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MindLikeAParachute (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:21 PM Original message |
I suggest Kerry was maneuvered (unwittingly) into position in the primary |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Dean was the populist candidate and was smeared by the media |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. The scream was, in context, totally appropriate... almost a non-event. |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. I was disturbed by CNN's first version; but when I heard Dean |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Now that is a funny image. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. I love African Greys ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
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candice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
86. I have a Grey |
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MarkusQ (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. What was scary was how it was manufactured. (n/t) |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
34. ROFLMAO!! |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
60. Oh this is too cute! |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Totally agree with BlueEyedSon |
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AmerDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. here's a comment |
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MindLikeAParachute (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. How so? n/t |
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AmerDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. for starters |
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MarkusQ (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. I think you are missing his point. |
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AmerDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. No, I know you are missing the point. |
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MarkusQ (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Point by point |
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AmerDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I'm not going waste my time giving you point by point. |
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MarkusQ (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. *laugh* You might want to "waste your time" reading before you argue. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Anyone who thinks Kerry 'threw the election' is deranged. Period. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I suspect this may be a plant |
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Willy Wonka (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Um, care to explain *exactly* why Kerry conceded quickly |
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MindLikeAParachute (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. That I don't know about. |
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seito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. *sigh* |
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propagandafreegal (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
68. Yes, exactly Willy Wonka(lol!). Mike Ruppert says he threw the election. |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
70. Not that hard: he assumed that, since he'd lost the Popular vote |
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MindLikeAParachute (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. No, no, I fear you misread it |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. I don't think the original poster |
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Machiavelli05 (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Thank you. |
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marcologico (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. right on |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. But has since changed his mind |
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MarkusQ (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
62. What about people who think Kerry was set up? |
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The Judged (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
75. How can anyone legitimately say 57,000,000 votes is not strong or popular? |
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DemonFighterLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 09:23 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. That's a lot no doubt |
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Farah (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. No. I think that no matter who we put forward... |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No Democratic candidate could have won |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. I don't think Kerry was a plant, but... |
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Machiavelli05 (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
10. I agree with most of what you say |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. G.W. Bush failed to win his home state - twice. |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #28 |
65. It's true--W was born in CT |
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Machiavelli05 (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
76. exactly. |
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FloridaPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
16. I think the media picked the Dem nominee. There was the scream |
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IStriker (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. The media did just what they were told to do - trash Dean and... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. Sad you must win by 70% in order to get credit for a 53% win - but it |
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MindLikeAParachute (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Thanks, except |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. True - but there is no good wording of that thought - IMHO - so I'd |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
18. Kerry's problem IMO: |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. I have wondered some of those same things myself about the primary, |
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seito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
32. I wonder if we will be through fighting the primary battles by 2008 |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
35. With my tinfoil hat neatly in place, Kerry was selected (wittingly) and |
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PennyK (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
39. Believe it or not... |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
40. Oh no |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Thank you! |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
45. I still say that any candidate who couldn't make it out of the primaries |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. What is your tolerance level for dirty tricks by your own side? |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Exactly Eloriel |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. From what I heard |
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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. The Diebold system in NH |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. How did the results match up against the exit polls? |
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The Gigmeister (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
47. Dean was Rove's candidate... |
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renaissanceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. No, it was not a meltdown. |
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The Gigmeister (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:37 AM Response to Reply #56 |
77. He melted-down... |
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naryaquid (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Dean didn't "melt down"....The tape of "the scream" had the background |
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propagandafreegal (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Yep , Yep, Yep. *** vigourously nodding in agreement*** |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #47 |
81. So Rove would have you believe |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
48. I suspect there was no 'unwitting' about it. |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
50. I wish I could dig up my post from the primary |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
55. In my heart I really feel Kerry won in a landslide. |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Kerry's landslide, if one, was in the Electoral College |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:27 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. That didn't stop * in 2000 did it? Ya know that little thing called the |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. try not to get your feelings hurt |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
58. Okay, I'll state the obvious |
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RevolutionStartsNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:24 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Obvious, yes, but an important point |
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NAO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
59. Dean's greatness is a certainty, but so was his defeat (think 1972) |
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kerrygoddess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
63. Every Republican president since Nixon feared John Kerry |
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propagandafreegal (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
67. I like your analysis. I still have my trust issues w/ Kerry right now... |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:07 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. It's not a trust thing, Kerry just looked at history at first |
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propagandafreegal (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:53 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. For ME it is a trust thing. I don't understand why Kerry conceded so |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. fine and I don't feel a need to answer every word |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
72. Iowa had Dems voting for Bush who voted in the Dem caucuses. |
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O.M.B.inOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:30 AM Response to Original message |
78. And Reno lost the FL primary, leaving Jeb a weaker opponent |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 09:31 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Yup, but be careful-- the McBride folks will hear you |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
79. Good analysis. But you left out the role of the Democratic leadership. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 09:30 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Key word here "compromise candidate" |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 09:43 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Democrats it seems to me would rather lose than rock the boat. |
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candice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
87. Votes in California primary for Kerry were siphoned off to Gephardt |
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