Every NM precinct with opti-scan machines gave more votes to Bush!

[AtLiberty]

Kerry just lost by 6000 votes in that state! Just heard this tidbit on the Laura Flanders Show.

Why oh why can't we get those machines confiscated and pried open?

[regularjoe]

1. What do you mean by "more votes to Bush?" More votes than voters

? or More votes than Kerry? Specifics? Sources? Thanks.

regularjoe

[skids]

2. See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x174758

[berniew1]

19. Strong Evidence Kerry Won New Mexico--Make sure recount happens

See this thread plus other 2 threads current on this subject plus the following which has lots of evidence and documentation

http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf

[AtLiberty]

3. More votes to Bush than Kerry...

The producer of Laura Flanders just reported this tidbit on the Air America Radio show.

Kerry didn't win in a single New Mexico precinct which used an opti-scan machine.

I urge you to listen to Laura Flanders right now...

[enough]

4. Must be another "default to Bush" situation

as discussed in this current thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=176637#

[berniew1]

5. could someone email me this thread URL ; I can't read it here

My computer won't read the ... URLs

email me at DU
berniew1

[bleever]

7. It's your own thread: "Analysts say a pattern..." n/t

[berniew1]

10. I'm talking about an earlier thread;

I saw the earlier thread and included the info in mine; but not the URL
I'm aware there is another current thread on N.M., but thats not the one i'm talking about. This one was a day or so ago.

[berniew1]

9. Analysts say pattern developing regarding machines set to Bush default

One pattern that is developing based on the experience of voters in Florida, New Mexico, Ohio, and elsewhere(especially swing states) is the the machines appear to have been set with a default to Bush. Then if a voter successfully punched the ballot for another candidate, Bush was replaced by that candidate. But it appears that in many cases the voter did not successfully accomplish this and in some cases it was hard or impossible to get the other candidate to register. This was a major problem in Mahoning county in Ohio, and possibly Mercer, but also occurred in many counties and several states. They had to replace some of the machines in counties like Mahoning after repeated attempts by techs to "recalibrate" the machines after widespread reports of problems. This also happened in Florida and New Mexico. But this means that Bush would get not only the votes of those who didn't notice that the punched candidate didn't register but any intentional non votes or accidental non votes or unsuccessfully completed votes. Quite an advantage. As much as 2 to 4% in some areas and even more perhaps in some minority areas.

[seabeyond]

14. texas and nm, hit straight dem ticket, preview showed bush

and the rest dems. knew from day one of early voting

[AtLiberty]

21. And those machines set to default...

...could have had source codes that ate themselves up at the end of election day, according to Clint Curtis.

In other words, the evidence would vanish automatically.

[berniew1]

32. Solid documentation of this type of vote machine fraud in Ohio

Mahoning County
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x181715

Full study: http://northnet.org/minstrel/youngstown.htm
Dr. Richard Phillips

[CementDude]

6. Here is a theory...

I've seen studies which indicate that, on average, Repub voters have lower IQs than Dem voters. So, since they're stupid - they're more likely to screw up ballots on election day. Given that, they might get more of their votes counted on certain "easier" to use systems than on other. While they may find chad punching to be a challenge, they may find "fill in the circle with a pencil" a little easier.

Just a theory.

[seito]

8. I don't think so.......lol!!! n/t

[smartvoter]

16. Hysterical, CementDude! nt

[BushSpeak]

27. They used to say this about black voters.

In the Florida 2000 vote in Gadsden county, one ballot out of eight was rejected. The media attributed this to the minority lower intelligence factor.

In 2002 they kicked out the Republican election supervisor and replaced him with one of their own. Result: one ballot out of 500 was rejected.

Instant smarts! This is a well tested remedy that I recommend highly on a nationwide level.

[fshrink]

11. With the numbers and a simple Chi-Square

you get a good statistical test of likelihood.

[Hamoth]

12. here's the nm source:

http://www.counterpunch.org/harrison12082004.html

"The two major machine errors involved voters who selected Kerry on an electronic touch screen and saw their vote change to Bush on a summary screen. The second was a specific problem with the Sequoia AVC Edge machine where voters saw preselected default choices presented to them. According to EFF and VFF, counties where the most serious problems were reported include Mahoning and Franklin County in Ohio, Broward and Palm Beach Counties Broward and Palm Beach in Florida, in Florida, Mercer and Philadelphia County in Pennsylvania, Harris County in Texas and Bernalillo County in New Mexico."

[seabeyond]

13. i was in new mexico all the time this summer and fall

and kerry had strong strong support. and i didnt not see the bush bumperstickers and yard signs. it was always nice leaving the panhandle of texas and getting in new mexico, would talk to everyone i ran into. would walk into a store and just jabber with all around. always was talking to kerry supporters. i dont believe at all bush won new mexico

[Pierre de Fermat]

15. One reason is...

"Why oh why can't we get those machines confiscated and pried open?"

