Blackwell Lockdown and More Suspicious Activity in Greene County Ohio

[dzika]

I thought that this story deserved a new thread.

A story was posted this morning that said Blackwell had ordered the lockdown of Board of Election (BOE) records in Greene County Ohio.


Here is the original posting from "Twist_U_Up"
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwell-locks-out-recount-volunteers.html

Subject: Blackwell Locks Down Ohio Voting Records Breaking news, more to come. This afternoon, two election volunteers working with the Ohio recount were denied further access to public voting records in Greene County Ohio. At the Greene County Board of Elections in Xenia, two California women working with the recount coalition (CASE and the Green party) were copying public records and requesting access to other voting records, per Ohio statute. The Board was told by Secretary of State Blackwell's office to deny any further access to voting records, a clear violation of statute. Apparently, the quote was: "These records are no longer public. There is a lockdown on all Ohio voting records." Ohio is no longer the Ukraine. Ohio is now Soviet bloc and Blackwell has made his office the Politburo

Also posted at Radio Left:
http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/11/202779.html

MORE NEWS FROM GREENE COUNTY OHIO:

I just spoke to Katrina Sumner who's cell phone is listed at the end of this story:
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/ohio-election-investigation-thwarted.html

Katrina is at the Greene County BOE in Ohio right now. She said they got their early this morning to begin canvasing.

They noticed a light on in the building that was not on last night. They checked the door and the BOE in Greene County and it was unlocked. She suspects that it had been unlocked all night!

This would mean that the Voting Records that Mr. Blackwell "locked down" were available for anyone who decided to walk into the building during the night, according to Katrina.

She has sent the earlier story to her media contacts but this new information has not been reported because they are waiting on law enforcement and lawyers.

Stay tuned... it sounds like we will be hearing more soon.




The original thread is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=140551

EDIT: Fixed link for Radio Left

[dzika]

1. kick n/t

[mzmolly]

2. Rottener and rottener.

:(

[nofurylike]

3. thank you, dzika! please keep us informed on this. major! n/t

[ClintCooper2003]

4. Blackwell is at it again. Sigh.

[texpatriot2004]

5. Radio Left link not working

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. radio left or newspaper.?.. and no story on homepage...

http://www.portclintonnewsherald.com/

[Viva_La_Revolution]

30. here's the Radio left link...

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/11/202779.html

[dzika]

32. Radio Left Link

is here:
http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/11/202779.html

[loritooker]

6. House Judiciary contact is

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/contact.html
I e mailed John Conyers, in case he hasn't heard.

[EMunster]

7. kick

[ClintCooper2003]

8. Bush did very well in Greene County - here are the results:

Bush 48,377 61.0%
Kerry 30,530 38.5%
Other 365 .5%

stats available at uselectionatlas.org

[roseBudd]

82. Greene County home to Triad GS was a punch card county tabulated by Triad

[tridim]

9. We need to hire security for all the vote locations..

Watergate was nothing compared to this crap.

[shraby]

12. Link to portclintonnews herald doesn't work.

Get page not found.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

129. A little LATE for that

Unfortunately they have had over a month to mess around with these records. Where are the pro-democracy citizens and organizations of Ohio in all of this? It is frustrating as hell to be 500-1000-1500 miles away and find out no one is minding the store there...

[LiberalAndProud]

11. Will anything less than a revote be acceptable?

If doors are left open, and records can be stolen before they can be examined, how is it possible the the General Election in Ohio can stand?

Mr. Blackwell hasn't stonewalled with the finesse that Ms. Harris managed. Perhaps he hasn't had as many helps as she did.

[momzno1]

14. In florida 2000 the fraud machine stopped everything before

we had nearly this much evidence...

[loritooker]

21. This would seem to strengthen Arnebeck's suit

This is just speculation, but Blackwell's actions seem extremely unreasoned. Do you think he's sort of a loose cannon, and did this on his own? This type of thing would seem to only strenghten Cliff Arnebeck's case that there was widespread election fraud. I only hope the repukes are pulling their hair out over this stunt.

[ailsagirl]

40. That's what I was thinking

Katherine Blackwell is certainly acting like someone who is trying to HIDE something and where there's smoke, there's FIRE. I hope Arnebeck is apprised of this

[dzika]

13. They had evidence of fraud "in their hands"

I spoke to Katrina again.

She says that there *IS* fraud in Greene County and they had the evidence in their hands yesterday before Blackwell ordered the records to be locked down.

If they had been allowed to make photo copies, we would be in "in a lot better shape", says Katrina.

Expect another update later this afternoon.

[New Earth]

15. Holy @#@#@

souonds too good to be true

[Lenore]

16. digital cameras and hand scanners

We need to hook up the Ohio teams with small digital cameras so they can at least take pictures of the pages they are viewing. Using a high pixel digital camera would allow for the document to be enlarged for better viewing at a later date and then compaired to the documents that are eventually turned over. Just my thought...

[glitch]

24. And a very good one - Welcome to DU! nt

[Pepper32]

60. Great idea! n/t

[ccarter84]

112. good idea...

who has a few spare digicams...that don't suck like mine does (3 second charge time...ouchie)

[Lenore]

183. thank you to those who so warmly welcomed me

I have been lingering for months now. I tried to register to post pre election but had trouble with getting the confirmation email, most likely due to AOL spam controls or something similarly stupid.

In any event now here I am!

I have an Olympus 2020z that I will donate towards this in the moment documentation if anyone knows who it is that would be appropriate to take such a donation/idea to. The 2020z is a mere 2 mega pixel camera but I have found it actually does a better job of taking usable pictures of black and white documents than my E-20, a maxed out 5 pixel Olympus that I use professionally.

