Pattern of vote machine fraud documented in Ohio, New Mexico,Florida

[berniew1]

One pattern that has been developed based on the experience of voters in Florida, New Mexico, Ohio, and elsewhere(especially swing states) is the the machines appear to have been set with a default to Bush. Then if a voter successfully punched the ballot for another candidate, Bush was replaced by that candidate. But it appears that in many cases the voter did not successfully accomplish this and in some cases it was hard or impossible to get the other candidate to register. This was a major problem in Mahoning and Fairfield counties in Ohio, and possibly Mercer, but also occurred in many counties and several states(including Florida). They had to replace some of the machines in counties like Mahoning after repeated attempts by techs to "recalibrate" the machines after widespread reports of problems. This also happened in Florida and New Mexico. But this means that Bush would get not only the votes of those who didn't notice that the punched candidate didn't register but any intentional non votes or accidental non votes or unsuccessfully completed votes. Quite an advantage. As much as 2 to 4% in some areas and even more perhaps in some minority areas. This also has been demonstrated to have affected U.S. Senate races. See the EIRS case reports. I've posted some before and they are among the documentation on the threads.

The systematic voter suppression in New Mexico of minorities was even more flagrant than Ohio and Florida.
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf
Here are DU threads that include the documentation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=176532&mesg_id=176532

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x177375

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=176637&mesg_id=176637

(make sure the recount happens in New Mexico; the case there is clear and well documented and that case sets the pattern for the other states with similar patterns)

[berniew1]

1. Supporting documentation

See the EIRS case reports that include such cases:
Ohio
https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapState&state=Ohio&cat=ALL&tab=ALL
New Mexico
https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapState&state=NewMexico&cat=ALL&tab=ALL
Florida https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapState&tab=ALL&state=Florida

There was also widespread systematic voter suppression of minority voters in all 3 of
these states which was well documented from the EIRS cases as well as the following cases and
analysis, which also have further documentation on the vote machine manipulation patterns.

Ohio
www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=date&selectstate=OH&selectproblemtype=ALL
http://northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm
http://northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm
http://www.flcv.com/ohiov04.html
New Mexico
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=date&selectstate=NM&selectproblemtype=ALL
Florida
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=date&selectstate=FL&selectproblemtype=ALL
http://www.flcv.com/fla04EAS.html
http://www.flcv.com/flavi04.html

[Ellipsis]

2. me thinks thou doth protest too much!

Distraction from the task at hand.

[berniew1]

4. And what is the task at hand? Isn't this the whole point and only game?

[Ellipsis]

9. for you. Our future for me! n/t

[berniew1]

14. How many votes in Ohio, N.Mex, Florida have you documented fraud for?

This fraud pattern which has been documented in all 3 states, was enough to shift the election from Kerry to Bush in New Mexico for sure- that is Kerry clearly won N.Mex. and perhaps enough in Ohio and Florida with other known situations to change the vote there. With Kerry's majority of the still uncounted 93,000 undervotes(hanging chad in OHio).

[procinderella]

17. Way more to it than just the 93,000

Read the Ohio petition filed with the Ohio Supreme Court in its entirety. It gets really good on a county by county analysis of fraud in Ohio. www.FreePress.org

Systematic fraud is cropping up all over the place.

This document is the first legal challenge to Bush. And let's hope they can prove it!

I hypothesize Kerry at 61,000,000 and Bush at 54,000,000 are the real national numbers that were covered up!

I've been a campaigner since 1968, and I've usually called the elections right.

[zann725]

26. Sounds good enough to me!

You just made my day!

[glitch]

29. Wow - this is what my gut says. Really good to see you validating it.

I hope you are right. Thanks for posting!

[berniew1]

41. Why this pattern can produce a significant vote swing in close election

Under normal circumstances this would result in a swing as much as 2 to 4% in many areas. But since it is a matter of record that the default was hard to override and sometimes impossible as reported by
the EIRS reports and acknowleged by poll workers, only the most watchful or purposeful voters may have been able to successfully vote for a chosen non-Republican candidate. Thus the swing was likely much larger for some machines and even more in some minority precincts that appear to have been targeted to produce high levels of misvotes based on the large number of EIRS reports in minority precincts. There were also a few cases where precincts had machines set to default for a minor party candidate, but none observed to default to Kerry. These patterns have been confirmed by analysts and computer experts in several counties of each of these
states. Other similar default related patterns have also been observed in some of these areas, such as failure to register a presidential vote when a voter tried to vote straight party line. This would result in the presidential vote going to the other “unintended” party.

[berniew1]

33. "Default to Bush" Fraud documented in big Florida touchscreen counties

The biggest Democratic counties in Florida of Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade each had dozens of incidents of vote switching reported from Kerry to Bush, mostly and a few from Kerry to a minor candidate. As well as a much lesser number of switching in the U.S. Senate race. Poll workers told frustrated voters who were having trouble that "this has been going on all day". I have the EIRS cases for each county. This was even reported to be happening on the radio during election day.
(but no one has done anything about it?)

There were also a lesser number of cases of switching reported in Hillsboro, Sarasota, and Pinellas.
Some of these were in the U.S. Senate race.
This is clear documentation that the "Default to Bush" pattern was programed into the touch screen vote equipment in large numbers of the precincts of the big touchscreen counties. The only question is who was responsible and what to do about it.


The Florida EIRS case data that supports the vote machine fraud in the big Florida touchscreen counties, just as my previous study pointed out(www.flcv.com/fla04EAS.html) is at:

www.flcv.com/EIRSFla.html

[Sydnie]

7. Then where should we be looking?

Seems this has been one major way to control the vote and the voters intention. It has been documented in several states with as many incidents as suppression noted.

If not this, then what should we be looking at and why aren't you bringing that subject to the table?

[Ellipsis]

8. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x179193

we need to focus on specifics.

I have. It'a little dry.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=178275&mesg_id=178275


k

[MarkusQ]

22. So, we should ignore things like the well documented illegal

... voter suppression and ballot miscounting due to polling place misconduct, either one of which was probably enough to tip the election, to focus on much more questionable lines of inquiry?

How do you figure?

--MarkusQ

[Sydnie]

23. Well, I suppose anything is possible but

how do you prove it? It isn't mentioned directly in the previously filed case at all.

Changing a piece of hardware is more believable to me than a "rogue" bit of code that acts like a virus... triggered by either date or action and self destructs by either date or action.

I can buy the code that is triggered by a date or an action but it's the self-destruct portion that I have a problem swallowing.

I did read the filings and they have some very specific claims as well as proposed remedies and this doesn't appear to be part of it is it?

[berniew1]

27. Here's more on this type of fraud in New Mexico

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x179612

[Dancing_Dave]

40. Me thinks thou art a troll!

:nopity:

[Goldeneye]

3. So any non-kerry votes were counted as bush votes?

That can't be right, because then there would be no votes for 3rd party candidates....too obvious....so what am I missing?

[berniew1]

5. Its known the default was Bush. If another candidate punched, changes

to the desired candidate if successful. But very often that didn't happen. It wasn't easy to make the screen change. Bush got any vote
not successfully changed to the desired candidate. Which is a good bit more than the intended votes for Bush. This has been well documented by analysts and computer experts in all 3 states. See the other thread docucmentation, and the documentation listed here- including the indicident reports in EIRS and votersunite.com site.
This has been widely discussed.

[Goldeneye]

6. I've read some of the threads

and Im sorry if it seemed like I was doubting your post. I just really didn't understand what the theory was...how votes were switched. Thanks for the explanation.

[berniew1]

10. Most of serious analysts doing number crunching think this is best doc. &

significant fraud pattern found so far, as far as I know. According to my interaction with them. Like RH Phillips, the most quoted analyst on this list, and the one whose data was used in the Arnebeck
filing. I interact with him and any others closely involved I've heard of, on a regular basis. We've talked tonight about this.

[Ellipsis]

12. What's the difference between...

A computer salesman and a used car dealer? The used car dealer knows when he's lying.

Sell any cars lately?

[vlad]

25. Question for someone who might know about audit logs

Hi - I just joined DU not too long ago..
I have been studying this incredible matrix of vote fraud and found this.. I don't know what thing it's referring to.. I do not know how long it will be available.. I think it refers to Gaston, NC????

It was a link email from front page of http://www.blackboxvoting.com

as of 12/19/04, under Gaston Election Director Resigns.. any have a clue after reading the email..
http://cscott.net/Activism/Diebold/FairUse/lists/support.w3archive/200110/msg00122.html


I apologize about posting incorrectly, never been a member of a forum..

[berniew1]

32. Someone needs to go to EIRS data at voteprotect.org -check N.C.

it might be www.voteprotect.com rather than .org

download N.Carolina and look for Default to Bush pattern in U.S. Senate race;
some should check Iowa and Nevada also; already documented in N. Mex.

[emlev]

44. more info on how to do this

the site is: http://epc.voteprotect.org

Click on research/maps.

Click on the state you want, and then narrow it down to a county if you'd like. (If you don't recognize the county on the map, click on its name below the map).

You can limit your search to "machine problems," but sometimes evidence of what you're looking for can be found in other categories as well.

It's important to note the most specific information available as to the location of each complaint. It's best to have the serial number of the actual voting machines in question. Second best is to have the precinct number. Third best is to have the polling place (some have only one precinct, some have more). If you don't have any of that information, as far as I know the complaint isn't useful. Except that the Election Protection Coalition may eventually be able to help you track the complaint to the person who made it. This is complicated and there would have to be compelling need for that specific kind of evidence for it to happen.

[procinderella]

18. Read the Ohio petition

www.freepress.org.

