Who authored Dean's political assination?

[Must_B_Free]

Dean was politically assassinated by a scam.

The "Dean scream" never actually happened. In the room he was speaking, noone heard it. It was only that the media had his lavalier feed and was able to play it divorced from the crowd screams that it sounded unusual.

So who orchestrated this event?

[Carolab]

1. Don't know

my hunch is CNN because they played the damn thing more than anyone

[Must_B_Free]

3. 2nd question

did you believe Rove when he said, repeatedly, "We'd love to run against Howard Dean"? I think that may have been disingenuous posturing.

[ihelpu2see]

29. I always felt that the Repugs. were afraid of Dr. Dean

He is well educated, his wife is also an MD and well spoken and down to earth. But I believe the MSM is to blame as much as Rove plus a small contigent of centrist to conservative Dems.

[KurtNYC]

45. yes - "According to Republican pollsters Bob Moore and Hans Kaiser:

The former Vermont governor might just be the "Democratic Ronald Reagan"
...
The Republicans no longer see Dean as the weakest of the top Democrats.

How do I know? Because if they really thought Dean would be easy for Bush to beat, they'd build him up to make sure he'd win the Democratic nomination. They were doing that last summer, but no longer. They now fear Governor Dean most of all. That explains why Republicans bash Dean constantly. On right-wing hate radio and on the talking head shows. On the editorial pages and in the "news" sections. As these tactics fail, Republican fear grows.

http://www.apj.us/20031114Hersh.html

[dargondogon]

72. Dean wasn't going to misunderestimate Bush, as Kerry did

John Kerry always knew he would win. Howard Dean never had the luxury of thinking such a thing. He governed a state that's smaller in population than many urban counties, and he knew he had to fight, fight, fight to win.

But he fought too hard. He put too many kids into Iowa who didn't know the state well. He peaked at the wrong time. And some Vietnam guy showed up in Kerry's campaign -- a Republican, if I recall -- declaring Kerry to be the salvation of mankind. This vet also claimed he'd only recently realized that Kerry was the guy who saved his life in Vietnam. In retrospect, that sounds ridiculous, considering how controversial Kerry has always been among veterans.

My guess: The scream overkill in the media and the sudden appearance of the guy whose life Kerry saved were both Rove operations. Governors make excellent presidential candidates. Senators don't. The GOP wanted Kerry, not Dean. The GOP gave Iowa to Kerry, and that's all he needed. Bush can't do much, but he can sure play Americans for fools.

[renaissanceguy]

86. Let's get rid of this stupid primary system.

I'm sick of two states' votes trumping that of the rest of the country.

Besides...Iowa voted for BUSH during the general election!!

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[Eloriel]

74. The Rove comment was misconstrued from the start

At best he was just kidding around. This was well explained shortly after (by someone who was there), but as with nearly everything the REAL story hardly gets told. Wish I had a link, but I don't.

As for the political assassination, the scream wasn't the real problem, the political assassination that resulted in his 3rd place iowa "win" was the REAL political assassination and it was engineered by Kerry, Gephardt and friends on behalf of Kerry, Vilsak and his machine, and Edwards and Kucinich had their little parts -- backroom deals -- to play as well.

Further, had the DNC not set up the primary so that Iowa would be definitive (by front loading it so that there wasn't enough time between Iowa and NH, let alone any of the other primaries), we might have had a very different outcome because even in the very short time before NH, Dean was making up the gap very nicely.

[tngledwebb]

40. CNN of course.

CNN is the Number 1 'business end' for the illegal regimes' propaganda.

What else did they used to show us over and over?
Oh yes, I remember, that footage from-

[disillusioned1]

2. The media did it

Several weeks before the "scream", I heard him say he wanted to dismantle the media conglomerates.

