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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:27 PM Original message |
Moyer - Emergency Motion to Preserve Evidence Denied |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Moyer should have recused himself. |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
183. Moyers had no reason to recuse himself. nt |
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Chimpanzee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #183 |
189. Yes he certainly does |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:43 AM Response to Reply #189 |
203. And what would that be? nt |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. Aw shit! |
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Al-CIAda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Outrageous! |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. Any idea what the exhibits were? |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. He lists them in the order. You have to scroll down. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. So no statistical analysis as prima facie evidence of fraud, just |
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berniew1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
171. But followup has documented fraud where the statistical analysis indicated |
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euler (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
179. We had no statistical evidence. |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
184. Stats don't meet prima facia evidence in this case nt |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. Legal Question: |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Lawyer's take |
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spooked (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. You're right, That the KEY: Re-Exit Poll Ohio |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
101. CASEOhio is working on a project like this and could use volunteers |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
141. Exactly. MoveOn has the system to do this. I emailed them repeatedly. |
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kitkat65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:56 PM Response to Reply #141 |
152. I e-mailed them a couple of time about this issue as well. |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #152 |
165. Me too. I was a precinct captain. I went to a post election MoveOn meeting |
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kitkat65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:03 AM Response to Reply #165 |
177. Do you know any other precinct captains? |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:40 AM Response to Reply #177 |
211. It wouldn't help here. I'm in Wisconsin. |
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kitkat65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 08:34 AM Response to Reply #211 |
224. Oh, well. Worth a shot. Thanks. |
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euler (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
180. To what end ? |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:26 AM Response to Reply #38 |
191. Even this would not begin to be evidence. |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #191 |
226. RE- exit polling evidence highly admissible |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #226 |
227. For every expert on one side there would be one on the other. |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. When you can't walk outside |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 09:06 AM Response to Reply #228 |
236. How so? Just as in FL 2000, An independemt groups like the NYT/WSJ |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 08:40 PM Response to Reply #226 |
231. Good post I agree in part and disagree in part. nt |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-04 11:32 AM Response to Reply #226 |
232. Admissible is one thing..... |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #232 |
233. Not the sole Proof but |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 08:29 AM Response to Reply #233 |
235. The fact that proof is missing is my point..... |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #235 |
241. Prior to the election, I remember that: |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 10:51 AM Response to Reply #235 |
242. Since the 2000 election I have always beleived that litigation |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 10:04 AM Response to Reply #233 |
238. Question? |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 10:11 AM Response to Reply #238 |
239. So the question is : did Triad "interact" with ballots |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #239 |
240. If an independent review of the equipment is not allowed, |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
225. kick |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. what about the canvass the Free Press did? |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. I still think |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
104. One problem in Ohio is Blackwell's refusal |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. I really don't understand this. |
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euler (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #116 |
186. Ohio law gives Blackwell... |
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nodictators (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
115. Don't judges and courts abhor statistical arguments? |
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euler (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #115 |
188. Would a judge allow ? Of course not. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
148. Couldn't Arnebeck use the Judge's refusal to recuse himself as a reason |
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shiina (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:58 PM Response to Reply #148 |
168. He said in an interview he would make an issue of the judge |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:56 AM Response to Reply #148 |
219. He didn't have to recuse himself. He only made an administrative |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
167. A "re-exit" poll would be nothing by hearsay |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
190. I am beginning to smell a rat in the filings..... |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. does this mean... |
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alexisfree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. yeap!! |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. There may be an "appeals" process or Arnbeck was putting something |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
69. The Ohio SC is not the place to launch a weather balloon n/t |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. Maybe Arnebeck can claim "Prejudice" and bump it to Federal Court, |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #59 |
199. They are in the Supreme Court of Ohio, there is no appeal |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
107. Yup, up the butt. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. Blech. The affidavit wasn't valid? Is it amateur night? |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
81. Arnebeck has some shortcomings n/t |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
102. I doubt there is ANYTHING wrong with the affidavit |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Your informed legal opinion is duly noted. |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. You're welcome. Anytime |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #102 |
