Who's in for the long fight?

[smartvoter]

I have believed from the beginning -- because of the concession -- that getting in front of this train and stopping it before the inauguration was like pushing water up hill. But I'm wet, nonetheless, and trying my damnedest.

However, I'm in for the long battle on this one, regardless of what happens on inauguration day.

[radwriter0555]

1. I think of it as waiting for Hitler to be unseated.

I firmly believe it will take a world united to unseat the PNAC/BFEE.

I give it 10-15 years.

[meganmonkey]

2. It's all about the long haul.

I hope everyone here sees it that way. It would be encouraging if all the armchair activists here would get out to some rallies once and awhile, at the very least. It's embarrassing to the movement to see all the passion and excitement on the boards and have practically no one actually get off their asses and do something about it.

[bush_is_wacko]

4. I attended my first

this weekend. Well, actually I have done a few at the local level. Definitely will do more!

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I wish I could post the photos but

we have had three actions in San Diego, so far... and more are coming

I agree wiht you. I get tired, but we need leaders... we are those leaders... and god damit we need to get off these confy chairs

(you and I are obviously doing it, but you know what I mean)

[meganmonkey]

19. Thank you & bush is wacko for doing what you do

and keep doing it. We can't give up. I just see all these people saying things like 'If it's not about getting Kerry in, then it's over'...And then in 2006 and 2008 they'll be bitching that elections are stolen again...It just kind of saddens me, because we DO need more real activism, people who will at least make it to protests on weekends, for goodness' sake. And people who see what the big picture on this is.

[smartvoter]

23. Amen. n/t

[bush_is_wacko]

3. You Betcha!

The inauguration of our UNELECTED dictator, will not stop me from trying to get his @$$ out of office, either by impeachment, scandal, or election reform before 2008!

[texpatriot2004]

5. I was just wondering the same thing last night. I'm in! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. It will take a sudden rise of the Missery Index

this is history... and yes I am in this for the long haul. This is the beginings of a new civil rights movement, the last one took ten years.

[Name removed]

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[neversaynever]

11. ONLY if JK is inaugurated on Jan 20 is there a "long run"

in any other case, we are f*cking doomed. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, imho, delusional and/or in denial.

I would prefer not to seek another country on Jan 20, but if the chimp is in, I'm out.

I feel sorry for anyone who chooses to stay.

[smartvoter]

13. Far be it for me to come between you and your move, but

if no one fights it here, nothing changes.

[neversaynever]

24. well, my friend, me and "my people" (i.e. indian people)

have been fighting for this country and against oppression, war, genocide, greed and everything the "foundering fathers" brought with them for 500 years. I left this country--my HOMELAND in the truest sense of the word -- in 1984 as a result of the Reagan results. I stayed gone for almost a decade.

You do not KNOW how it would break my heart to have to leave again, and I'm trying my damndest to prevent that from happening. My decision is highly personal: I know I will NOT survive another four years of this shit (and the worst part about it is the apathy of the american people in general -- of course not DUers, because they are among the few who are putting up a fight).

Far be it from me to presume that liberals in this country might be interested in a Native American perspective on all these issues, but here's one...

I Love the Smell of Cold Turkey in the Morning: A Week in the Life of America
http://www.america-patriots.com/Friedberg-1.html

[meganmonkey]

21. Too bad you missed the username change amnesty period

with that attitude you're sure as hell not living up to it, IMHO.

[neversaynever]

26. well, buddy, let's compare credit card accounts and

activities over the last 6 weeks, then we can talk about who's living up to what, OK?

I'm afraid what we're doing now is what we should have been doing before and after 2000. We may well have missed the F*cking boat.

Yeah, I should change my name to

neversayneverbeforejanuary20

[meganmonkey]

27. What does that have to do with anything?

I prefer not to share my credit card info with strangers, thank you very much. And I do not really care how much money you have donated to something, it that's what you're implying. That has nothing to do with what I said to you. I was reacting to fact that you responded on a thread titled "who's in it for the long fight?" with a totally negative answer, specifically:
"we are f*cking doomed. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, imho, delusional and/or in denial"
which contrasted humorously with your username, so I pointed it out.