[Peace Patriot]

83. Yup...

...I remember that, too, right before "the scream"--said that he would dismantle the media conglomerates. In fact, that was the day I switched from Kucinich to Dean. I still felt K represented me better on the issues, but I thought Dean had real cajones to say that, and the presidency needed that kind of aggression. I also really liked Dean for his outsider-ness and most of all for his antiwar stance. I felt he would really clean up the filthy, corrupt military contract scene. He must have had a lot of enemies. But I think you've hit the nail. It was his threat to the conglomerated media (all war profiteers as well).

However, re: "Kerry misunderestimating Bush" (upthread). Kerry won the election. So he didn't "misunderestimate" in that sense. I think he took Bush's measure, saw what a puppet he is, and did very well electioneering against him. The more people saw of Kerry, the more they liked him. His calm demeanor in the debates was very impressive. And they ended up giving him a landslide victory (if the truth were known).

He may have "misunderestimated," though, on Bush Inc.'s election fraud scheme. I think it took Kerry some time to figure it out, and believe they did it. I think he was in the dark, like the rest of us, on Nov. 2-3, about the Exit Polls (the networks polluting the Exit Poll data with Republican-controlled electronic "official results," making it appear that Bush was winning both, late in the day).

Although I didn't know about the Exit Polls (how they prevented a "Ukraine" here) until I read the Freeman report, about a week later (soon after it was published), I had the rest of the election fraud scheme pretty much figured out by midnight Nov.2 (in outline form anyway). (And what a relief it was to me!) But we ordinary people forget the kind of bubble that people like Kerry live in.

That's the way it appears anyway. I know there's a whole other theory about Kerry, that his concession that night was a strategic move. I'm not so sure. I don't think he knew right away. I think he knows now, though--and that, as it turns out, it was best that he concede that night, and stay invisible for a while.

I don't think it's black and white--that either he's just dense or a coward or too corrupt to care, or the greatest political strategist ever. It's obvious that he's intelligent and courageous, and not all that corrupt (for a DC insider). And he may be a great strategist, but his strategy has been somewhat on the fly.

That's okay with me, though. If he does the right thing NOW, who cares?

He and the Dems really, really failed us on the election system. They owe us!

[RaulVB]

4. The MSM

Joe Trippi said on the air that "MSM political correspondents" traveling with the Dean campaing "have had problems with his style and didn't like the idea of having to work with him on a daily basis..."

Trippi then continued..."well, we are all human, I understand their feelings..."

Trippi's rationale was that these "journalists" started to make up rumors about his character because the idea of Dean winning the nomination or even having a chance of going to the White House "WASN'T VERY APPEALING TO THEM!" or "good" for their future "careers"...

[LittleClarkie]

16. Great, our political future is being decided by media hacks

If they don't like you, you ain't getting in. It's not a democracy, it's a mediaocracy.

[OneBlueSky]

5. well, a damn good guess would be . . .

the DLC . . . or the DNC . . . or both . . .

[GettysbergII]

8. Then the next question that follows logically is.......

.....did Dean really lose in New Hampshire? New Hampshire got e-voting machines? Optiscan tabulators?

[NVMojo]

10. I'd like to know this ...

[LittleClarkie]

17. It's said that the exit polls matched the results, though

so if we're using that standard for 2000, 2004 and the Ukraine, then it follows that if the exit polls match, things were pretty much on the up and up, voting-wise.

[Senator]

28. "matched" or "were matched" ?

CNN stalled its reporting at 80% precincts for at least days after. I don't know exactly how long because I stopped checking eventually.

(note: I'm just offering quick info. there a far more important things to be dealing with at the moment.)

[tngledwebb]

41. Ukriane challenger is BushCo's choice,

They helped rig that election too. To give the 'apppearance' of fraud, to get the protestors out, to fire up the media, etc.

[Peace Patriot]

85. Huh?

You have anything to back this up? --(that 500,000 people in the streets was rigged by Bush Inc.? Doesn't seem likely.)

[tngledwebb]

91. Not exactly. The street protestors are real, not plants or stooges.

BushCo has been involved in other ways, supporting their candidate, pushing the coverage. The other side has been protesting also, in support of their guy, but has not gotten the same media attention. Find it online in UK Guardian/Observer.

[mdb]

6. It was the type of Microphone he was using

This is what I heard of this day. Dean had a microphone that only picked up his voice and eliminated any background noise. So with this mic he was raising his voice over the crowd so the crowd would hear him. But of course when you listen to this video, all your hearing is him raising his voice and no roaring crowd as it was.

[George W. Hayduke]

7. whaddya mean it never happened???

no one heard it???

u really need a tin-foil hat more than me....

that's absolutely poo-poo ca-ca.

edit: trust me, it happened.

[MarkusQ]

9. He means the people in the room didn't hear it as a "scream"

Which is true.

The "scream" was an artifact of the microphones used, and wasn't at all like what the people there heard.

--MarkusQ

[Norquist Nemesis]

61. And a tree fell in the woods today

but the microphones from CNN failed record it and play it 786 times.

Yes, "the scream" happened. But not as an isolated, audible such as the media hyped. Once Dean went down, many talking heads were posing the question, "Did we do this to Dean?".

<sarcasm>Oh, no. It was liberal guilt. </sarcasm>

[MarkusQ]

11. Good question. A better series of questions would be...

Why was he even making that speech?

Because he was trying to energize his base.

Why was he doing that?

Because he was doing surprisingly badly in the primaries.

Why was this surprising?

Because the polls showed him leading the pack by a wide margin.

Odd. How were the primaries managed?

In most states, they were managed in the same way the general elections are; the same equipment, the same infrastructure...

--MarkusQ

[TacticalPeek]

14. The Iowa caucus was already toast for him, pre-scream.

And he was out of it before any primary machine use.

Corporate media did him in, for reasons both corporate and media.

IIRC. :)

[zimba]

97. I get it

"Corporate media did him in, for reasons both corporate and media."

Probably true, yes? And if thats not a scary thought I don't know what is.

[LittleClarkie]

18. He lead before votes were cast

has that happened before in other elections? The guy the polls said were golden starting to tank when votes are actually cast?

I think Hillary will be this person in 2008, frontrunner until someone votes.

[seaglass]

25. No he was not leading right before the Iowa primary, his

support was declining.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=779

[SharonAnn]

71. No, actually they can be quite different. They do use paper ballots,

at least at some of the places.

In the rural areas the caucuses might meet at someone's home, they group into candidate supporting groups after talking and listening to each other, they try to convince people in one candidate group to join another, and they cast ballots.

It's not at all like an election with voting "machines" of one kind or another and election officials managing it.

[MarkusQ]

89. Different, but not sufficiently so

In some places they are quite different, in others they are quite similar. In any case, the differences may not be as significant as they seem. Paper ballots? So what. Have you ever heard of anyone asking for a recount in a primary? If you never recount, paper ballots are an empty gesture.

Look what Bush did to McCain in 2000, or what Kerry & Giphart did to Dean in 2004; they don't save all their dirty tricks for the general election.

--MarkusQ

[tngledwebb]

87. Good observations.

Deja vooey too.

[GettysbergII]

12. In Trippi's Book Joe explains that Dean was speaking in a crowded noisy

room and that Dean's volume was totally appopriate for those circumstances but the media never showed the context around him when they aired the clip over and over and over again. I've no doubt the DNC wanted him gone just as bad as the Bush campaign did. Nothing more dangerous that an honest man.

[genieroze]

50. Nothing more dangerous that an honest man?

Because of them we got * who is both dangerous and dishonest.

[GettysbergII]

68. Yup. And both the Repug and DemoRat Parties seem OK with that.

[mdb]

13. Watch this video

http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/news/012904_NW_r2_group_deanscream.html

[JohnOneillsMemory]

15. As a live audio engineer, I can confirm that his mike mattered in context.

He was in the middle of a noisy room full of screaming supporters that sounded like Beatlemania.

If you've ever been to a rock concert where young people are yelling you'd know it is absolutely deafening.

So Dean made a big noise back to be heard over the din. But his microphone (mike) had a very tight pick-up pattern. That is, it heard his nearby mouth much more than it heard the din of the crowd.

So when he did his yell it sounded completely inappropriate in the media feed coming from his mike without the context of the background noise he was dealing with.

The REASON he was character assassinated with this is two-fold:
1) He said in an interview that he would go after the media mega-merger monopolies. Tsk Tsk. Buh-bye, the media said to that idea.

2) He was a MUCH more popular candidate than the DNC/DLC was offering and therefore had to be stopped to protect the Dem powerbase of complicit enablers of mainly Republican fascism.

[Casablanca]

20. Spot -on accurate. In a Dec 2, 2003 interview on CNBC ...

Dean said that, as president, he would work to reform the media consolidation laws in this country. The "Dean is unelectable" meme started making it's rounds among Democrats the following week. The week before (late November), he was still being feted by the press as the Dem Boy Wonder.

So he was set up by the corporatist DLC with the full cooperation of the corporatist press, with the corporatist Repubs quietly laughing their asses off at how McAuliffe et al were doing their work for them.

[jfern]

23. We can't win with this media

We need new media.

[Casablanca]

27. *We* can be the media!

If Dean gets the DNC chairmanship, it would be a major move in the right direction. His campaign didn't need the MSM to become a movement, so we don't need the MSM either.

[saracat]

98. Baloney. His campaign was "created" by MSM.

He was the media darling. They anointed him front runner and he blew it!

[KurtNYC]

48. Clinton won and survived this media

It is worse now but it wasn't unbiased in the 1990s by a long shot. Whitewater?

[seaglass]

26. It was not the VOLUME of "the scream," it was the tone. I saw

it live. Go search the archives for that night, there was at least one Dean supporter who admitted that it was a really "off" performance.

[nashville_brook]

43. word. i would only add

-- it didn't need to be "orchestrated." it was a crime of opportunity.

a "found-object" assasination.

[Metrix]

19. He had just badly lost the Iowa caucuses when the "scream" occurred

That's why his demeanor seemed so inappropriate in that context. Dean was polling badly before the vote. Trippi stated on TV that he already knew it was "over" before the caucuses took place. Fact is, Dean simply lost in Iowa -- as in, the voters in the state preferred other candidates -- and he didn't have momentum going into New Hampshire.

[Eloriel]

76. Dean didn't "simply lose" in Iowa --

he lost, but it wasn't at his own hand -- not that the campaign was perfect, it wasn't. But the Dean campaign's mistakes would NOT have torpedoed him without a LOT of help (dirty tricks galore, inclcuding the Osama bin Laden ad for starters) from his DEMOCRATIC opponents.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. I believe that MSM did it, under orders from the CFR et al. Kerry

had to get the nomination......

[jfern]

22. The media

He talked about regulating the media - and that backfired on him.
The media wants to be free to have monopolies and never do shit for reporting.

[Maddy McCall]

24. I think Dean did a fair job of "assinating" himself.

:silly:

[henslee]

30. Please do not underplay the fact that forever reason, Mrs. Dean was not a

conventional campaign wife and that was too much to ask Middle America to swallow.

[renaissanceguy]

88. "Middle America" as in

rednecks who subordinate their wives into servitude...wives who cannot hold a job outside the home? THAT Middle America?

If that's Middle America, I'd hate to think of that Conservative America is.
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[Senator]

31. Simply part of the pre-scripted "narrative"

The "scream heard everywhere but in the room" was just a target of opportunity. And a fairly lame one at that. As evidenced by the fact that Dean was only shoved aside and not "assassinated" (he's still a player - horrors in DC!).

