Dear Kerry Bashers

[graywarrior]

:mad:

and then this, :puke:

and, of course, this, :nopity:

and then finally, this: :grr:

this :thumbsdown:

this :spank:

and this :boring:

Get the fuck OVER IT!!!!! :smoke:

[WildEyedLiberal]

1. Hahahaha

Perfect.

[angrydemocrat]

4. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

[LittleClarkie]

12. The image shall be mine

A-rrrrooooooooo. Pant, pant.

[graywarrior]

2. and did I mention

:wtf:

[geomon666]

3. :|

Get the fuck OVER IT!!!!! :smoke:

Gee where have I heard that before? :eyes:

[LittleClarkie]

14. Yeah, well, a certain level of weeny whining isn't going to get us to 2006

intact.

So in one sense, yeah. But in another sense, no don't get over it. Remember how it feels but aim it in the right damn direction.

And when Kerry said that, I don't think he quite got the picture. I do believe he's got it now.

[garybeck]

5. Dear Kerry basher basher

DON'T GET OVER IT.

There is never going to be election reform unless people become more aware of the problems.

It is our duty to not let this rest.

Our job is not to criticize Kerry, but to raise awareness of the problems with the election. For some, part of that includes pointing out Kerry's lack of initiative.

If you don't like it then perhaps you should try to repeal the 1st ammendment.

If you really think we should all just get over it, then we might as well accept that we're never going to have another fair election in our lifetime.

So I guess while you're repealing the 1st ammendment, you can also take away our Democracy

[New Earth]

7. the poster doesn't mean get over the election

he/she means get over the Kerry bs and do what is necessary to come together and work the important issues, such AS election reform.

oh, and you could have at least told me you thought it sucked :hi:

[stillcool]

9. The Point Was NOT to get over fraudulent elections....

But to get over Kerry Bashing, which I happen to agree is a worthwhile sentiment. The man is not the problem, the system is the problem, and the lack of knowledge in this country is the problem. Ripping him a new one every other day may feel good to some, but it does little to advance anything, especially when many still admire him as a human being.

[garybeck]

10. it's not all or nothing

of course anyone who does nothing but bash Kerry is missing the point.

but by the same tolken I believe that anyone who said Kerry did everything right is also missing the point.

He missed a huge opportunity to raise awareness about election fraud. he did nothing.

we need to do all of the above. never forget what happened. do everything we can to fix the system. part of that is to point out that we need a candidate that will take election fraud as a major issue. Kerry did not do this. It's not like he was blind sided. Diebold has been putting these machines in for over 2 years now.

In Ukraine, they knew it was going to happen and they prepared for it and they did something about it. It took leadership. That was the biggest problem between 11/2, lack of leadership. The closest thing we had to a leader was David Cobb or maybe Jesse Jackson, who were fighting Kerry's battles for him because for whatever reason he chose not to speak up about the real problems with the election. I think that was a big mistake. There is never anything wrong with speaking the truth.

[stillcool]

13. We Knew It was going to happen here.....

long before Nov 3. I agree with you that we have no leader. But character assassinations are not the answer. Discovering the truth is.

[angrydemocrat]

15. Take a good hard look and remember

KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!



"FOR AMERICA, THE HOPE IS THERE! THE SUN IS RISING! OUR BEST DAYS ARE HERE TO COME!!"

[garybeck]

22. lots of substance to your argument there!

[angrydemocrat]

29. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

http://209.150.59.148:8080/dontphoto/herbert/image/image6.jpg

[merh]

21. There you go again!

Now didn't we discuss this? Do you know for sure what he is doing or not doing or are you just assuming???

Or have you made that appointment yet?

[garybeck]

24. enough already with the "he's working behind the scenes" crap

the election is over. he did nothing.

if he leads the way in election reform, great, but that's a separate issue.

his lack of action during the election is reason enough to warrant criticism. Even Arnebeck said that Kerry's remarks that there "isn't enough evidence" severely hampered his case.

[merh]

25. Enough already with your Kerry bashing and your inability to

comprehend that THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD HAVE DONE. \

Maybe you failed him. Before the concession and before the electoral votes were certified on December 13, 2004, did you provide him with evidence (real evidence) that they stole 2 plus million votes? Did you provide him with evidence, real evidence, that they stole over 118,000 votes in Ohio?

