in 1979.

Here in Louisiana people vote on the mechanical voting machines in which you close the curtain by pulling the main lever upon entry, then you pull the switches for the candidates and referenda choices, and then cast your vote by pulling the main lever, which records your vote and you leave. Our state law is that the votes are reported on election night after being recorded by the precinct commissioners, the machines are then "sealed" by belted wire and "tagged" to show the seal is intact, the machines are then brought "under seal" to a central collection warehouse in the parish and the following Tuesday the machines are reopened and the votes recorded then and there are the "official" votes counted, forget what is reported on election night, those numbers are "unofficial."

In the gubernatorial election of 1979 on election night returns showed Republican David Treen leading a field of six viable candidates, the other five were all Democrats , with the second place finisher being then Lt. Governor, Democrat Jimmy Fitzmorris. But when the machines were opened the ensuing Tuesday, Fitzmorris lost his runoff spot to another Democrat, Louis Lambert, a Public Service Commissioner who had the backing of organized labor. A lot of evidence from testimony was produced to show that the "official" returns did not match what precinct commissioners from something like twelve precincts in two or three parishes observed and reported on election night and some arrests were made of individuals who evidently broke into the machines and altered the numbers. But in spite of all this, the courts would not overturn the "official" count because none of the individuals arrested would testify to the fraud and the clock was ticking for the runoff.

The evidence that the election had been stolen by someone messing with the voting machines after election day was overwhelmingly obvious to everyone who viewed the situation objectively. Do you doubt me on this? Well how's this for evidence . . . after Fitzmorris dropped his court challenge all four of the Democrats who were beaten in the primary endorsed the Republican David Treen for Governor! This is no lie! They were known as the "Gang of Four" and included the Democrat Speaker of the Louisiana House, Bubba Henry; the Democrat Floor Leader of the State Senate Edgar Mouton; a prominent Democratic State Senator Paul Hardy, who would later become a Republican and be elected Secretary of State; and the aforementioned Lt. Governor and Democrat Jimmy Fitzmorris. Treen narrowly won election in the runoff and became the first Republican Governor of Louisiana since Reconstruction.

So my advice to everyone is not to take lightly what DIM1 puts up in his post. There is both ample room for mischief after the machines are used on election night and a precedent within the political history of the Democratic Party.

27 posted on 12/10/2004 12:12:46 PM PST by StJacques
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