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garybeck
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Thu Jan-20-05 10:53 PM Original message |
Conyers survey: "verifiable audit trail" is not enough! |
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ananda
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Thu Jan-20-05 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. paper ballots |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. why are paper ballots any better? |
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starmaker
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Fri Jan-21-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. open source code |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. doesn't provide a convincing explanation of why paper ballots are better |
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Igel
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. I guess (if nobody says this below) the only |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. exactly |
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sepia_steel
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Then maybe we should try 'Keep It Simple Stupid' |
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Igel
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Nothing's easy. |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. A professional, white-hat |
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imenja
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Sat Jan-22-05 01:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. study |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sat Jan-22-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Goodness, Imenja, |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sat Jan-22-05 06:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Do you, |
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imenja
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Sat Jan-22-05 08:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. you miss my point |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Sun Jan-23-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. No, imenja, |
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imenja
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Sun Jan-23-05 06:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. where will you find all these citizens? |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Mon Jan-24-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #78 |
102. You keep missing all the many points that I |
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imenja
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Mon Jan-24-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. practicality |
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imenja
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Mon Jan-24-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. another point: minor matter of the Constitution |
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Occulus
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Mon Jan-24-05 02:08 AM Response to Reply #62 |
101. you provided a link to a file on your hard drive |
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Amaryllis
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. I've read that hand counting is most accurate also but can't remember |
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KaliTracy
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. not if the paper ballots are tied to a voter via tear-off that has |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:27 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. The problem is in counting the votes |
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eridani
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. The problem is getting enough people to give a flying fuck |
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KaliTracy
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Fri Jan-21-05 07:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. on contrary. I do think that this is a way to mimize stuffing, extra |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. again, the problem is not the ballots |
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sepia_steel
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. i Can't trust a machine, ever. |
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Igel
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. This is a nightmare. |
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KaliTracy
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Sat Jan-22-05 12:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
61. yes, i'm idealistic. I envision a few more poll workers, Many, many |
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In Truth We Trust
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Fri Jan-21-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. By your own admission the fraud occurs in the counting. Since this is the |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. why are paper ballots "obviously" more fraud proof? |
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eridani
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Use both methods and check them against each other== |
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brindis_desala
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. I don't know why people accept absentee ballots |
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sepia_steel
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. That's because hand-counting paper ballots |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. agree on the profit issue |
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sepia_steel
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Sure there are. |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. please look into the history of fraud in American elections |
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Carolab
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. Paper ballots are getting the most support. |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. yes, I've seen his site |
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Junkdrawer
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Sat Jan-22-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
69. Hand Counts in front of witnesses... |
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Misskittycat
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Sun Jan-23-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
88. Please read the VotersUnite.Org report "Mythbreakers" |
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imenja
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Sun Jan-23-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. thanks for the link. |
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KatieB
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Thu Jan-20-05 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. Paper ballots, manual counting all the way up |
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uppityperson
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Thu Jan-20-05 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. Just because technology is available doesn't mean it's good or right. |
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In Truth We Trust
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Thu Jan-20-05 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Paper Ballots NOW! Hand counts NOW! |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. why? |
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Amaryllis
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Fri Jan-21-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. NO ONE is saying paper will do away with fraud. However, there is one |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. yes, I just did |
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Amaryllis
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You might find this article on the Canadian system helpful: |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. hand counts require honesty |
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artv28
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Fri Jan-21-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. It only takes one dishonest person |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. that simply is not true |
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artv28
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. What I meant |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. that isn't how they work |
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artv28
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Thanks - n/t |
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BeFree
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Fri Jan-21-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Hand counting |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. This is too important of an issue to be treated so lightly |
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BeFree
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Sat Jan-22-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Man, that's as twisting as one can get. You're good |
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imenja
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Sun Jan-23-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. you are simply wrong |
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imenja
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Sun Jan-23-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. Voting machines have been used since the early 20th century |
