About those coat-tails...

[hootinholler]

Have TIA and the other statistical anomaly chasers looked at the coat-tails in this election? How many Senate and House seats won this election smell?

I've not seen anything about this and it makes sense to look. It's not worth stealing the oval, without backing it up on the hill.

-Hoot

[Warpy]

1. I've been wondering that, myself

Here in NM, they want us to believe 17,000 people left their nice warm houses to stand in line to vote for judges and not vote in the national election.

My guess is that Heartless Heather Wilson was handed her coruplent ass.

[MelissaB]

2. You are kidding!

:shrug: That makes NO sense!

[marions ghost]

3. good question

can anyone qualtify?

[spooked911]

4. this is a really good point-- although the Repugs may have felt that

their chances of keeping the senate was really good without cheating.

But, an important point is one argument that Bush DIDN'T steal the election is BECAUSE the Republicans also did so well in the senate races. This is, of course, circular logic.

Overall, I guess we have three main possibilities:

1) there was no real election fraud and this is all sour grapes and an overactive imagination on our part.

2) there was election fraud that only helped Bush.

3) there was fraud that helped Bush win and several Repugs win Senate races.

So I guess we really have to take #3 seriously.

Where to start?

[JoMama49]

5. I think it also happened in 2002 when all those Senate

and Congressional seats got taken by Rethugs. I know Max Cleeland really won his seat in GA and who knows who else? It was the rehearsal rig back then for '04.

[Georgia_Dem]

6. The Republicans may have gained seats fairly.

I can't say for sure, since some 2002 races were likely stolen. but the Congressional races' outcomes may have favored the Republicans legitimately. Let's look at them.

House: Tom DeLay's Texas redistricting delivered a really deep wound to the Democrats; they lost a lot of seats in that state alone. It would've been really hard to make up for that. Perhaps -- likely even -- they didn't.

Senate: As the media pointed out before the elections, the five Democratic southern seats that would not give the Democrats an incumbent advantage was not good at all. Tom Daschle polling close to
his Republican opponent meant that another Senate seat was vulnerable. When you add these two factors to one out of three Republican open seats pretty much locked up for the Republicans and the fact that incumbents tend to be reelected, it's entirely possible
that the Republicans gained Senate seats fairly.

[starmaker]

10. try north carolina

pres and sen races varied from exit polls
every type of voting system in country is located there
still have four races uncertified
problems all over the place

[Helga Scow Stern]

7. There was a thread on that the other day. Several people from various

states mentioned that the results were very fishy. In California we wondered about some of the propositions as well.

Someone from Ireland wondered if redistricting could have anything to do with winning Senate races. I thought no, but then I realized that it sure would help with disenfranchisement, since aren't districts divided into precincts, and then it becomes an easy way to restrict voting machines in districts where you don't want many votes.

There is an excellent 2002 article about redistricting in the Economist:

http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1099030

This issue of stealing the Senate is very important.

[rdmccur]

8. Here are some exit poll

results (Edison/Mitofsky) posted for use by the major TV networks (4 pm and 7 pm Nov 2) that have results for Congressional seats (by region)
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=Scoop+%2B+exit+poll+results&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3Db4e45a43f35d19f0%26clickedItemRank%3D5%26userQuery%3DScoop%2B%252B%2Bexit%2Bpoll%2Bresults%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dailykos.com%252Fstory%252F2004%252F12%252F31%252F16138%252F255%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPToolbarNS%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2004%2F12%2F31%2F16138%2F255

[rdmccur]

9. I guess this is useless though

since there's no breakout by state.