You and I both know that if everyone gives up after January 20, then you're right, we are doomed. And given another post of yours on this thread, it seems you understand that changing entire political systems and institutions takes some time.
If you want to give up, fine, but don't spew your negativity on a thread asking who IS willing to stick it out.

[neversaynever]

30. you still don't get MY point:

if we do not succeed in overturning this election, then we are de facto living in a full-scale dictatorship and we have no chance of overturning that from within. It will take large-scale international intervention (which is what I'd hoped for in this case).

My point is that if you think there's anything to salvage once the Shrub is inaugurated, you're kidding yourself.

You call it negative -- I call it realistic.

[meganmonkey]

34. And you don't get mine -

If everyone thinks like you do, then you ARE right. If no one thinks a fight is winnable, and they stop fighting it, it IS unwinnable. Gee, congrats. Keep spreading that attitude so nothing ever gets better for the rest of human existence. That's a lovely way to look at things. I hope being right makes you feel better then.

If you have more 'doom' you'd like to direct at me personally, send me a PM rather than sh*tting on this thread anymore.

[neversaynever]

38. Ok, I'll go "shit" on some wealthy black dems who might be able

to DO something before it is too late (with flyers and copies of Jesse Jackson's speech from Dec 8).... whatyou gonna do tonight to help us win the battle? Continue to flame me here on DU? Have fun, I'm gone.

[meganmonkey]

44. Please check your Inbox. I PMed you.

[neversaynever]

31. oh, and yes, i think it DOES matter to know how much you've

invested in this campaign, outside of posting on DU -- I'm not saying you haven't, but I do personally know at least one DUer who sits around reading the board all day and does NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING outside of that to seek to effect change. If you're one of those types (I'm not saying you are, I asked) I'm sorry I'm wasting my time,, money and energies on your behalf.

[Chimpanzee]

73. You're not sounding like your nickname - nerversaynever

[ClintCooper2003]

9. Oh, I'm in for the long fight, you can bet on that.

[Kota]

10. The long haul is where we have to win.

[crispini]

12. I'm in. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

14. Me too. I stand ready.

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. No matter what happens between now and Jan 20th

We must not allow Bush to be inaguarated. After that there will be no recourse.

[ClassWarrior]

17. There's impeachment.

NGU.

[DoYouEverWonder]

48. Not with the Repugs in control

People don't seem to realize that if W gets inaugurated, we can kiss what's left of our democracy goodbye.

[smartvoter]

18. What do you suggest we do, other than we're doing now? n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

49. All this and more

because we're not going to get another chance.

[ClassWarrior]

16. As long at it takes.

Never Give Up.

[txindy]

69. Absolutely.

:toast:

[seito]

20. Absolutely

"We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

-- John F. Kennedy

[meganmonkey]

25. Excellent quote, seito!

[seito]

35. When I read the title to the thread

this was the first thing that came to mind. This was the call that motivated John F. Kerry and so many others to serve this nation.

"Ask not what your country can do for you"

I think it applies as much today as it did then.

[angrydemocrat]

28. Excellent Quote From A Excellent Leader!

I have said I will fight these rightwing idiots all the way and that won't change! I will support any efforts to bring these nuts down! And that will include supporting John F. Kerry all the way in all of his efforts as well who I might remind is another EXCELLENT LEADER! I believe in all our efforts and feel they will pay off as well as I believe in John F. Kerry. I feel we all will be winners and the only losers will be Chimpee and his followers.

[seito]

33. It just seems to fit our situation

It is funny how history just keeps repeating itself. Every generation, patriots must be called upon to preserve our liberty.

This is our call to arms. We must not relent in this fight.

[tandem5]

22. I'm not going away... no matter what n/t

[pointsoflight]

29. Reporting for duty. n/t

[Siyahamba]

55. I agree...

with that quote of President Kerry's.

What I am able to do may not seem like much - donate money when I can, take time when I can to go to rallies, write letters to the media and officials - but if each of the 50,000 here at DU did just one of those things it would make a world of difference.

I know many here have done all that and more and it is much appreciated. :)

[EFerrari]

32. I'm in. But if they try to pull that FL rent-a-riot cr@p, I'm in OH

[seito]

36. If they try something with the Washington recount

I am in CA, and am up for a road trip.