The DC/Media Analstocracy had labeled him "angry" from the start, even while they were using him for "good copy." Sometime in Dec, angry became "crazy."

They were lying in wait for him to get testy with a heckler, a colleague, or anyone. They even tried to get him mad at Trippi over money. Joe defused that pretty well though.

When nothing was forthcoming they were running out of time and pounced on the rally thing. They had to fight hard to make it stick (279 repeats in 3 days) but it finally did.

[mzmolly]

32. The Media because Dean threatened to break up the MSM monopoly.

*tsk tsk* Dr. Dean.

[Voltaire]

33. I was in the ValAir Ballroom that night

And quite frankly I did not remember the scream at the time. It was a very loud pep rally for all of us that had worked so hard out there. Hell, Tom Harkin was just as loud and raucous as Dean was that night. I don't know how orchestrated it was, but its clear, isn't it, that the media was ready to pounce on anything that he did to take him down. The scream let them run with it. But the whole thing was completely taken out of context, bloviated on by people who were not there and did not know the situation, and it still makes me sick to think about how it all unravelled after that. All over a burst of enthusiasm in a very energized room. I will never forgive folks like Candy Crowley and all the rest of them for that.

[emcguffie]

35. I think Rove too

I do like Kerry, but I think Rove et al. was glad to see Dean go, because they knew he would be hard to beat. Think about it. Being anti-war this summer was what everybody was insisting Kerry do. And that was the only "extreme" thing about Dean. I knew they would kill Kerry for being liberal and from Massachusetts. Rove wanted Kerry to run against, I think.

You know he doesn't tell the truth, so all that stuff about looking forward to Dean getting the nomination was just "reframing", Rove style. Rove probably urged some media CEOS to clobber him.

[Patsy Stone]

34. The meeedjia

That scream could not be heard in the room. Even Diane Sawyer told us that the next morning when she played the video without the direct feed from the mike.

The MSM decided to play it over and over and over again... They blow.

[CWebster]

36. The corporate press and the corporate Democrats

might as well be Republicans

[KittyWampus]

37. Dean's Outlandish Concession Speech Harpooned His Own Candidacy

his speech, forget the Scream, was beyond the pale of acceptable behavior.

He was on National tv and running for National office.

And the Scream most certainly DID happen. If people didn't hear it in the room... it's because rather than giving a Concession Speech Dean stupidly did a freaking RALLY!

[hippiechick]

38. "was beyond the pale of acceptable behavior"

:wtf:

Oh yes, please, give me more candidates who are so boring they're damn near comatose.

Who agree in principle and vote with the squatter at 1600.

Who refuse to take a stand on a given issue for fear it will splinter the base.

Let's all be polite and not make any waves.
Lord knows this country is FINE just how it is.

GROAN. :eyes:


:hippie:

[CWebster]

39. Right

Sort of like how they twisted Paul Wellstone's memorial into a shameful act?

Recall Kerry and his little media pow-wow just weeks before the Iowa caucus and his smug little sneering assurances that he was going to win though he was polling behind Lieberman and Sharpton at the time. The Republicans couldn't have hand-picked a bigger loser. Imagine, the war crime--the complete illegal bungling of invading Iraq--and there were the Democrats with their hands tied, while Kerry played his little soldier boy routine--Now the whining about Michael Moore rather than scapegoating Nader has started and the New Democrats are scrambling to triangulate on the Right's successful abuse of fear and ignorance.

The Clinton era is over--their 15 minutes are up and the best and most helpful thing they can do for the party and the country is to leave the stage and bow out so other new faces and ideas can take the lead. The Democratic party should not be the personal vehicle for the politic ambitions and egos of the Clintons and their toadys.

[KittyWampus]

65. Concession Speech's Are Part Of Our Collective Political Theater

and if you step outside the normally accepted forms of behavior you are opening yourself up to major PR damage.