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Igel
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. Ack. |
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Amaryllis
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Sorry, I edited post #9 before I knew you'd responded to it. Didn't hit |
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imenja
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Sat Jan-22-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
70. I know the study |
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indigoblue
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Sat Jan-22-05 09:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. How about paper ballots, hand counting, and bi-partisan election officials |
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imenja
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Sat Jan-22-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. volunteers and courting |
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In Truth We Trust
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Fri Jan-21-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. Because |
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Wilms
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Fri Jan-21-05 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
7. A Paper Ballot is your friend. n/t |
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Amaryllis
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
12. I noticed that too and it really alarmed me. This is why we need to |
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Bill Bored
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
16. You are correct |
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Igel
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
48. It means if you find fraud (or have evidence of it) |
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4democracy
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
17. Conyers has a contact address on the survey site, everyone could |
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Amaryllis
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Fri Jan-21-05 01:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Do you have a link for that? |
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garybeck
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. here's the contact info. |
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4democracy
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Sat Jan-22-05 01:20 AM Response to Reply #21 |
63. I got this general response back from contact page email address |
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GuvWurld
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
20. How do I submit or post suggestions to Conyers beyond his survey? |
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tommcintyre
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Fri Jan-21-05 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
22. Also tell 'em it needs to be fixed by 2006, not 2008 |
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Stevepol
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
25. It's not the paper trail that's important, IT'S THE AUDITS!!! |
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imenja
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Fri Jan-21-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. true |
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indigoblue
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. I agree. Paper trails will become useless |
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spooked911
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Fri Jan-21-05 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
50. Agreed-- it's maddening we can't see the frigging code. |
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Time for change
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Fri Jan-21-05 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
53. I agree and more -- look at Ohio |
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Junkdrawer
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Sat Jan-22-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
72. Ohio was an education that was well worth the recount expense... |
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Bill Bored
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Fri Jan-21-05 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. You can make computers safe the same way |
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bluedonkey
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Sat Jan-22-05 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
64. I read |
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Laura PourMeADrink
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Sat Jan-22-05 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
74. You are right. They are probably already planning how to |
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bush_is_wacko
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Sun Jan-23-05 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
76. I noticed that too. I found his email and emailed him the same thoughts! |
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jdog
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Sun Jan-23-05 06:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Right. |
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bush_is_wacko
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Sun Jan-23-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. We're on the same page and were at the same rally! |
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jdog
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Sun Jan-23-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Hey BIW! |
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bush_is_wacko
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Sun Jan-23-05 10:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. 2pm on a Friday. This is why I can't make these meetings! |
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jdog
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Sun Jan-23-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I know what you mean. |
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imenja
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Sun Jan-23-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. no recycling |
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Dcitizen
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Sun Jan-23-05 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
80. paper ballots and hand count need 2 other conditions |
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meganmonkey
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Sun Jan-23-05 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
83. Here's a good link on Australian Hand Counted Paper Ballots |
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imenja
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Sun Jan-23-05 08:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. we used that same system in the nineteenth century |
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meganmonkey
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Sun Jan-23-05 08:27 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. The article goes into details about the security measures |
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imenja
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Sun Jan-23-05 08:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. couple of issues |
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indigoblue
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Mon Jan-24-05 12:04 AM Response to Reply #87 |
94. That's why we need to make election day a national holiday. |
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imenja
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Mon Jan-24-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I support that 100% |
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qwghlmian
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Mon Jan-24-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. I would love to see elections made a national holiday |
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indigoblue
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Mon Jan-24-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. If you decide to go to a beach instead, you don't deserve democracy |
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qwghlmian
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Mon Jan-24-05 01:03 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I was not talking about myself. |
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indigoblue
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Mon Jan-24-05 01:19 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. The United States is one of the few Western democracies |
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AtLiberty
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Sun Jan-23-05 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
89. Good ol' fashioned paper ballots... |
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Bill Bored
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Mon Jan-24-05 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
99. Make Election Day a national holiday and stop this "Early Voting" crap! |
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Joe Chi Minh
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Mon Jan-24-05 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
103. Here is how |
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