No Retreat No Surrender

[proud patriot]

37. My first protest was in utero SF/Palo Alto spring of 1969

:D

[seito]

43. Mine was last Sunday

:bounce:

It felt GOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!

[proud patriot]

58. Quite healing actually

:hug:

[seito]

63. I could not help but think...

how 35 years ago, protesters were standing at the same place I stood calling on the Government to end the war in Vietnam and fighting for civil rights. It was a very humbling and moving experience.

[IAMREALITY]

39. NO RETREAT. NO SURRENDER. NOT EVER

[Quakerfriend]

41. Me too! kickty, kick!

[seito]

86. Not giving up this fight Reality

Keep the Faith

No Retreat No Surrender

[HeeBGBz]

40. "I have not yet begun to fight"

Seriously. I'm working on it. I'm trying to get my personal situation sorted where I might be able to "go mobile" and move around to where I might be needed most.

I'm not there yet.

I would participate in an event nearby now, if I wouldn't be the only one standing in a sea of fundementality. I don't like the idea of being a sole target.

I am sickened by the loss of my country and realize now what a mistake it is to not pay attention. It has changed me.

[Mister Ed]

42. Even if The Miracle happens, more battles lie ahead. I'm in. n/t

[GetTheRightVote]

45. Ditto to that HeeBGBz

But what I once was no longer lives but only what I am today, and this American is ready to sacrific all for the survival of one country based on Democracy which serves all of its citizens.

[Hobbes199]

46. As long at you don't mean 2008. I'm in it.

After inauguration day, I say we take it all the way back to 2000. Gore won Florida, we shouldn't have had Bush for the last 4 years. They stole Senate seats in 2002, and more this year. If they steal the Presidency again this year, it's just adding to the pile. And if by some miracle they don't get away with it, we need to uncover it all still, not just let it go. And be vigilant in 2006/8, when the exit poll anomalies won't be a factor, and fraud will be harder to notice because they're getting so damn good at it.

[marions ghost]

80. Yep goes back to 2000

...when the fissure opened with grave implications beyond 2008
2004 is the turning point
the way I see it the ship is floundering
all hands on deck

[marylanddem]

47. I'm in

There's no turning back. And freedom ain't free.

[meganmonkey]

50. Kick ass, kick kick!

[floridadem30]

51. I'm here with you for the long haul. N/T

[Digit]

52. I'm in

[MelissaB]

53. I'm in!

This election has changed my life, and I'm ready to fight for what I believe in. I'm new, but I'm learning.

[DemGa]

54. I'm in

Repugs have been tearing down Democrats since they got control of the congress in the nineties. We should take down * via the same route. Still hoping for good developments regarding Ohio etc. too.

[Griffy]

56. I live here... Im not leaving and I will fight to be free! nt

[atxryan]

57. for better or worse...

I'm in 'til the end... doing my part in any way I can!

-RYAN

[texpatriot2004]

59. That's the way atxryan and I'm with ya.

Hey I replied to you here, did you read it?

[texpatriot2004]

60. Hello my friend. Yes, I feel it. I got alot from our conversation

about this the other day. I too have been asking myself about that "line" in the sand. You know, at what point am I willing to risk? When is enough ENOUGH? How bad does it need to get before I am willing to take action? I think it's been coming for me since 2000. Four years of anger surfaced for me in November 2004. It first showed up the day I voted early. I was so angry casting that E-Vote. It has only been galvanized since that day...and it's growing. So, atxryan, if the Repugs threaten violence over this, is that the line in the sand we spoke of? That inevitable line that is drawn that demands a stand, a fight? What do you think?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x156625

PS I have the Florida Billboard thread. I found it to share with you. Didn't know if I should e-mail it or not?

[Imagevision]

61. Really, we've just begun

especially with conyers reply to Blackwells letter today...he really put dork Blackwell up against the wall bigtime.

Blackwell thinks he gonna schmooze this one thru...{Katherine harris did it...why can't I?}

[Slit Skirt]

62. I am in...please read these threads

there are two threads here that can help others help our cause

IF YOU'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THE LONG FIGHT, WE NEED TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF OHIO....AND WE NEED INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x159307

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=157380&mesg_id=157380


LOCALLY YOU CAN CREATE A SIMPLE FLYER AND POST IT EVERYWHERE POINTING OUT A FEW WEBSITES...WE HAVE TO BE OUR OWN MEDIA.....

ALSO ANOTHER GOOD IDEA IN DU TODAY WAS TO WRITE ON THE PAPER MONEY YOU USE SAYING VOTE FRAUD OR DID YOUR VOTE COUNT?

I hope that all DUers will take action...sitting in front of the computer bitching doesn't cut it.

as Bill Moyers put it "WE ARE IN THE FIGHT OF OUR LIVES"

GO DU.......LET'S ROCK THIS NATION!

[bunny planet]

64. me.

[Turn CO Blue]

65. As my mother would have said, "What the hell else are ya

going to be doing for the rest of your life?"


I am in it for the long haul, the duration, until the hefty soprano starts screeching!

[skids]

66. I fully expect to be doing something in 2006 and 2008.

Regardless of how 2004 efforts turn out, this can't stand. Save up your vacation time, folks.

[forintegrity]

67. I'm with ya! - kick n/t

[Straight Shooter]

68. Think of how women fought, and what they fought against, to get the vote

What good was all that, if our votes mean nothing?

Maybe one little ant can't stop a train, but if thousands and thousands pile onto the tracks, that Repub train is going to get derailed. They can't squish us all :)

I'm in it for the long haul.

[Greybnk48]

70. Count me in

After 2000 I thought just you wait 'til 2004. Well, no more Ms. nice guy. I won't be happy/satisfied until we bring this asshole to his knees. I can't believe what he and his minions have done to my/our country. If they commited crimes, and I truly believe they did, then I won't go quietly into the night this time.

And I don't care if there's another attack on us--no more circling the wagons. I don't care if there are five attacks. I'm not, and will never be "on board." Not this time.

[Higans]

71. Inauguration day Won't matter any way.

over 7,000 troops from Iraq now AWOL

Thats right Rumsfeld, we don't want to play with guns and get shot at in our Hummers or should I say big clumsy no armor SUV's. We the humans want Our Children to stop killing and come home. We have figured out this stupid little mess. Most of us did not vote for you.

The concession does not matter eaither. all that matters is that we the People know the Election was staged. We figured out that you don't count our votes. All of us have figured it out. All we have to do is nudge the sleepers awake.

Is E-Voting ME-Voting? Prove it!

[Bubblie]

72. I'm in!

[Chimpanzee]

74. I think I can speak for myself and my brother, Pharaoh

when I say - we're in until we get our democracy back!!

[Kellis]

75. Im In ------!

In it to win it.No matter how long it takes.

Our Democracy depends on it.

KICK!!
:kick:

[libertypirate]

76. Until we have the truth...

and the truth is counted!

[Kralizec]

77. I refuse to acknowledge * as a legit US President. n/t

[texpatriot2004]

81. I agree, me too, B* is not my president and he never will be!!!!!!

[Digit]

82. Same here. Won't even call him that.

[texpatriot2004]

84. Stupid slimy evil bastard isn't worthy of the title. n/t

[Griffy]

78. I AM

[New Earth]

79. kick

all things positive

[troubleinwinter]

83. Long, short and middle. ALL of it. There will be a LOT to do.

[seito]

85. Just like the Energizer Bunny

[IndyPriest]

87. First went to jail in 1969. Ready to go again!

[seito]

88. lol!!!

That is the year I was born. It will be a new experience for me.

[IndyPriest]

89. It's not that bad. Just take something to read!

[Time for change]

90. Yes, it's kind of like Watergate in '72

It would have been great to get Nixon out of there before his inauguration in '73. But having to wait until '74 was better than nothing.

[IndyPriest]

91. Lots of similarities

and in some ways it was better for the country to have the whole sordid affair broadcast for weeks on end in the hearings. If Nixon had lost in '72, the whole story might not have come out.

[Blue Christmas]

92. Count me in!

I've definitely surprised myself with how vigilant and active I've been on this front since 11/3. Normally, I'm more of a "fly on the wall" observer type, and when the exit polls tragically and magically morphed into kerry's "defeat," I spent the next day in denial and depression. Occasionally, when I did think about the prospects of the Illegitimate Bush Term: Part Deux, I thought I would just have to think of it as a "four year sick day" - i.e. crawl under the covers and treat myself with as much TLC as humanly possible.