Pictures of papers work GREAT if one turns off the flash (the glare often makes the text unreadable) and uses macro mode...

Anyways, it is nice to be here and thanks again for the welcome!

[Liberty Belle]

17. Kick! Forward this to the mainstream media.

[chomskysright]

171. I've moved it around to colleges/ newspapers OH

[sunnystarr]

18. Well now we know why Blackwell locked them down! (nt)

[tridim]

20. Wow.. Just wow.

Are there security cameras in the building? You might want to ask her, because I would be extremely surprised if there weren't cameras. If we catch the 'clean up crew' red handed it would be a huge break.

[loritooker]

23. He won't get away with this.

[spotbird]

39. Yes he will, there is no one to stop him.

It doesn't matter if we know what went on, we are just nutty conspiracy theorists.

There are no checks and balances, without them who is going to stop Blackwell?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

130. Who stopped Katherine Harris in 2000?

She refused to add in votes that were counted before her recount deadline, after she SAID she would, because she had already "certified" the votes. Look what SCOTUS got away with. This cannot go on much longer or there will be riots.

[mackdaddy]

25. How about Photos of pages with a Digi Camera?

I wonder if it were possible to copy the books by using a small Digital Camera? I used my older 2mpixel camera with a macro mode to take photos of documents for storage and it is much faster than a scanner and very readable.

Probably some prohibition against it, but then only if they catch you.

[FredStembottom]

37. Yes. Small, feature-less, 2 Mpixel cameras

The expensive ones have hundreds of settings that can be set wrong and result in no pix.

Just $49.00 "door-buster" point-and shoot cheapies from Costco would be plenty good!
:thumbsup:

[Pepper32]

57. Interesting...

However, the correct statement may be that there WAS fraud in Greene County. Who knows how much has been "stolen" since they left the building open? I just hope they don't get away with this.

We need to start expecting the worse from repukes and preparing accordingly. However, who would have thought that Blackwell would lose his mind and boldly jeopardize his job and freedom? And who would have thought that they would leave the building open for "someone" to come and clean up the fraud? Maybe we need our own Private Investigators to keep a watch on things.

The FBI and CIA appear to be looking the other way.

[dzika]

19. Please continue to send the original story to the MSM

I feel like this story has been independently confirmed by Katrina who is at the Greene County BOE in Ohio.

Please send the original story of the lock down to media and other contacts. We need to get this out there.

Thanks!

[Helga Scow Stern]

56. Call TV stations in big cities around the country.

They love action stories like this, and can afford to jump on it.

The DU media blaster is great for finding some of them. Call them if you can--there's a newstip number on most websites. This is a hot news tip. And it's going to get even hotter.

Media Blaster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster

[davidlynch]

121. Hey Ojai Person, I'm An Ojai Person Too

Ojai Person, who are you?

[genieroze]

22. What a *&#%$*& dirtbag. eom

[mdb]

26. How about what they used at abu-gharib? Cell phone cameras.

Very unsuspecting.

[texpatriot2004]

27. kickin mad about this

[New Earth]

28. new names for Blackwell?

Blockwell? Blockbad?

[seito]

31. lol n/t

[stella2cat]

33. how 'bout BlackHOLE, as that's where the votes seem to have gone

[insane_cratic_gal]

52. Can we nick name him

Roadblock? he seems he finds every chance he can to throw one up.

RoadBlock-Blackwell

[New Earth]

53. lol

[scurvy_n_disastrous]

62. a break-in 30 years on... Ohio-gate! nt

[Clark2008]

131. Or Greenegate.. lol

eom

[marylanddem]

66. I love it

Ken "Roadblock" Blackwell, at it again. What a p.o.s.

[EMunster]

29. I still can't understand why the lockdown wasn't big news yesterday n/t

Why only this afternoon?

[dzika]

35. I don't think that the story

was released until this morning. At least, that was the impression I got from Katrina.

[hootinholler]

45. I'm with you there...

And the other thing is they got there early AM and are still waitning for police response at 2PM ???

WTF?

This is smells like a plant to me.

We need substantiation here.

-Hoot

[dzika]

75. I'm not sure about the timeline

with regard to law enforcement.

Katrina seemed more concerned about waiting for the lawyers before publicizing this part of the story. Maybe there is nothing to it but an unlocked BOE that had its' records locked the day before is very strange. It's hard for me to imagine that a BOE employee would just leave the door unlocked especially after the unusual act of blocking access to the records.

You're right. Something doesn't add up. I do think Katrina is just telling it like she sees it. She and Joan aren't making this story up.

Katrina said she would send out an email late this afternoon. Hopefully, the details will be included.

[hootinholler]

124. Just got off the phone with..

Joan. I believe she is sincere. We had a pleasant rambling conversation. Could this be a red herring or plant/diversion? Yes. I doubt it, but if it is, I believe that she not is behind it.

Things we spoke about:

They are currently still camped out staking out the BOE building. They got there around 11AM and found the building open and unoccupied. Response by police was not timely (she didn't time them guessed 15 mins to an hour).

A BOE person showed up, they were able to walk through the building making observations.

Apparently, During last week, they were looking into a high % of no shows from Central State U. They were researching names to canvas on campus to ask why they didn't vote.

The University Provost was initially helpful or at least unobstructive in their contacting students.

I am starting a new thread: US National Radio Media Blast request to ask for Central State students that attempted to vote to send an email to [e-mail]

[chomskysright]

172. I talked to Joan Quinn also today: her e mail:

[e-mail]

[Shalom]

34. OUTRAGE!!!! & JOY!!!

OUTRAGE at Uncle Tom Blackheart and the Fascist repigs who are now covering up their fraud before our very eyes!!!