I can't stress this enough. Read the Petition to Contest the Election. It's all there...exit polling data vs. "official results", vote suppression, machine/software tampering.

Rove uses a many-pronged attack. Remember?

I think they (Kerry, Green, Libertarian, Jackson) might just be able to prove it.

Yes, we can!

[skids]

11. Why just OH, NM, and FL? What about Texas?

Everyone seems to be ignoring Texas, where the machines padded Bush's popular vote margin.

See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x5879

[Ellipsis]

13. Yes!

[berniew1]

15. RHP the analyst on the Arnebeck filing worked on this noted Texas connecti

But it wouldn't change who won Texas so it wasn't discussed.

[skids]

16. I understand why Arnebeck isn't doing Texas (and Georgia)

...because it would be a steeper uphill climb against the courts and bureaucrats.

But that doesn't mean we should let it slip from our collective conciousness.

After all, this is about fair elections, not who won.

[procinderella]

19. Great Point!

I've believed they did Texas too when I saw a chart (I don't remember where) about the number of "problem-with-voting incidents" reported on day of the election. (some 30,000 I believe)

Florida, Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania topped the list.

[seabeyond]

21. and calif, ny and nevada

geez, probably scanned votes across the nation. but we know they were taking votes in texas. once this starts opening up, i believe they will start reporting how it was across the nation

[berniew1]

31. Kerry likely won Nevada. They could document this without paper trail.

I understand they didn't recount due to no papertrail to handcount, but this can be documented without a paper trail- so they should check for the pattern and contest the election there. Similar to the Arnebeck suit in Ohio.

[berniew1]

37. I checked their EIRS data and saw no reports of vote switching in Nev.

[rdmccur]

24. Madsen mentions Texas as being

one of the big states where Bush's popular vote is padded (and California).

[bleever]

20. Kickin' berniew1's ongoing good work. n/t

[berniew1]

28. Solid documentation of this type of vote machine fraud in Ohio

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x181715

Full study: http://northnet.org/minstrel/youngstown.htm
Dr. Richard Phillips

[skids]

30. Self delete

someone beat me to it :-)

[GetTheRightVote]

34. Solid proof, hurray, I hope they over turn this stolen election, praying

[berniew1]

35. Who is this they you speak of?? Justise only happens if public insists

[berniew1]

36. Who is this they you speak of?? Justice only happens if public insists

[berniew1]

38. why don't Supervisors in Ohio & Florida want experts to audit compilers

On November 22, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and the Verified Voting Foundation (VVF) announced that they had sent letters to voting officials in eight counties around the country urging them to allow independent testing of their electronic voting
machines. The two groups were among the 60 organizations in the Election Protection Coalition which ran an election day hotline and the web-based Election Incident Reporting System. The Coalition received 37,862 reports of election irregularities, including 2,112
incidents concerning voting machines.

The two major machine errors involved voters who selected Kerry on an ES&S electronic touch screen and saw their vote change to Bush on a summary screen. The second was a specific problem with the Sequoia AVC Edge machine where voters saw preselected default choices presented to them. According to EFF and VFF, counties where the most serious problems were reported include Mahoning and Franklin County in Ohio, Broward and Palm Beach in Florida in Florida, Mercer and Philadelphia County in Pennsylvania, Harris County in Texas and Bernalillo County in New Mexico.

[Dancing_Dave]

39. IMPOUND THE FRAUD MACHINES!!!

The only way to really prove all this is to seize the machines and inspect the code. Recounts are meaningless when there's nothing seperate from the machines to recount.

California seized some Diebold machines after the primary elections, and ended up winning a multi-million dollar law suit against Diebold. New Mexico, here we come!

[berniew1]

42. Big reduction in undervotes in 2004 consistent with Default to Bush patte

pattern.
Palm Beach, Hillsboro, Pinellas, and Sarasota use TS machines and had a more than 50% reduction in undervotes in 2004 compared to 2000.
Since not all machines in those counties were programed to default to Bush but significant numbers were, this reduction of 50 to70% in undervotes is consistent with the Default to Bush pattern observed by voters and poll workers in these areas. Those lost undervotes would be votes swung to Bush by the default to Bush. As well as votes of those not noticing that the machine had switched the vote to Bush after initially registering Kerry(ES&S machines like in PB, Dade,etc.)

While Broward did not show a similar pattern of reduced undervotes, experience with the default pattern in Mahoning County, Ohio could explain that. In Mahoning County some of the EIRS reports indicated that while most machines were defaulting to Bush, some were set to default to Blank. Thus some switches of Kerry votes go to Bush and some to blank. But Kerry loses either way and undervotes don't look unusual.

[berniew1]

43. Updated documentation on Florida vote machine fraud link

http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

[berniew1]

45. More counties with vote machine fraud found in Florida and new pattern

Additional counties Hillsboro,Sarasota,Pinellas, Pasco, Lee
Details at
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

This needs to be distributed. I'm leaving in 15 minutes for the holidays.