It is totally possible to give a Concession Speech in the traditional and expected form and yet be INTERESTING or CHARISMATIC> Dean didn't do that.

[Voltaire]

42. Just what in the FUCK is Acceptable Behavior

Who and what determines that? The Media? You? Rove?

That is a typical manufactured outrage comment that I can't stand. If you have a beef with Dean, fine, but if you weren't there and you don't know the situation in that room I think your comments are ill-informed and well BEYOND THE NORMS OF ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR!

[Karenca]

47. Like acceptable behavior might ever be B*sh's remarks, smirks,

cutting in, anger, mispronunciations and repetitious behavior of a 5 year old child that he displayed at the debates.

I miss America

[KittyWampus]

64. What's An Acceptable Speech At A Funeral? At A Wedding? At A

concession speech by a candidate running for a NATIONAL OFFICE?

There ARE norms of behavior which a NATIONAL candidate needs to abide by to some extent.

Please, tell me what other candidate in recent memory gave a such a performance?

NONE, that's who.

Stop coddling Dean and hold him accountable for his own failures.

That was part of the problem with Dean's whole run... his supporters refused to call him on his mistakes.

[MarkusQ]

95. He wasn't conceding. That's the whole point.

He was trying to rally his forces for the next battle--he had no intention of conceding.

So they said

"Hey, isn't this Dean guy dead?"

*BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM*

"He is now."

The whole "he should have given a demure concession speech" misses the point. He had no intention of conceding, and his supporters didn't want or expect him to. His opponents might have liked it, but they were willing to settle for after the fact character assassination.

--MarkusQ

[KurtNYC]

51. He was headed for New Hampshire

Governor of Vermont - what were his chances in New Hampshire?

rather than giving a Concession Speech Dean stupidly did a freaking RALLY

Dean didn't want to 'die' when the media pronounced him dead. Bush lost in Iowa to McCain. Iowa is only the beginning of the process.

This was a chance to make Dean look nuts and the media ran with it to bury him before he could bounce back.

[MarkusQ]

70. Logic check

And the Scream most certainly DID happen. If people didn't hear it in the room... it's because rather than giving a Concession Speech Dean stupidly did a freaking RALLY!

Logic check. You claim it did happen (because you saw it on TV, I assume), but if the people who were actually there didn't hear it, it was because you disagree with the content of the speech?

Sorry, but that makes no sense. Even the claim that he should have been conceding seems silly. How would you have felt if Kerry conceded after losing one state?

--MarkusQ

[tngledwebb]

93. Brings to mind the media stories about Wellstone's funeral.

How MSM highlighted segments of the memorial ceremony to discredit his liberal legacy and the Democratic party.

Make no mistake, the evildoers are well funded, well paid, efficient as Nazi's, and rotten to the core.

[emcguffie]

44. I think it was Rove, too.

This is a dupe, because I put the first one in the wrong place.


I do like Kerry, but I think Rove et al. was glad to see Dean go, because they knew he would be hard to beat. Think about it. Being anti-war this summer was what everybody was insisting Kerry do. And that was the only "extreme" thing about Dean. I knew they would kill Kerry for being liberal and from Massachusetts. Rove wanted Kerry to run against, I think.

You know he doesn't tell the truth, so all that stuff about looking forward to Dean getting the nomination was just "reframing", Rove style. Rove probably urged some media CEOS to clobber him.

emcguff

[Vinnie From Indy]

46. You're an "ASS" short in your title n/t

[JohnOneillsMemory]

49. LOL...brevity is the soul of wit.....n/t

[Snivi Yllom]

52. I hate conspiracies

I don't think it was engineered. But the fucking MSM whore ran with it and pounded him to death. In a silly season of politics where the MSM has you under a microscope looking for flaws, the whores took the moment and crushed Dean with it.

[CWebster]

54. Yet they have a seeming infinite amount of opportunity

to crush the souse, Bush.