What the heck did you expect him to do that would have made a difference. Unlike 2000, the weed stole both the electoral votes and the popular votes. At least in 2000, Gore won the popular and the margin that he lost the electoral by was a smaller margin than what occurred in 2004. Do you not know the facts?

Stay out of pro Kerry threads if all you want to do is bash.

[angrydemocrat]

31. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

http://209.150.59.148:8080/dontphoto/lane/image/image5.jpg

[New Earth]

6. haha i wanted to say that so bad

but i was trying to be nice in mine :(

get the FUCK over it! w00t! now i can say it and not feel so bad :hi:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. and..

Thank you for playing...good night..





LOL! Greywarrior - you shame me, my feeble attempts to use emoticons artfully!

[LittleClarkie]

11. To which I would add

This is how I feel sometimes.


Depending on the time of the month, I might also feel like this.


This is what you're doing as you aim for Kerry. This is what you do to the Dem Party and yourselves in the process.


This is what we should all be doing instead of attacking our own.

[il_lilac]

16. depicts me perfectly

thanks for the graphics and the sentiment. Can't we stop attacking our own when they are finally fighting for us?

[graywarrior]

17. If we are going to remain democrats

we need to back a democrat even if he doesn't fit our image of perfection. The republicans are backing an IDIOT with every ounce of solidarity. The Kerry bashing posts here lately prove why democrats do not win elections. WE DO NOT BAND TOGETHER.

Freepers must love to read the bashing posts.

Karl Rove knows we do this.

ME? I'd love to sit Kerry down and say "we told you so." But I don't hate the guy.

Graywarrior/old :hippie:

[RevCheesehead]

30. KKKarl Rove probably has a membership here at DU. n/t

[Quakerfriend]

18. I just go an email from Kerry

asking for us to sign his petition to demand Rumsfeld's resignation.
Did anyone else get this??

[flpoljunkie]

19. Yes. I gladly signed it.

[NationalEnquirer]

20. ROFL! Sweet!

Lay off they guy, I mean, did anyone here really think he was perfect?
The man is a POLITICIAN, and will do what he can for
himself, so that he can do what he can for what he believes in.
He remains a statesman.
He lives to fight another day.
Why should he marginalize himself over something that would have been no use anyways?
Sounds to me he wants to be a part of vote reform, good for him and for all of us.

[NGU]

23. Thank you for this post

I think some people need to hear it. This isn't about Kerry.

NGU

[understandinglife]

26. I have the cure!! BE THE BUSH OPPOSITION ...focus; focus; focus....

...Senator Boxer and Senator Kerry certainly seem to be FOCUSED.


ONWARD BUSH OPPOSITION

[Straight Shooter]

27. graywarrior, you forgot this one, as we wade through Kerry bashing posts

x(

[pacalo]

28. Feel free to add these to your arsenals...

For photoshoppers, this one could be effective if it had a caption referencing those who are playing into WhatsHisFace's hands by turning against Kerry:

[seito]

32. Hey graywarrior

and



and definitely deserve this



and lest we forget

[merh]

33. Forgot to tell you how much I love this thread! Bravo!

Thank you!

[Peace Patriot]

34. Criticizing Kerry does not mean I don't like Kerry. In fact, I do.

And I also feel a lot of compassion for him. I think he was in a really tough spot, not because of no election fraud evidence (the evidence is truly overwhelming!), but because the BushCon Congress would never have done anything to oust Bush, no matter how rightful such an ousting would have been. So Kerry was in a dangerous position: Lead a revolution that might have resulted in blood in the streets, or shut up.

He chose to shut up. That's his choice. I might have liked a more courageous leader. But I cannot blame him for not risking his life in a head on battle with the most dangerous and conscienceless people on earth--and one that he didn't have much power to win. (I believe it was a matter of power, not facts.)

There is another matter, though, that really needs to be aired in Democratic circles--that the election system was a fraud GOING IN. I think we had a catastrophic failure of leadership on this matter--Kerry included--but he was not alone in failing to insure an honest election, or in failing to at least warn voters what we were up against.

BushCon companies owning the SECRET source code that counts all our votes.

No paper trail in a third of the country.

Extremely insecure, unreliable, hackable computers.

Not to mention the build-up of vote suppression in voter registration incidents before the election, which then exploded into massive vote suppression on election day, in Ohio, Florida, and New Mexico, at least.