JOY at the fact that the repig fascist pedophiles are up against the wall !!

[Helga Scow Stern]

36. ASK THE INTERNATIONAL MONITORS TO MAKE A STRONG STATEMENT

They know there was fraud, they just don't think it matters because Kerry conceded.

Tell them we need for them to issue a strong statement to the international and US press.
Tell them:

1) The issue is not over because Kerry conceded; we, the citizens of the US, have a right for the world to know that our election was fraudulent.

2) The Bush administration is stonewalling our efforts to get at the truth.

Beg them!!!!

[e-mail]

[e-mail]

and write Danish Reporter because he has access to some of them:
[e-mail]

Mention the connection between Greene County and Triad if it is something you know about.

[EMunster]

38. kick

[loritooker]

Kick

[EMunster]

41. kick

[EMunster]

42. kick

[EMunster]

44. kick kick

[seito]

43. And so it begins...

Watch how fast the rats flee this sinking ship.

[texpatriot2004]

46. They obviously have somethings to hide, or why would they

behave in this way. It only makes them look worse and appear more guilty. I guess that's their only option becuase if they didn't object they would lose.

[Jersey Devil]

67. Maybe they were inviting someone to steal something vital

so they could say later, "Oops, the thieves must have taken it when we accidentally left the door unlocked."

[Shalom]

81. Absolutely Correct: Question Is, Did They Destroy the Evidence Already ?

[LiberalAndProud]

47. Is Blackwell falling on his own sword?

I think so.

[texpatriot2004]

48. He's digging his own grave. Smell the desperation? n/t

[Quakerfriend]

50. Do you think his WH friends

wiil look the other way, and let him take the fall??

[texpatriot2004]

55. Absolutely! Katherine will be on his own. They won't touch him

with a ten foot pole. What do you think?

[Shalom]

Remember Ollie North shredded documents, ...

and saved Ronnie Raygun and Bushitler Sr. from impeachment and the slammer ?

Remember also, they GOT AWAY wih Iran-Contra.

Even Nazi North's felony conviction was overturned, and the Repigs had the gall to field him as candidate for the US Senate afterwards.

This time THEY NEED TO BE PUT DOWN, SO THEY WILL STAY DOWN !!

[LiberalAndProud]

83. I think his WH friends are hoping really hard that

they can keep the scandal local to the State of Ohio. Blackwell and cohorts did not finnesse the election tampering well enough and they got caught.

Blackwell will become the sacrificial lamb offered up by the Powers That Be.

[bobbieinok]

138. don't forget..he's BLACK and therefore EXPENDABLE

[texpatriot2004]

49. So, what's the news about the building being open? n/t

[EMunster]

51. Would love to know what's going on....

[insane_cratic_gal]

59. kick nt.

[Name removed]

54. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[lip-sink]

58. how to find out what is going on in greeen NOW???

[EMunster]

61. kick

[texpatriot2004]

63. kick it

[lip-sink]

64. chop

[pointsoflight]

65. Olbermann is looking into the lockdown...

...according to an e-mail reply.

[Terre]

69. And we have to WAIT till Monday for his take?

Gosh I really do sometimes HATE the weekends, ya know?

Can you share what he said, and did he mention whether he'd post any info on a new Bloggermann?

LOL - Sorry for all the questions

[pointsoflight]

73. Just "Thanks, we're looking into it."

Short and sweet.

[Terre]

74. Thanks

At least he replied - Gotta LOVE that guy!

[ValleyGirl]

76. you forgot the floaty hearts!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

tee hee (sorry)

[momzno1]

98. He blogs on the weekends though... nt

[Cookie wookie]

68. kick

[Digit]

70. Someone post some email addresses to get letters out.

I already sent some, but need more links. I figure others could use the links as well. Critical mass, ya know.
Since I can't walk very well or march, it is the least I can do!

[texpatriot2004]

71. DU already has a thread for this, I can't search for it, but it exists

[chomskysright]

174. I have written these people and more already today

I picked up all the Greene county government officials. Then I went to the newspapers in OH and the college papers.



LETTER TO THE EDITOR

Many people from outside OH are not in your state in order to recount the vote. The permission to do this was legally obtained. We are being blockaded at every point by Secretary of State, J. Kenneth Blackwell. He is illegally removing public records from certified recount individuals. This morning, in Greene county. retired attorney Joan Quinn and a retired board of elections official from California went to the Greene county BOE-----to find that the door was left unlocked and the voting records were unprotected.

Mr. Blackwell and others who maintain the voting records can be be impeached while in office if misdemeanors are committed.

Please support the scrupulous recounting of the vote in OH. There have been many problems in your state."

END OF LETTER TO THE EDITOR




This is what I have sent to your state's officials and one associated matters re: impeachment re: misdemeanors:

According to this site, an official can be impeached if he/she commits a misdeameanor while in office.

Misdemeanor in office
FL, KY, ME, NB, NJ, OH

Misdemeanor in office
(Ohio Rev. Code Ann. , Art. 2 §§ 23 and 24)xii
xii “Misdemeanor” is probably used in this section in the generic sense of “misdeed. ” (Editor’s Comment)

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2004/rpt/2004-R-0146.htm



LETTER I SENT OUT TO YOUR OFFICIALS

Marsha V. Hammond, PhD: Licensed Psychologist
e mail: [e-mail]

December 11, 2004


Hello:

The citizens of the US----who are necessarily tethered to the OH count-----as related to simply obtaining a correct and scrupulously counted vote------are being illegally blocked from overviewing the OH vote. We wish we didn't have to bother you; however, that is not possible and we need immediate access to public voting records.

This is what took place yesterday, Friday: (see this URL for verification: http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwell-locks-out-recount-volunteers.html


Dayton, Ohio Friday December 10, 2004

On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for the Ohio Recount team assigned to Greene County were in process recording voting information from minority precincts in Greene County, and were stopped mid-count by a surprise order from Secretary of State Blackwell’s office. The Director Board of Elections stated that “all voter records for the state of Ohio were “locked-down,” and now they are not considered public records.”

The volunteers were working with voter printouts received directly from Carole Garman, Director, Greene County Board of Elections. Joan Quinn and Eve Roberson, retired attorney and election official respectively, were hand-copying voter discrepancies from precinct voting books on behalf of the presidential candidates Mr. Cobb (Green) and Mr. Badnarik Libertarian) who had requested the recount.

One of the goals of the recount was to determine how many minority voters were unable to vote or denied voting at the polls. Upon requesting copies of precinct records from predominantly minority precincts, Ms. Garman contacted Secretary of State Blackwell’s office and spoke to Pat Wolfe, Election Administrator. Ms. Wolfe told Ms. Garman to assert that all voter records for the State of Ohio were “locked down” and that they are “not considered public records.”

Quinn and Roberson asked specifically for the legal authority authorizing Mr. Blackwell to “lock down” public records. Garman stated that it was the Secretary of State’s decision. Ohio statute requires the Directors of Boards of Election to comply with public requests for inspection and copying of public election records. As the volunteer team continued recording information from the precinct records in question, Garman entered the room and stated she was withdrawing permission to inspect or copy any voting records at the Board of Elections. Garman then physically removed the precinct book from Ms. Roberson’s hands. They later requested the records again from Garman’s office, which was again denied.

Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26 that requires all election records to be made available for public inspection and copying. ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public records filed in the office of the Board of Elections. Finally, ORC Sec. 3599.42 clearly states: “A violation of any provision of Title XXXV (35) of the Revised Code constitutes a prima facie case of election fraud within the purview of such Title.”

It is illegal what is taking place in your county.

I am hopeful that we can move forward with this recount which has been obtained through legal channels.

Sincerely,

Marsha V. Hammond, PhD: Licensed Psychologist




Jill D. Robinette, Clerk, Bellwood City
Mr. Madden: Commissioner, Greene county
Lucia W. Ball, Clerk, Beavercreek City
Fairborn City Clerk
Xenia City Clerk
Bowersville City
Yellow Springs Village
Bath Township
Caesers Creek Township
Cedarville Township
Jefferson Township
Miami Township
Ross Township
Sugar Creek Township
Xenia Township
Greene County Educational Service Center
Beavercreek Board of Education
Fiarborn Board of Education
Greenview Board of Education
Sugar Creek Board of Education
Xenia Board of Education

here are their addresses in the same sequence: sorry for the jumble:

[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],www.miamitownship.net,[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],fairborn.k12.oh.us,[e-mail],www.sugarcreek.k12.oh.us,www.xenia.k12.oh.us,[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail],[e-mail]


Steve Austria: State Senator:[phone]
State: The Statehouse, Senate Bldg., Rm. 041, Columbus 43215-4276 [phone]

Kevin Dewine: State Representative, 70th District: Toll Free #: 1-800-282-0253

Chris Widener: State Representative, 84th District: Office: 77 South High St., 11th Floor, Columbus, Ohio 43215 Toll Free#:1-800-282-0253
E-Mail: [e-mail] [phone]

Governor Bob Taft: 77 S. High St. 30th Floor [phone]
Columbus, Ohio 43215 Fax [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

Lt. Governor Jennette Bradley ( 4 Year Term Commencing 2nd Monday in January)
77 S. High St. 30th Floor [phone]
Columbus, Ohio 43215 Fax [phone]

( 4 Year Term Commencing 2nd Monday in January)
J. KENNETH BLACKWELL [phone]
180 East Broad Street, 16th Floor Fax [phone]
Columbus, Ohio 43215 Email: [e-mail]
Toll Free #: 1-877-767-6446

U.S. SENATE
George Voinovich (6 Year Term Commencing January 3) [phone]
37 W. Broad St. Room 310
Columbus, Ohio 43215
317 Hart Senate Building [phone]
Washington, D.C. 20510 Fax [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

Michael DeWine
100 W. Main St. 2nd Floor [phone]
Xenia, Ohio 45385 Fax [phone]
37 W. Broad St. Room 300
Columbus, Ohio 43215 [phone]
Fax [phone]
140 Russell Senate Office Building [phone]
Washington DC 20510 Fax [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

[rockedthevoteinMA]

96. Here DU's own media blaster and independent media source too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blast...

and courtesy of tommcintyre:

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm

New and Improved!

Now you can use the National Media Blaster* to reach the top 98 national media contacts with just one click of your email send button! And, if you choose, you can reach a total of 391 with just three more clicks!

In addition, there is a "Tell Everyone You Know" page that will enable you to quickly email all your personal contacts.

[ValleyGirl]

72. Sickening!

:wtf:
Thank you for letting us know. Just when I thought this Blackwell idiot couldn't disgust me any more, he outdoes himself. I'm sure he will again and again next week too. I hope his butt gets arrested. :grr:

[texpatriot2004]

77. I can't wait to hear what's up there with the building?

[texpatriot2004]

78. So, should we have people watching these places 24-7 ?

[MelissaB]

117. That's exactly what I'm thinking.

I don't think it would be a bad idea to let Roadblock know he is being watched, too.

[mod mom]

137. already done

[dzika]

79. Ways to get this story to the media

There have been a lot of great suggestions. Please excuse me for not mentioning the author of each suggestion.


DU MEDIA BLASTER:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster

and this is a large list of national media sources http://www.rumormillnews.com/MEDIA_EMAIL_ADDRESSES.htm


INTERNATIONAL MONITORS:
Tell them we need for them to issue a strong statement to the international and US press.
Tell them:
1) The issue is not over because Kerry conceded; we, the citizens of the US, have a right for the world to know that our election was fraudulent.
2) The Bush administration is stonewalling our efforts to get at the truth.
Beg them!!!!
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

and write Danish Reporter because he has access to some of them:
[e-mail]

Mention the connection between Greene County and Triad if it is something you know about.


CONTACT BLACKWELL:
I have just updated Blackwell action to reflect this new info
http://www.stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html#blackwell

Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell
Email: [e-mail]
Phone: [phone] (New)Fax: [phone]
TOLL FREE: 1 877 767 3453

You can also contact Ohio media
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/?command=state_search&state=oh

C. You can contact the Ohio Governor at http://governor.ohio.gov/contactinfopage.asp phone: [phone]

[loritooker]

90. I have e mailed many of the the San Francisco media outlets

[Duer 157099]

80. could this be a set-up?

I can't keep up with all the posts on this so don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but:

Could the door being left unlocked have been bait, so that the volunteers could find it unlocked, and then later be accused of having entered and tampered with records?

I do hope that whoever discovered it being unlocked was so careful about how they handled it, so there is NO CHANCE they could be accused of having done anything.

This reeks so badly; has the story been absolutely confirmed yet?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

84. still unfolding....

not verified yet. Keep looking for clues guys.... I feel like Nancy Drew! :P

[shraby]

85. Is there anyway to verify the story

It came from one blog only and spread from there.

I googled the phone numbers and
[phone] is listed for a Peter Jones and
[phone] came up as "not match any documents"

[phone] - Cell phones are not there.

937 is an Ohio prefix.

[texpatriot2004]

86. It was verified in a post above on this thread.

Someone called and spoke with someone whose number was on the blog.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

93. careful now....

someone 'said' they spoke to them..... I'd prefer more info before I can put validity to this.

[chomskysright]

175. I talked to Joan Quinn this a.m. who found the door unlocked

here is her e mail address: [e-mail];

here is the original lead with further info re: telephone numbers:



This is what took place yesterday, Friday: (see this URL for verification: http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwell-locks-out-recount-volunteers.html

[Shalom]

88. Any DU'ers Near the Site with Video Cameras ???

If the MSM won't film the site, a little amateur footage would do just fine: stage it like you are a news anchor on the site, walk up to the security guards and ask questions, create a little news scene...

WE DON'T NEED THE MSM: WE CAN FILM EVENTS AND POST THEM BY OURSELVES!

INSTEAD OF THE THE MSM, LET'S START THE LSM: Left (and proud of it) Stream Media !

[dzika]

115. Caller ID

When Kristen called me from her cell phone the caller-ID simply said "Dayton Ohio". It's not unusual to have city of the billing address displayed when calling from a cell phone.

I can't get through right now as I am certain they are verifying this story to anyone and everyone. I will try to record the next phone conversation if possible.

[Blue_In_AK]

156. Dayton

Dayton is quite close to Xenia.

[GettysbergII]

150. I called and spoke to Peter Jones

His place is being used as the office of the Greene County Ohio Recount team. He verified the story when down as stated, and he's the one that put the Ohio lagal code citations in. Apparently the Geene County Office of Elections didn't realize that the two doddering little old ladies were really a couple of retired lawyers that knew exactly what they were looking for. Peter Jones also staed they found evidence of fraud there before being given the heave ho

[Viva_La_Revolution]

107. Will Pitt speach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x142237

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[dzika]

87. I have talked to the person that made the discovery of the open door.

I believe that they did find a light on and the door unlocked. I know of no other independent confirmation of this part of the story. My understanding is that law enforcement and lawyers have been contacted regarding this issue.

For now, does it make sense to alert the media to the lock down of records in Greene County?

I'm sure that if there is anything to the "unlocked door" story then we will be hearing more about it soon enough.

[stella2cat]

89. dzika talked to one of the ladies and I talked to another

I think as important an issue is that they took away the public records

[adolfo]

92. Cover Story

This would be a perfect cover. Think about it,

Blackwell: someone must have broken into the office.....

plausible deniability.

[EFerrari]

91. Love the Left Stream Media Idea but can we all email the NYT

with the original story? We can say outright that it hasn't been confirmed.

It's an outrage that they didn't cover the Conyer's hearing. If they don't cover this, their standing as the "paper of record" will go publicly into the can.

Whaddya think?

[EFerrari]

95. Contact information for the NYT

Contact:

Executive Editor Bill Keller at 212/556-7799
Fax to News Department at 212/556-7614
E-mail News Department at [e-mail]

If these numbers don't work, the general number is 212/556-1234

Write the New York Times at:

Bill Keller
Executive Editor
New York Times
229 W. 43rd St., NY, NY, 10036-3959

The public editor is Daniel Okrent, at [e-mail]

[loritooker]

99. Done!

[chomskysright]

178. done again

[Shalom]

102. Thanks sfexpat....But Let's Flush Them Into the Open

Might put them to shame, esp. because right now we need someone to chronicle the events in real time.

Example: Someone said they "spoke" to the people who witnessed the open door, etc.

Why not get the testimony on tape, and offer it to the MSM, if and only if they start covering this story ?