Think again. Asigning it as a "conspiracy theory" is part of the strategy to discredit the practice.

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[CWebster]

55. Um

It is all in how it was spun--and it could've been spun about anyone.

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[CWebster]

57. Well they sorta did, didn't they?

If they inflated something that wasn't shrug-worthy into a crisis.

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[CWebster]

59. And Bush was ever ready for prime time?

What the hell constitutes "presidential". Obviously, senatorial elitism has never had populus appeal. And that is being generous about Kerry's effectiveness as a candidate.

The ONLY angle he had was ABB. In these dark days, how pathetic.

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[CWebster]

62. It counts for NOTHING

in the face of an illegal barbaric invasion that is draining our treasury and slaughtering our youth who in turn are slaughtering the people of a country that posed no threat to us.

That Kerry would strut his aging macho ego, harking back to his glory days to prove his political prowess - while the world condemns us for our shame, fills me with disgust. To think that he would attempt to exploit another unjust war to prove how he was fit to lead is the same arrogance so many WW2 vets employee in their bravado of claiming to save the world--without ever acknowleging the Allies---or that Russia lost an entire generation of men. He attempted to capitalize on that ignorant nationalism rather than expose the crime. All he demonstrated is that he was a follower of a mindset deliberately manufactured by the criminal.

What a loser!

[Carl Brennan]

63. He was "assinated"? LOL

Is that turning one into an ass? :bounce:

[Carolab]

66. OH GOOD GOD HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?

A 527 group founded by Kerry and Gephardt supporters mis-named "Americans for jobs, health care and progressive values" ran some horrible slanderous commercials in Iowa and New Hampshire. Dean was FAR TOO MUCH OF A GENTLEMAN and a STATESMAN TO SAY IT.

There was even a C-Span show on LAST WEEK, on which the person who perpetrated this, named DAVID JONES, admitted that the sole purpose of this 527 was to be a hit team and that it was ordained by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY ITSELF SPECIFICALLY TO BRING DOWN DEAN.

You can read about this in an article by the Center for Public Integrity called "A Political Mugging in America", written by Charles Lewis, head of the Center.

It was on their main web page for a long time. Now you have to search for it on the site but it is still there.

FOR THE LAST TIME: KERRY AND GEPHARDT CAMPAIGN PERSONNEL (INCLUDING ROBERT TORRICELLI) AND THE DNC/DLC DID DEAN IN.

[Melissa G]

77. AMEN!!!

Dean did not owe Dem leadership anything and they were scared as hell of him. Clintonistas were not happy with the dean upsurge.
Dems eating their promising young...very sad.:-(

[Red State Blues]

82. I still think people were stupid to fall for it.

But here is a direct link to the article Carolab mentions:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0306-04.htm

[Dolphyn]

90. Here's the link to the article Carolab mentioned

Political Mugging in America
Anatomy of an "independent" smear campaign
by Charles Lewis

http://www.public-i.org/report.aspx?aid=194&sid=200

[Samantha]

67. The DLC took him out

And after the political "fun" began, everyone piled on. End of story.

[Carolab]

69. Amen

and thanks

[Freddie Stubbs]

73. Dean was already finished BEFORE the scream

He had already loast Iowa and was behind in NH. All the scream did was give the media a reason to kick a guy who was already down.

[Carolab]

79. He had "lost" them BECAUSE

the attack ads had been running full-out for two weeks! AND there was a lot of nasty push-polling going on and flyers that were frankly telling lies.

[Obviousman]

75. Interesting theory

But I doubt they knew he would scream, so it seems hard to call that incident a set up. But everyone was looking to take dean down.
William Donohue

[CoffeeCat]

78. I saw the Dean scream...

I saw the Dean scream live. The scream heard 'round the world--ironically--wasn't heard in that room. The crowd was so raucous and loud. You could barely hear what Dean was saying.