128. There isn't anything wrong with the affidavit. No evidence it |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #128 |
134. Could the Ohio State Bar Assoc do something about this? |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
195. I HATE to back bite an attorney but this STINKS!!!!! |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:46 AM Response to Reply #195 |
212. hoo boy. now you're gonna get it. |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:54 AM Response to Reply #212 |
213. My degree of accomplishment in law means I have the |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
9. He dismissed it because the documents weren't prepared correctly |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. No. This is just the emergency motion to preserve evidence. |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. So WTF??? isn't a lawyer supposed to know how to submit an affidavit? |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. What makes you believe Moyer? Wouldn't he be spouting the party line, |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
125. EXACTLY. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
88. Just talked to friend who's been involved with Fortune 500 Co's Lawsuits |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I can believe the "nitpicking" argument to some extent... |
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gdub (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
122. Yo, beachgrl60 whatever. You have made some interesting statements... |
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zann725 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:35 AM Response to Reply #88 |
210. I trust Arnebeck. He knows what he's doing. Patience... |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
196. The short answer to your question is YES!!!!! nt |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Yes, I caught that too. You know better than I ,but when he |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. What's puzzling is that it wasn't properly notarized and affadavit wasn't |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I have to agree with you, Arnebeck has done at least |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
161. "Comes now before the undersigned officer" is pretty basic stuff |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
193. If this is indicative of the case then we are F*cked nt |
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henslee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. Read it. Saw the part about affidvaits being denied. Saw the part about |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. from pag. 3 here: |
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garybeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
214. I hate to say I told you so.... |
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steelyboo (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Its been awhile, so don't quote me, but I think what is meant by |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
63. This is an original proceeding in the state Supreme Court |
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steelyboo (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
144. thanks, I had forgotten what is normally written when they have a recused |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
197. In chambers means that there was no formal hearing. |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
94. It's there, and a different justice denied the Moyer disqualification |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
118. Ditto thought here ! |
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Darknyte7 (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
12. I bit of a blow, but... |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
68. Unfortuantely, |
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Darknyte7 (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Once upon a time as a judicial law clerk... |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
77. I am a bit more concerned, calling the motions and attachments |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. This is the same judge |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
113. He did not say complicated. He said that according to |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #113 |
136. Read the ruling |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. From my review of the courts opinion, Arnebeck might have wisely |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Read it, he did not say it was complicated, he cited the statute |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. i'm so shocked |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. How many lawyers constitute "most" in Ohio? You asked them? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
112. I thought you said you were a doctor in California? |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #112 |
127. lol |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. Certainly seems that way! |
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RevCheesehead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #127 |
135. Well, one, if not all of her personalities... |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. Arnebeck is undoubtedly unshocked as well.... |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
53. do you know what sarcasm is? |
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loritooker (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
114. Faye--you have a job? (sarcasm) : ) |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. i do now |
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loritooker (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #126 |
147. :(( n/t |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #53 |
202. Faye, did you ever get your DADDY's check so you can |
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regularjoe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. Specifics... |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
73. This is the harmless error rule and the part you should have noticed |
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The Judged (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:30 AM Response to Reply #17 |
216. TRIAD employee acted without providing both timely notice to and |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
18. Gosh, do you think "Justice" Moyer might be a corrupt Republican |
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elizm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
19. Should make AT LEAST one Senator angry enough... |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
85. No it will make them less likely to contest since the |
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Quakerfriend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:44 PM Original message |
I'm furious ! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
117. Hello, remember the 2000 election? Supreme Court elects * |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. How do you know so much about the validity of the evidence, and if you |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
76. I would have told him to redo it! |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
21. So, did Arenbeck anticipate this, that one judge would make |
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KingoftheJungle (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:47 PM Original message |
This is going to be really hard to fight |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
32. Unless we go street-level. Doable. |
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wendypan (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
34. Oh yes....wear them down... |
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KingoftheJungle (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:58 PM Original message |
even if you are right |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
159. We've fought tyranny before |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #159 |
178. Before you attack me, let me assure you that I am not a plant |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
24. Just another example of how OH officials are screwing up... |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
78. Frist and Alexander |
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GetTheRightVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
25. Yes, what is the follow up on this action today ??? |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
26. Can someone dig this pricks personal email up? |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
27. Appear to have shut the door.....HARD |
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spooked (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. We can STEAL AN ELECTION but YOU didn't have your witness notarized! |
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wendypan (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. NO WAY! |
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spooked (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I'm with you, really I am |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
31. Did Arnebeck Fuck Up? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. He did win an important case yesterday |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Oh is that so? And by whom? The one's whose campaign contributions |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
66. Could you give more info on why folks in Ohio think that? Where have |
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impeachthescoundrel (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
35. You aren't really surprised are you? |
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GetTheRightVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. We must continue to fight to show they will not defeat us, We Are The |
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SueZhope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
41. it would be helpfull |
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SueZhope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
44. i found this |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
51. Once again Arnebeck's mistakes bewilder me. |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. That's nice that you impune such nice motives to the judge. n/t |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. It's a court of law, not a popularity contest. N/T |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
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Terre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
98. I could say the same for you |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
119. You sure have a lot of animosity toward Arnebeck |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
56. Is anyone surprised? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Deleted message |
troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Want to explain that? |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I think the last thing we need right now |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #74 |
95. Pardon me... I think you posted to the wrong person. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. My apologies |
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troubleinwinter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Yeah, no problem. |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. I'm not saying he's perfect... |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
83. So, just when did the 'Dems" pick Arnebeck? |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:52 PM Response to Reply #61 |
90. The Democratic party did not pick him, I believe his group |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
75. Moyer "Highly Recommended" by Ohio Bar Association.... |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Do you think... |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. A word on "highly recommended" |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. Moyer's opponent was a retired judge.... |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
120. I've heard this too. n/t |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
185. How true, how true. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
64. Wake me when the Bush term is over |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
121. I may have taken all the Thorazine myself by then. n/t |
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Eye_on_prize (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:37 PM Response to Reply #121 |
162. Thorazine coming right up. Bush's New Freedom Commission will be dropping |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #162 |
182. I'll be eagerly awaiting |
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Alizaryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
67. Moss vs Bush is ascertaining that there was fraud |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
123. look at Ohio Secretary of State AND Co-Chair */*ey '04 |
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sepia_steel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
71. EGADS!!! I am stunned! |
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Kota (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
72. You say he isn't respected, he came accross well and |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
79. WTF Arnebeck does it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. Giving him the benefit of the doubt |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Maybe he has a small staff but these were not very lengthy |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Disagree...he wouldn't shame himself and his whole fight to show that |
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Doctor O (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #105 |
146. If my employees had made mistakes like this |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
150. So if you gave money to him, go file a grievance with the Ohio Bar Assoc. |
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euler (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:37 AM Response to Reply #97 |
201. I would not have agreed with you yesterday, |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #79 |
106. Are you sure any court would toss these? |
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livvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
86. What are they hiding? |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
103. Read The Law First: Remember when Anebeck promised.... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Something happened there....maybe he was "overly optimistic" but |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I'm not ready to throw him out, either... |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
130. If Arnebeck isn't familiar about how David Boise got tossed by Bush buddy |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #103 |
129. Oops ... CORRECTION.... |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #103 |
132. What I see is that he had a lot of time to prepare his filing so that it |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:25 PM Response to Reply #103 |
157. I sound like a broken record, but it's the MARGIN that is the problem. |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:04 PM Response to Reply #157 |
163. Yes, the margin = a mountain. |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:41 PM Response to Reply #163 |
174. Admitted. It's a big margin. |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:14 AM Response to Reply #174 |
181. I think Optiscan can be a problem, too. |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #181 |
206. True, but you can always go back and look at an optiscan ballot. n/t |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:26 AM Response to Reply #206 |
208. Oh, duh. I forgot about that :) N/T |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #174 |
187. Numbers, right away |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #187 |
198. We're on the same page here... |
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davidgmills (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #157 |
243. We definitely agree. |
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gdub (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
124. Yo, beachgrl60 whatever. You have made some interesting statements... |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #124 |
160. I'd like to know |
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fooj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
131. WHAT ARE THEY HIDING? |
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bemis12 (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
137. Moyer's Opinion on the disqualification request |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. Interesting, hard to argue when logic and the law are on your side |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
142. Is there a res gestae exception to the hearsay rule in Ohio? |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. It would be considered bias if it was a mischaracterization, from |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #145 |
170. Good point ... I guess it may be in the eye of the beholder. eom |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #142 |
149. Ohio v Roberts.....heresay may be admitted if has significant |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:00 PM Response to Reply #149 |
169. Thanks for the cite. n/t |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 05:28 AM Response to Reply #149 |
223. That made for very interesting reading. |
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shiina (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #142 |
172. Hearsay |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:46 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. Your example is an exception to the hearsay rule. |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #172 |
194. The Affadavit |
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thanatonautos (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:05 AM Response to Reply #172 |
220. Here's a link to Conyers' letter. Eaton's affidavit is appended to it. |
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shiina (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 07:52 PM Response to Reply #220 |
230. I think Conyers is right, it's admissible because it's part of the scene |
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sharman (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #172 |
229. Admission against interest |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
143. I think some comments here are naive on the political and grass roots... |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #143 |
151. Thank goodness someone recognizes difference between David and Goliath. |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:17 PM Response to Reply #143 |
155. Look, if what constitutes an affidavit is known to lawyers... |
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Helga Scow Stern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:19 PM Response to Reply #143 |
156. Praise the Lord and Thank You. Those "naive" comments were really |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:10 PM Response to Reply #143 |
164. Well said! N/T |
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idealista (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #143 |
173. HEAR HEAR! and lets stop eating our allies, our brave friends |
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jdog (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 11:48 PM Response to Reply #143 |
176. Wow, Peace Patriot. |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:36 AM Response to Reply #143 |
200. For sure |
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Left coast liberal (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:27 AM Response to Reply #143 |
209. Thank you, Peace Patriot, the voice of reason. |
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Alizaryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:34 AM Response to Reply #143 |
221. Thank you. |
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ebayfool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #143 |
237. Thanks, Peace Patriot - I can't tell you how frustrating it is to know ... |
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rumpel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
153. Found this analysis "Pleading and Discovery in an Ohio Election Contest" |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:28 PM Response to Reply #153 |
158. Nader was on my Mom's absentee ballot (Ohio).... |
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rumpel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:50 AM Response to Reply #158 |
205. I would bring it to the attention of Arnebeck, immediately |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:35 AM Response to Reply #205 |
217. Ok, consider it done, rumpel. N/T |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
154. Here's some input from another thread: |
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ihelpu2see (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-04 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
166. does this mean Moyer does not think the 6+ hour wait for |
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Last Lemming (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
192. Chill |
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euler (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
204. I would like to know your secret. |
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read the law first (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 01:11 AM Response to Reply #204 |
207. me? |
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LiberalHeart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:39 AM Response to Reply #207 |
218. I think your necktie is outstanding.... |
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IndyPriest (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
215. So, let's say we lose the emergency motion in Moss vs. Bush but |
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Alizaryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-04 03:46 AM Response to Original message |
222. Sometimes I stop and think that maybe it all comes down |
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NoBushSpokenHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-01-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #222 |
234. I think it was more about not having enough money to hire more |
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