If I lived in Ohio, I'd be flying down the freeway to scene of the crime....

[EFerrari]

103. I know! Never have I so wanted to be in Cleveland! n/t

[texpatriot2004]

94. Are T Hartmann, Randi R, etc on the air weekends? Has this

been sent to them?

[dogindia]

97. kick

[EFerrari]

100. They also did this on a FRIDAY

Man, these guys are good. It's perfect timing. Anything that happens on a Fri goes right under the radar UNLESS WE MAKE A LOT OF NOISE

[dzika]

101. I agree.

MAKE A LOT OF NOISE!

Notice that they dumped Kerik on Friday too.

[Shalom]

105. dzika, since you got the ball rolling.....

Could you please comment of the idea of getting some of our people with videocams to the scene of the crime RIGHT NOW (ya gotta credit Bev Harris with this approach, not waiting for the MSM):

Right now we need someone to chronicle the events in real time.

Example: Someone said they "spoke" to the people who witnessed the open door, etc.

Why not get the testimony on tape, and offer it to the MSM, if and only if they start covering this story ?

If I lived in Ohio, I'd be flying down the freeway to scene of the crime....

Shalom

[EFerrari]

106. kick

[dzika]

104. From a comment on Daily KOs

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/12/11/101617/90/79#79
Sat Dec 11th, 2004 at 11:07:36 PST

"I just got back from a recount info meeting, and I wonder if this has something to do with some concerns that I heard in the meeting.

"The county coordinator said that in some counties that they have
been able to get the pollworkers' signed vote totals, oftentimes
those totals have not matched up with the vote totals that Columbus
certified and reported to the state. It appears that there have
been a lot of small overages---8, 10, 12, etc here and there....all
trending towards Republican.

"Now, there should be no reason for the signed pollworkers and county
numbers to differ from the state numbers...so something is
happening. I wasn't sure what was going on, but it appears that
Blackwell is refusing to disclose the certified state figures for
each county. The county coordinator has requested the information
several times, so that she can reconcile the state figures with the
county and precinct figures, but he is not letting them do that and
will not release the figures. This is public info, so he has no
legal authority to do this, but he's doing it anyways.

[EMunster]

108. Wow

[EMunster]

110. I meant WOW

[Vinnie From Indy]

116. WOW is right!

I have felt in my heart that this election was not right, but I always had the nagging question in regard to the likelihood that a broad conspiracy could stay together undetected and on the issue of partisan poll observers. I have been to many a Dem. headquarters on election night and their is always a precinct committeemen or ward chairman running around with their tally sheet to show the candidates and party officials that they were able to get out the vote in their area. If the election was hacked at the tabulator or county level, it would seem the local precinct people that signed the machine tapes would immediately notice a discrepancy between the later certified result and their election night tally. If it is true that Blackwell's office is not releasing the precinct data for reconciliation with the precinct workers election night tallies, something is very wrong. I may be mistaken, but I always thought that these numbers HAD to be reconciled BEFORE certification.

[texpatriot2004]

118. I agree something is very wrong...and I thought the #'s had to

be reconciled before certification too.

[Chili]

123. Holy smokes...

...I just did some real quick calculations on the fly, and, if you added just 12 votes - just 12 - to every precinct in just Cuyahoga County alone, that would be 17,268 votes, just right there.

If you did something similar in each county... look how easy it would be.

Easy.

[EFerrari]

109. Anyone call Blair at the Cobb campaign yet?

We shouldn't flood him, of course, but we need to coordinate with the Greens -- too easy to make missteps in all this excitement?

Anyone?

[EFerrari]

114. I emailed Holly asking for what help they'd prefer n/t

[Terre]

140. Blair replies to my email. . .

we're looking into it.

thanks,

Blair Bobier, Media Coordinator
Cobb-LaMarche
www.votecobb.org
541.929.5755

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Reply is exactly as KO's. They must be getting mountains of mail.

My letter to Blair below:

----- Original Message -----
From: Terre
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:42 AM
Subject: ALERT! and INFO needed regarding: Voter Records in Ohio on Lockdown?


Hello Blair,

I'm very concerned about a report I just read that states:

From: http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwell-locks-out-recount-volunteers.html

"On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for the Ohio Recount team assigned to Greene County were in process recording voting information from minority precincts in Greene County, and were stopped mid-count by a surprise order from Secretary of State Blackwell's office. The Director Board of Elections stated that "all voter records for the state of Ohio were "locked-down," and now they are not considered public records."

People at DU and dKos are going crazy knowing that this may be true. Can you shed any light on this issue, and if true, what are your next plans? Is there anything that we can do to help via long distance?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just got back home, and haven't read any new posts. Any updates regarding this?

[EFerrari]

157. I've talked to him twice. He's stand up n/t

[texpatriot2004]

111. What about Amy Goodman at Democracy Now, email to her

[ccarter84]

113. screw it, lets get a mass of ppl and storm the boe

j/k but i'm getting really frustrated being so far away

[EFerrari]

119. I called & emailed the LA Times National Desk

I want to be IN COLUMBUS, can't, but can do this.

LA Times has been less mendacious than the others.

Email: [e-mail]

Keep it up, let them know we're not going away this time.

[dzika]

120. Not related, Just FYI

I got a note from someone working with the www.nov3.us site. They are working on getting electors from blue states to possibly cast "provisional" votes. The idea is that the elector's votes would be provisional based on Congress investigating irregularities prior to the vote being counted. My understanding is this would slow down the process of electors casting their votes for President.

If it works it could result in more time for recounts or more media exposure for voter rights and fraud.