On 11/5, though, a remarkable thing happened, and my "illness" alchemized into anger. And ever since, I've been fighting mad, and involving myself more and more in the fight against this fraudulent traveshamockery of democracy.

So I will be not only there for the protests and demonstrations on 1/6 and 1/20 (I've already asked for the time off from work!), but I will continue to fight until this fraud is exposed. I honestly don't think I could live with myself otherwise.

Keep fightin' the good fight, everyone!

[RevCheesehead]

94. Hi, Blue Christmas!

:hi: Glad you're here with us! (and welcome to DU!)

[Blue Christmas]

96. Hi, Rev!

Thanks for the welcome, and I'm glad to be here! I've actually been a DU reader for some time but have been a little shy when it comes to posting... :-)

[lonestarnot]

93. In!

:kick:

[RevCheesehead]

95. There really is no other option - if you choose to remain True Blue.

Never Give Up, Never Surrended!

[texpatriot2004]

97. Hey Rev, where does it say in the good book "be ye not

deceived" - seperate issue to this thread, just curious as it keeps running through my mind these days about all those "Conservative Compassionate Christians."

BTW I am still in for the long haul here.

[RevCheesehead]

98. um...could you be more specific? Deceived about what?

I'm not really into the "Good King Jimmy," so I don't reference verses in that manner.

My favorite verses about deception are Matthew 7:21-23
Not everyone who says to me "Lord, Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day, many will say to me, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?" Then I will declare to them "I never knew you; go away from me, you evil-doers."

My other thought is maybe you're refering to the later parables in Matthew. These are the "end-time" parables, that talk about the need to keep awake and be watchful - and beware the false messiahs.

[texpatriot2004]

99. I like your first quote but I was looking for the other that you

mentioned. You know, I am not really a Bible quoter. I mean, sometimes I can refer to a quote but it's rare that I can tell you exactly where it came from. Anyway, I was thinking of that verse "be ye not deceived" in terms of not falling for the false messiahs. I hate those end-time thinkers...and that book of Revelations scared the bejeezes out of me. I really think it was written for another time, a past time. I can't imagine it as a literal ending, not with a loving God. Anyway, that's what I was talking about. Thanks for your reply Rev.

[RevCheesehead]

101. Okey-Dokey

Take a look at Matthew, chapter 24, and Mark, chapter 13. Either of those have nice, long passages about the end-time, the return of the Son of Man, and false Messiahs.

Don't tell anyone I told you this, but Revelation sucks. It's a DREAM, a VISION! NOT literal truth!!!

Oh, and I'm not a Bible quoter, either. But I keep one near the computer, and can usually look things up pretty fast. But if someone says "chapter and verse," I usually have to look it up, too.

I had an aunt who used to send me cards and letters with a little scripture PS at the bottom of the page. Don't think I ever looked up any of them (but she was sweet to think of me).

[texpatriot2004]

103. So, do you think people who believe in the literal Revelations

can manifest it. You know, like what you think about you bring about? I don't know. If it's too goofy or out there to answer, don't worry. I know what you mean about the sweet Aunt with the scriptures. I will look in the books you have directed me to. Thank you. I won't tell anyone about your opinion on the last book. It's nice to hear though. It reminds me of something JFK, as in Kennedy, said so many years ago. He said it is a "dangerous and defeatist attitude" not to believe in the possibility of world peace. (Not an exact quote of course.)

O8)

[seito]

102. Tex, Is this what you are looking for

Luke 21:8

And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

[texpatriot2004]

105. Hey thanks Seito, I think that's it. Yeah. It seems fitting for now.

So nice of you to help out. Namaste.

[Brundle_Fly]

100. IN.

n/t

[RaulVB]

104. I'll be here!

"*" will be leaving long before I do.

Trust me!

[evolvenow]

106. Recreate the Template!!The human race is evolving...

we are in the in-between the old..which is crumbling and the new which we are creating.

I am in support of humanity becoming HumanKind!!:)

[LittleClarkie]

107. I'm there

2008 and beyond!