Crossfire now

[Goldeneye]

Novak just called us lunatics. Mentions that Ohio recount re-enforces Bush's victory. Begala says he doesn't want to see democrats trying to install Kerry, like Bush was installed in 00. He wants to be consistant. Maybe we should give him a piece of our mind. Anyone got begala's e-mail?

[helderheid]

1. here

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?7

[flpoljunkie]

2. Me thinks Begala has perhaps "moved on"...to Hillary Clinton...not good!

[Kansas Wyatt]

5. Begala makes too much money....

Taking pot shots at Shrub, and wants four more years of the easy money. Besides, Begala is still too d*mn cozy with the Fascist Traitor Novak and F**ker Carlson. I gave up on Con News Network (CNN) a long time ago, since they only pander to Shrub surrogates and skull f**k any opposition or challenge to them.

Edited because it may have offended some freeper or fundie.

[IStriker]

35. When there was no highpaying job for Begala before the election...

he moved on to Hillary. Begala's fame and fortune comes from getting somebody elected to office and then living off that for the next four.

[wlubin]

3. Novak commented on the vigil at Kerry's house. He called us kooks

for thinking the election was rigged.

[Pirate Smile]

6. He said the protesters outside Kerry's house in Boston were like the

Japanese soldiers on islands thirty years after WWII ended who thought the war was still going on.

[Lugnut]

22. Personally speaking

I'd rather be a kook than a traitor.

[bunny planet]

29. I suppose we are also kooks for thinking he belongs in prison for

the federal offense of outing a CIA undercover operative. Novakula is probably afraid of * losing power because if he does, the get out of jail free card expires.

[colonel odis]

4. if i were robert novak, i'd be more worried about getting a

bullet in the head from a cia spook and less worried about trying to heap condescending insults on americans who give a shit about their country and its processes.

also, it's nice to see begala turn his little tail and stick his nose up hillary clinton's butt. he is such a wuss.....

[Im_Your_Huckleberry]

13. if i were novak

i'd put a bullet in my own brain and rid the world of myself.

[RaulVB]

7. Novak???

The guy who should be on jail for treason?

[GetTheRightVote]

8. I agree, American Citizens are finally concerned it is nice to see it

:kick:

I will still continue with the marching and the signs, this election was stolen and their lies can not hind it from us any longer.

:kick:

[mikelewis]

9. That's funny - on Limbaugh's Show, they made fun of it too

I caught a bit of the show today and on the show the sub for Rush was talking and making fun of the people staked out in front of Kerry's house. How interesting...

He was calling them crazy

[Goldeneye]

10. You know what's so stupid about all of this?

All we want is the truth. If they came out and said here, this is the voting machine. Inspect it if you want. These are the exit polls. Inspect them too. Here is Blackwell. Ask him whatever you want, because he has nothing to hide. Take Rove too. Ask him anything. We'll put paper trails on the voting machines and have them inspected by independent companies if that'll shut you up. If they would just do these things, I'd survive. I'd be miserable knowing Bush won fairly, but I'd be satisfied knowing we still had a fair chance in the future.

But they won't. What are they hiding?

[helderheid]

11. EXACTLY.

You hit it directly.

[TexasLawyer]

31. Exactly

I was had been resigned (sadly) in the days after the election to Bush's win-- UNTIL I found out all this stuff about suspected computer fraud and systematic disenfranchisement in Ohio, Florida and elsewhere.

The real "kooks" are the people who hear about the numerous troubling aspects of the 2004 election and then-- in spite of them all-- still say everything is fine. (Mr. Begala, are you listening?)

As Jesse Jackson said, we can deal with an election that was won fairly, but not one that was stolen. (or words to that effect).

Mr. Blackwell, just show us that our suspicions are misplaced.

[darkworkz]

12. Some MSM gets it right!

I'm new to posting on the DU board and haven't figured out how to start a new topic.

I sincerely apologize if this has already been posted by someone else but I think this is the most important documentary that DU'ers and others should see before Jan 6th!

The title of this 3 part program is: The power of nightmares / The rise of the politics of fear. This is a recent (in the past month 1/2) BBC program that delves into information most know but the presentation is of a type we (in the US) haven't seen in quite a few years. If you haven't see this video, please do yourself a favor and take time out to watch it.

The file format is Real Media so the video quality isn't that great. But it's viewable immediately and if you want higher video quality perhaps someone can find the torrent and seed it for DU.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

Text from opening transcript:

VO: In the past, politicians promised to create a better world. They had different ways of achieving this. But their power and authority came from the optimistic visions they offered to their people. Those dreams failed. And today, people have lost faith in ideologies. Increasingly, politicians are seen simply as managers of public life. But now, they have discovered a new role that restores their power and authority. Instead of delivering dreams, politicians now promise to protect us from nightmares. They say that they will rescue us from dreadful dangers that we cannot see and do not understand. And the greatest danger of all is international terrorism. A powerful and sinister network, with sleeper cells in countries across the world. A threat that needs to be fought by a war on terror. But much of this threat is a fantasy, which has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It’s a dark illusion that has spread unquestioned through governments around the world, the security services, and the international media.

VO: This is a series of films about how and why that fantasy was created, and who it benefits. At the heart of the story are two groups: the American neoconservatives, and the radical Islamists. Both were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world. And both had a very similar explanation for what caused that failure. These two groups have changed the world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they created today’s nightmare vision of a secret, organized evil that threatens the world. A fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful.

< OPENING TITLES: THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES / THE RISE OF THE POLITICS OF FEAR[br />
Part One: BABY IT’S COLD OUTSIDE ]

VO: The story begins in the summer of 1949…



VO: ...when a middle-aged school inspector from Egypt arrived at the small town of Greeley, in Colorado. His name was Sayyed Qutb. Qutb had been sent to the U.S. to study its educational system, and he enrolled in the local state college. His photographs appear in the college yearbook. But Qutb was destined to become much more than a school inspector. Out of his experiences of America that summer, Qutb was going to develop a powerful set of ideas that would directly inspire those who flew the planes on the attack of September the 11th. As he had traveled across the country, Qutb had become increasingly disenchanted with America. The very things that, on the surface, made the country look prosperous and happy, Qutb saw as signs of an inner corruption and decay.

[loudsue]

16. Thanks for posting that, darkworkz!! And WELCOME to DU!!

:hi::toast::beer: We're glad you're here! :party::silly::hi:

THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES is going to be a HUGE hit with DUers once they get to see it!!

I wish there was a way to order the film on DVD!!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Goldeneye]

17. Do you know of a another link to it?

I've tried to watch it, but that one doesn't agree with my computer.

[darkworkz]

21. download first part here

http://blogs.linux.ie/xeer/2004/10/23/the-power-of-nightmares/

You can dl the first hour at the link above.

Or try the past I did below.

The URI to TrackBack this entry is: http://blogs.linux.ie/xeer/2004/10/23/the-power-of-nightmares/trackback/

1.

ower of Nightmares

BBC programme that ran on wednesday

Lo-Fi (but Full-Screen watchable!)

6meg
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/2/power_of_nightmares_1_1of3.avi
30meg
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/3/power_of_nightmares_1_2of3.avi
29meg
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/washingtondc/media/video/4/power_of_nightmares_1_3of3.avi

[Goldeneye]

23. Thanks that is exactly what I was looking for.

I'll get a bowl of popcorn ready, although from the clip I was able to watch I get the impression its not that kind of movie...

[darkworkz]

24. It's the movie a lot of people have been dying to see!

In just under 3 hours (viewing time of the films) the viewer is taken through a short history lesson on who the hidden players were (hidden by time); what they did and thought; how their actions set things in motion and what we're living in the end of now.

Done in classic British style.

I think its more than worth your time and the clear understanding you come out with on the other side makes things "make more sense". And that's a good thing, I think.

[darkworkz]

32. BTW, Goldeneye...

After you've viewed the program would you please start a new thread and post your thoughts on what you've seen?

Perhaps this will get the word out to others that might not otherwise hit the link?

[darkworkz]

18. Thanks loudsue!

I just watched it yesterday and knew right away that this had to get out. I guess it only started making the "underground" scene on Tuesday and I hunted up the video ASAP. Not sure if I'm a johnny-come-lately on this but if not people are in for an eye opener!

There are DVD quality captures of this series available online, someone just needs to hunt it up and post the tracker address.

[AmerDem]

14. why do you bother watching CNN

to begin with.

[Goldeneye]

15. Old habits die hard

I'm a crossfire junky...but that is really the only tv I watch now that I've got DU...i'm a complete addict.

[AmerDem]

27. The sooner you stop

watching garbage like that the sooner you will be able to put more focus into getting the truth out about the corporate news media.

[McCamy Taylor]

19. Glad John Stewart shot Crossfire down, never watch CNN anymore

agree Novak should be in jail for refusing to divulge who committed treason within the government.

Also, did anyone else notice that while Tucker listened to his mommy and predicted based on the polls that Kerry would win, Novak was willing to stake his reputation on a * win? That means Novak was part of the election theft conspiracy, too, since he is not stupid enough to misread the polls that Margaret Carlson and Karen Hughes AND KARL ROVE could read.

:nuke:

[Vektor]

20. If we were really just "crazy"...

They wouldn't even take notice, or bother to mention it. Think about the last time a random crazy person approached you on the street...did you stick around and try to convince anyone looking or listening that the person was crazy? Why bother? You just knew it, and moved on.

The fact that they are obsessing so much shows that they are trying WAY too hard to convince themselves and others that our claims have merit.

They know we are right on track, thus, the overzealous "damage control."

[TexasChick]

25. Hey, Novakula, why don't you shut the eff' up? Why isn't your traitorous

ass in jail, huh? Oh, that's right, you're one of Chimp's bootlickers!

[TrustingDog]

26. BuggleyEyed Begala can go take a flying leap...

ever since J Stewart so clearly pointed out what a total ass Each and Every One of the Crossfire hackery is, I spit on them all. Novak still gets the bigger portion of spittle tho.

[Time for change]

28. Paul Begala is a good guy

I can't imagine why he is doing this. I can't believe that he believes that Bush won. And I can't believe that he would act like this if he knew that Kerry won. What other alternatives are there?

[RaulVB]

30. No, he is not...

If he is willing to work with traitors and right wing propagandists.

[IStriker]

36. What will you call him when he works for Hillary? What did you call him...

when he worked for Clinton? Actually, I didn't know he was a POS when he got Clinton elected the first time because I fell for Clinton until I realized he was a pseudo-Repuke crook.

[ShinerTX]

33. Money talks. He's part of the corporate media.

He's sold out to the MSM group think because it supplies him a steady paycheck. Why rock the boat and risk pissing people off?

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. The alternative that he, like most Americans, actually believes Bush won

What does Kerry think about all this? He won't even be in the country on January 6.