From the email:
"We have electors willing to do something in Massachusetts and in California, interest in Vermont, possibly Maine and folks are trying to reach electors in Washington, Illinois, and New York - Grace "

[EFerrari]

122. AWESOME. Can we get a list (did I miss it?) to contact these guys

I'm in CA, and have access to 5k email list. Help me, I'm stupid, lol. Who are my electors?!

[dzika]

126. You didn't miss it.

If an email campaign is needed and as soon as there is a coherent message for the electors, we will start a new thread with details.

Thanks for your help.

For now, please get out the story about the problems with getting access to records in Ohio.

[EFerrari]

128. Thanks. There goes my weekend ; ) n/t

[EFerrari]

127. whatreallyhappened.com has posted this original to their site

Might not be a bad idea to submit this to the sites where we are trusted and where we trust.

[Senator]

125. Please start a new thread for this...

...if you haven't already. It's important.

And if you will, please have your friend contact our group: [e-mail]

We can get going on NJ immediately and it would help to know what tactics are working for them and how many other electors ours will/may be joining in protest.

Thanks.
www.thedeanpeople.org

[dzika]

133. To: Senator

Senator, Just sent you a PM with contact info. I don't have enough info to start a thread on this yet.

[AzDar]

132. Kick!!

[EFerrari]

134. Kick

[angrydemocrat]

135. It Is Time To Rip Kathrine Blackwell.....

A new ass over all this! This lying cheating sorry ass bastard needs to go down!!! GRRRRH! I hate these damn people! :grr: :grr: :grr:

[texpatriot2004]

136. Katherine Blackwell definitely needs to go...to JAIL! Who does

he think he is? I don't get it. How did we become the old Soviet Union sort of country? How can they get away with this kind of behavior? WTF?

[EFerrari]

139. Call, email everyone you can think of

or this will just go to bed with the rest of the weekend.

J3sus, it's the perfect crime: a weekend during the holiday season. That's how stupid they think we are. Remember, we were supposed to stop "the terrorists" by SHOPPING!

Please let's be loud, really loud. With our email, our calls, our networking. I don't want to sing "Hail to the Thief" again!

[EFerrari]

145. Email Cr*pNotNew & MendacitySuppliedNightly

msnbc: [e-mail]

cnn: this is a form.

www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form6a.html?2

And ask them if they've heard Blackwell is blocking a legal recount in Ohio?

[rumpel]

159. Gave CNN Newstip the KOS link

[BlueDog2u]

166. I've sent this

Dear News Media Representative:

Like many Americans I am deeply disturbed by widespread reports of voter suppression, tabulation irregularities, and hints of possible fraud in the 2004 elections. As you are no doubt aware, a preponderance of these complaints come from the states of Ohio and Florida.

Yesterday in Ohio occurred an event which seems to confirm the worst suspicions that under Republican Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell -- State Chairman for the Bush Campaign -- Ohio election officials have engaged in illegal actions designed to pad the vote for Blackwell's candidate.

Yesterday two election volunteers working with the Ohio recount were denied further access to public voting records in Greene County Ohio. At the Greene County Board of Elections in Xenia, two California women working with the recount coalition (CASE and the Green party) were copying public records and requesting access to other voting records, per Ohio statute. The Board was told by Secretary of State Blackwell's office to deny any further access to voting records, a clear violation of statute. Apparently, the quote was: "These records are no longer public. There is a lockdown on all Ohio voting records."

One of these volunteers has since confirmed that the documents they were investigating when Blackwell's order came down showed clear evidence of fraudulent activity. Please join the American people in investigating this and other irregularities which have marred the 2004 election cycle.

Sincerely,






Details: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x141557

[angrydemocrat]

141. I hope like hell.......

We bring this sorry bastard down and his ass goes to jail!!! Hell this is crazy if this bastard is allowed to get away with this shit! This is the kind of crap that really pisses me off especially when you have repukes screaming about democracy in other countries when it is obvious we don't even have it in our own country! :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[texpatriot2004]

142. The United States of Hypocrisy under BushCo

[BlueDog2u]

143. kick!/nt

[dzika]

144. No update yet. 7PM ET.

Kristen has been on the phone all afternoon (hopefully talking to reporters).

I still haven't seen this story show up in any media.

[roseBudd]

146. Blackwell RECUSE graphic

Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download the high res files for printing

[EFerrari]

147. If it doesn't show up, after all our effort, we'll know something n/t

[EFerrari]

148. AP has filed another red herring.

Contact: [e-mail]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/12/11/state0318EST0015.DTL

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Saturday, December 11, 2004 (AP)
Doubts persist about integrity of Nov. 2 election
RACHEL KONRAD, Associated Press Writer


(12-11) 00:18 PST (AP) --
As the Electoral College prepares to certify President
Bush's re-election
on Monday, concerns persist about the integrity of the
nation's voting
system -- particularly in Ohio, where details continue to
emerge of
technology failures, voter confusion and overcrowded
polling stations in
minority and poor neighborhoods.
Few mainstream politicians dispute Bush's victory, and
the incumbent's 35
million-vote margin nationwide was wider than any of the
reported
problems, which included insufficient or incomplete
provisional ballots
and, in some places, brazen partisan shenanigans.

[shraby]

149. That's 3.5 million vote margin in the article,

not 35 million.

[EFerrari]

155. They don't even think we're paying attention. (Surprise!) n/t

[karlrschneider]

160. Aw, shucks, what's a little decimal point among friends?...

:eyes:

[dzika]

151. A small update... 7:30 PM ET

Katrina has talked to Link TV and Xenia Gazette regarding this story. It was a very short call and I should know more in about 30 minutes.