One reason for this is the machines belong to the state, and most of the DU effort seems to be spent at the national level (US House and Senate.)

Confiscating voting machines would require a concentration of effort at the state level for each state of interest.

Many people want to amend the constitution in order to do away with the electoral college. This simply won't happen for reasons that have been discussed here several times. It might be easier to pass a constitutional amendment mandating common voting methodologies across all states. This would surely be a triumph.

[AtLiberty]

17. I meant legally when I stated...

"Why oh why can't we get those machines confiscated and pried open?"

[newyawker99]

25. Hi Pierre de Fermat!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[berniew1]

18. There is strong evidence/documentation Kerry won New Mexico

This thread plus the following URL which has lots of evidence plus the other N.M. thread current on DU; plus the other similar thread on touchscreens current;

http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf

MAKE SURE NEW MEXICO RECOUNT HAPPENS

[berniew1]

20. Kick as support for Kerry won New Mexico

See URLs, threads, EIRS cases, support, etc.

[The Flaming Red Head]

22. My e-mail I sent to the governor

http://www.governor.state.nm.us/constituentcontact.html

Why are you making it so hard for a recount to go forward? I thought you were a democrat, and one who may one day seek national office. Surely a recount is in your best interest to ensure the integrity of the vote.

[AtLiberty]

28. I'd settle for a court order to pry open random opti-scan...

...machines and check the paper ballots inside against the poll tape results.

[berniew1]

23. Links to other supporting documentation on the machine fraud in New Mexico

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=176532&mesg_id=176532

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x177375

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=176637&mesg_id=176637

[Goldeneye]

24. This is just another coincidence

that happened to be good news for bush.

[L. Coyote]

26. If You're Working on New Mexico Stats, I have a question....

I need a simplified breakdown of voting machine types, not the bloody model numbers I already have.

Here is the spreadsheet I want to sort by type of voting.

The percent non-votes looks rather unsuspicious, though I have not correlated with machine type yet. Only a quarter percent less than 2000.

[L. Coyote]

30. I found the answer on DU. Spreadsheet updated online. n/t

[corbett]

29. Because Sensenbrenner Is Chairman!

There's no doubt in my mind that even though Richardson is New Mexico's governor, the Land of Enchantment's voting machines were set to default to the shrub. As to the question of why we can't have those machines under subpoena, the answer is simple: Representative Sensenbrenner is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee!

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4816

[berniew1]

31. Link to N.Mexico fraud documentation thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x179612

[lonestarnot]

33. Post Office uses optical scanners that can read handwritten envelopes

BOE's should look into their machines.

[L. Coyote]

34. New Mexico Statistical Summary with Voting Type Comparison

I've completed the statistical summary of ten stats for fifty-two variables (ya gotta luv computers, esp. fill right!) and here is the comparison of non-votes in the 2000 and 2004 presidential races.

I sorted to three voting machine categories with 11 counties each, plus both E-voting vendors in one category (22 counties) and, of course, statewide with all 33 counties.

2000		2004			
					
Average Deviation:					
0.226		1.313		OpScan	
0.789		1.478		E-Voting Danather	
1.441		1.084		E-Voting Sequoia	
1.242		1.371		E-Voting All	
1.672		1.709		Statewide	
					
Covariance					
30.362		112.067		OpScan	
24.882		39.717		E-Voting Danather	
30.176		36.242		E-Voting Sequoia	
31.261		40.844		E-Voting All	
57.710		65.030		Statewide	
					
Mean (average)					
0.745		1.172		OpScan	
3.171		3.721		E-Voting Danather	
4.776		2.991		E-Voting Sequoia	
3.973		3.356		E-Voting All	
2.897		2.628		Statewide	
					
Skew					
0.983		3.279		OpScan	
0.457		0.008		E-Voting Danather	
1.654		1.595		E-Voting Sequoia	
1.936		0.660		E-Voting All	
1.291		0.922		Statewide	
					
Population Standard Deviation:					
0.270		2.291		OpScan	
0.990		1.715		E-Voting Danather	
2.125		1.580		E-Voting Sequoia	
1.841		1.689		E-Voting All	
2.145		2.171		Statewide	
					{/pre]
I suspect that the 2000 comparison will have utility to thse who know what machines were used in 2000.  

For 2004, the mean of 3.721% E-Voting Danather really stands out.

The spreadsheet is updated online for those who want to do in depth analysis.  

Here is a comparison with what happened in Ohio with non-votes.  Check out the standard deviation for E-voting!