With that said, Dean's demeanor that night was unconventional. He was in pep-rally mode, for his supporters. Dean was cheering us forward in the midst of a disappointing loss. The speech was off the beaten path.

With that said--this is precisely why I liked Dean. He wasn't a consummate politician who spoke using canned sound bytes. Dean spoke frankly and off the cuff. He told it like it was. An honest, forthright person will make mistakes and sometimes appear unpolished--because he's more real than rehearsed.

I don't think Dean did anything wrong the night of the "scream." However, the media clearly had it in for him because he was against big-media conglomerates. In addition, the Reps did not want to run against Dean. They knew they would lose because the Rove attack machine didn't have much to go on. Rove knew he could only secure a Bush win if the Rove attack machine went full steam. There wasn't a lot of negative fodder from Dean. The Reps wanted to run on Kerry. The Swift-Boat jerks were salivating in the wings and Kerry's decade-spanning voting record gave them plenty with which to attack (war vote, tax hikes, voted for No Child, etc).

I clearly remember Rush Limbaugh tearing into Dean for weeks--and barely mentioning the other Dem candidates. The Reps were terrified of running against Dean. Just last week, I heard Rush admit that Dean would have presented a big challenge to Bush. Rush probably doesn't remember what he says from one day to the next--due to the vicodin sandwiches he eats for lunch--but I sure remember. Clearly, Rush inadvertently revealed that the drill was to destroy Dean to avoid a Bush/Dean contest.

If you've got the media and the Republican party looking to take you out--it's only a matter of time before you make a mistake or you do something that can be turned into a major catastrophe. It's the same thing that happened with Kerry's "$87 billion dollar" remark. The comment was rational and benign, but when Rove spins the web of lies--you can be destroyed.

[henslee]

80. Mrs. Dean helped. I admire her dedication to her practice and

think she is an awesome woman but I doubt many middle Americans could get cozy with her absensce from the campaign trail for so long. It just made him too unconventional of a candiidate IMO. Sure you can point the finger at Dems and Republican media but ya gotta factor it all in.

[Red State Blues]

81. The public.

Why did anybody care? Yes, the media played it to death, even Jon Stewart, but still. Why did people get led by the nose into believing that getting excited is proof of some kind of character flaw.

I hope that as the next 4* years of Bush's evil plan unfolds that people remember that they derailed a fine candidate over a second long soundbite.

[roenyc]

84. the scream was fun, but

it didn't matter. the media blew it out of proportion. dean has a strange mouth that makes him look weird when he expresses emotion and anger. but he is a smart man and I have great respect for him. and hope they allow him to lead the party.

Dean wasn't right for the time i think according to the Dems. they may have thought we needed a worrier. a Clark or Kerry. we got a Kerry. I would guess Dean was too liberal ::roll eyes:: and would get slaughtered by the right on homeland security and Iraq. hell, look what they managed to do to kerry!

you and i and every other democrat/green would vote for him but what about cons and mod repub? so i think the Dem's were thrilled for him to be out of the game and worked to get him out.

and Kerry, was determined to get the nomination.

[Dover]

92. Saw Dean on Charlie Rose and he alluded to a discussion with Clinton

I think Charlie asked him what happened in Iowa and Dean said something like....Clinton called him and ..."well (eyebrows raised)....he told me...."

Charlie begged...."what did he say?"

Dean says...."no, I can't......"

More begging from Charlie but Dean wouldn't go further.

But the impression I got was that Clinton told Dean to back down or back away...and might have offered him some other deal.

Never know for sure...but Clinton WAS doing some talking to Dean then.

[thedevilinthedetails]

94. ABC TV did it, they are the ones who bumped up the volume

Sean Hannity probably had a hand in it through the ABC Radio links he has to ABC TV

[Freddie Stubbs]

96. He had already lost Iowa (3rd place) and was trailing in the polls in NH

The scream didn't kill him. He was already a dead man walking.