EDIT: fixed name spelling

[EFerrari]

152. Thanks for your work on this today

I woke up my networks, contacted NYT, SFChron, LAT.

This really isn't a spectator sport, is it <g>?

[EFerrari]

153. Holly from the Cobb campaign emailed me &

she said that she believed this story was true & that she knows there are lawyers doing battle. No more info than that.

[EMunster]

154. Thank you for the updates.

[Stop Shrub]

158. do something about it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x142725

[dzika]

161. We're talking now...

Lot's of interruptions. Just give me another 30 minutes for an update.

[texpatriot2004]

162. kick

[Junkdrawer]

163. Does anyone know where the ballots are kept in the various Ohio counties?

Perhaps these places should be put under a Citizen's Watch?

:shrug:

[dzika]

164. Ballots are kept at BOE in each county

I'm on hold. Still trying to get a few questions answered.

[stella2cat]

167. thanks for your perseverance, you're doing great n/t

[Terre]

170. Time for a new UPDATE thread?

This, and the other thread, is getting quite long. My 56k modem doth protest.

Thanks dzika for the terrific effort you've put into this to keep us informed.

[texpatriot2004]

181. I wanted to know this too. Should we be watching them 24-7

[mdb]

165. I wrote Ray Beckerman about his article.

He wrote back saying, "My new version has a press release".

[loritooker]

168. Dzika, Marc Ash from Truthout is going to call Katrina

about the post that you made saying she had the evidence of fraud in her hands right before the lockdown..I PMed to you about it...but this is all I really had to say--so since you've been keeping in touch with her, I just wanted you to know. He just wanted to see if he could get her on record.

[rumpel]

169. Just sent Newstip to MediaChannel.org

Has global journalist affliates

http://www.mediachannel.org/affiliates/all/

[shraby]

173. I'll set up a new thread

The new thread is here:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x142934>

[McCamy Taylor]

176. $#%^&*#$$!

[dzika]

177. Update - Saturday 9 PM ET

First of all, I wrote Katrina's name as "Kristen" in an earlier post. I don't know what I was thinking.

We got cut off before we could finish the call but I hope this info will help. I wrote this up kind of fast so please excuse the mistakes.

One more thing, Katrina can only be contacted by cell phone right now so if you send email to the media then please include her cell phone number (937-608-5861) or they will have a difficult time confirming this story.

Katrina said that "I definitely have some very good news." but couldn't share it on advice of the attorney. If you read this closely you might be able to figure it out.

Here is the basic timeline of events:

Friday - Katrina, Joan and Eve arrive at Geeene County BOE to gather information needed to canvas African-American voters.

Friday, 3:30 PM Friday - Eve and Joan are informed that voter records are "locked down" and they have to stop viewing the records.

Friday, 10:30 PM - Katrina stops by the BOE to see if there is anything strange going on. All lights were off.

Saturday, 8:30 AM - Katrina, Joan and Eve are first to arrive at BOE. They notice that one lights in the building is on.
They check the door and it is unlocked. They enter the building and call out but no one is there so they leave the building.
A few minutes later, they enter the building again and "did something to make sure that other people could tell that no one was there."
(Katrina says that this may give us some hint as to the good news that she can't yet share.)

The local TV station WDTN Channel 2 (PBS or Link TV) and Xenia Gazette are contacted.

WDTN and Xenia gazette arrive at BOE and contact Law enforcement.

Saturday, 11:00 PM - Local law enforcement arrives and checks out the building. Law enforcement can't detect tampering with the door or inside the building.
Law enforcement contacts a locksmith who makes a new key for the door. The locksmith also claims that the door was not forced or picked. At least, we think it was a locksmith because the sign on the truck said "Heating and Air".

Saturday, 12:00 PM - Carol Garmin with BOE arrives. She is interviewed by WDTN and Xenia Gazette. She claims that the door was accidentally left unlocked. She can't explain how the light came on between Friday at 10:30 PM and Saturday at 8:30 AM.

Saturday afternoon - A call has gone out asking for people to help watch the BOE in Greene County 24 hours a day. They are using digital cameras with video capture in case anything else suspicious happens. If you can help in this effort, please contact Katrina at 937-608-5861. You can also contact Peter Jones at 937-320-9680. If you need a place to stay then Peter may be able to help. They need help watching this building. Please try to help if you can.

Here's a little more background:
Katrina says that they were canvasing the minority vote in Greene County because they new the day after the election that something was wrong. For example, Precinct 440 is an African American Precinct with two Universities each having about 1500 African-American students. The town in this precinct is also predominately African-American. According to their records there should be about 3200 registered African-American voters in this precinct. Yet the BOE only has 678 registered African-American voters. Also, in this precinct, Kerry only received a total of 58 votes. Based on these numbers they knew that the vote needed to be canvased.

That's all I was able to put together before we were cut off.

[dzika]

179. This above update was also posted to the thread #3

New Thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x142934

[berniew1]

182. why aren't more people in Ohio looking at the vote rolls; like these folks

Lots of interesting things on the voting log books. Someone should be counting how many signed in. Whether lots of signatures that are same handwriting? Whether the vote totals make sense for the people registered in that precinct. Little things add up to a lot.

[McCamy Taylor]

180. anything forged with a pen can be detected...

...by specialists who can tell you if something was written two days ago as opposed to a month ago. So, if the fraud was writing in the names of GOPers in voter sign in logs to explain Bush votes, the fraud will be easy as pie to uncover.

[senegal1]

184. kick

[proudbluestater]

185. These people should all be calling the state police

this shit cannot be allowed to continue. I would most certainly be calling the state police in many of these situations. The law does not just apply to Democrats. Repukes are NOT excused.