Yes, Tom Delay and the BushCons strong-armed committees and prevented transparency measures such as a paper trail, but the Democratic leaders should have been SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER about this--and it should have been a campaign issue, a big one--because it is so FUNDAMENTAL. How can you have an election in such conditions? You can't. It's INVALID GOING IN.

And another facet of this bothers me. The Kerry/Edwards campaign lulled voters with promises that "every vote would be counted," and even collected money for a legal fund on election night. In fact, I contributed to it! --on the strength of Edwards' promise that night. Then Kerry conceded--while votes were still being counted--and they all walked away from it. I feel very, very, very betrayed about this.

I have NO criticism of how the campaign itself was run. I think it was a WINNING CAMPAIGN. So, what's to criticize?

But this broken promise about counting all the votes--combined with the utter negligence of our party leaders on the election system itself--may have just blown away a generation of new voters, and destroyed a fabulous democracy movement such as I have never seen in this country in 44 years of political activism.

And at the moment that we needed hope--when we were all crushed by this false result--and when hope had been the very MESSAGE of the campaign itself--nobody was there for us, not the candidates, not the party.

It's an emotional thing, I agree--and I think we do have to get past the emotion--but there is also a VERY, VERY IMPORTANT political and strategy point that we need to learn from it--a non-personal, objective, cold-eyed point.

Do these folks--our Democratic leaders--have the power in Congress to restore our right to vote? And do they even have the focus that would be required?

The history of HAVA tells us that they do not--no power, no focus. And the history of the campaign and of election day tells us that they don't seem to consider it a very important matter--that BushCons now own our election system. And Bush now has an even greater fascist majority in Congress.

I think we have a road we can take to restoring our right to vote--and I think it is only one left--the states' power over election rules. And it will require a state by state, county by county, highly focused, grass roots effort, to achieve:

a) paper ballots
b) hand counts

or at least

a) voter verified paper ballot that takes precedence over electronic tallies in any recount
b) open source code for all electronic equipment including central tabulators

and c) honest exit polls to verify the election and check for fraud (as is done everywhere else in the world).

If we do not do this, we will never be able to elect Kerry, or anybody else, as president--and we will never see another progressive Congress again.

If we rely on Congress and our Democratic leaders for this, we may get another disaster like HAVA (Help America Vote Act--which mandated electronic voting), but we will not get a transparent and honest election.

The Democratic leadership's failure on this matter is mind-boggling--and we really need to look at it.

[noclonyofthechimp]

35. Wahoo! Love it! Way to go! The man is extraordinary and showed

his presidential nature, once again, today and yesterday as he always does. Go Kerry! I love this man!:toast:

[Vinca]

36. Your post is divisive and nasty. Enough said.

[New Earth]

37. not as divisive and nasty

as the Kerry bashing threads :hi:

[Vinca]

39. People have a right to disagree. Even in George Bush's America.

I'm pretty tired of people who want to elevate Kerry to sainthood, but I don't post items that are mean spirited. If we can't get along in the forum, how will we ever come together to win an election? We can have different opinions without expressing them in this particular manner.

[angrydemocrat]

38. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

http://209.150.59.148:8080/dontphoto/young/image/image11.jpg

"Enough said".:hi:

[Peace Patriot]

40. Vinca, I don't really agree that this post is divisive and nasty...

...people need to let off steam. But I do think it's kind of mindless. Both pro- and anti-Kerry people need to think about the position we are all in now--with our right to vote gone--and evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the Democratic Party and the Democratic leadership, on restoring that fundamental right.

We should save partisan feelings for another time--when we have recovered our right to have a say on who runs our country.

I don't think people realize how close we are to falling irretrievably off the cliff of a fascist coup. BushCons control the presidency, the Congress, the courts, the military, the intelligence apparatus, the media AND the election system.

Germany 1934--the consolidation of all state power.

We have one potential power left on valid elections--the state's power over election rules. And we'd better get on it NOW. (Congress is not going to help! The Democrats have no power to restore our right to vote--or to do anything else--and they have been catastrophically negligent on this matter up until now.)

[Vektor]

41. Do they have smiley butt cheeks?

...So you can offer a moon, too?
:-)

[geomon666]

42. Well I'm going to eat a little bit of crow now...

and give Kerry some respect. He did vote against Nazi Lt. Rice so he did show up and put his money where his mouth was.

[graywarrior]

43. Hey Cow Hampsha!

:nopity: