Now McCain is calling Dems "sore losers"...

[tex-wyo-dem]

Screw him...I've officially lost all respect for the man.

Confirmation of Rice Appears Certain

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By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - Despite strong dissent from a small group of Democrats, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) appears headed to overwhelming Senate approval as the next secretary of state.

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On the Senate floor Wednesday, Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., suggested Democrats are sore losers. Rice has enough votes to win confirmation, as even her Democratic critics acknowledge, McCain said.

"So I wonder why we are starting this new Congress with a protracted debate about a foregone conclusion," McCain said. Since Rice is qualified for the job, he said, "I can only conclude that we are doing this for no other reason than because of lingering bitterness over the outcome of the election."

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[La Lioness Priyanka]

1. you didnt lose respect for mccain when he campaigned for bush?

he makes me :puke:

[tex-wyo-dem]

6. Yeah, that (supporting Bush) was one of the final nails in the coffin...

but I still held a shread of hope for the guy since he often goes against the grain of the Rethugs (supports global warming legislation), but this is the final nail.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. John McCain also killed Vietnamese babies too.

:eyes:

It's only natural that John McCain would support a LIAR and a MURDERER of the innocent, since he has done the same thing.

[MadisonProgressive]

3. He's the lowest of the low.

[NationalEnquirer]

4. Why does anyone give him ANY credit?

The guy is obviously out for himself.
The Republicans really don't like him all that much, but that doesn't mean we should love the guy.
He is NO Zell Miller, thats for sure.

[ynksnewyork2]

5. Appears Certain????

My friend, her confirmation was NEVER in doubt!!!!Republicans are way way way too powerful at this time. We don't have the votes to do crap. Things are going to go their way until we stand up, take charge and start voting OUR people in. We can't give up!

[fasttense]

7. I use to think he would be the voice of reason.

I use to believe he was the voice of reason in the Repuke party but now he shows his true colors. I agree with you. I've officially lost all respect for the man.

[understandinglife]

8. My email to McCain:

"I can only conclude that we are doing this for no other reason than because of lingering bitterness over the outcome of the election."

Senator McCain, if this is truly your statement regarding the serious issues being discussed about Ms Rice's deplorable, unconscionable behavior as NSA, then you have no credibility.

Ms Rice systematically lied to the American people, their representatives in the 107th and 108th US Congresses, and the world. Her lies are a significant reason the USA is engaged in an illegal war, in acts of unspeakable disregard for human life, in acts of torture and in discrediting the USA in the minds of our allies and those who benefit most from a diminished America -- the enemies of freedom, justice, and diversity.

You, of all members of the Republican group in the US Senate should be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Senator Boxer and Kerry in NOT supporting an unpatriotic liar.

Thank you.


TBO;24/7

[L. Coyote]

9. READ AS: Now McCain is running for Prez in 2008

When your party is on the wrong side of an issue, spin is all the more important. This is simply a weak and transparent attempt to divert attention from the real issue at hand, the lies that brought us the War on Iraq.

It has come to light that everything Bush did, from day one in the White House, was part of the 2004 campaign. You can be certain that the 2008 campaign is in full swing already. Expect every issue to be framed in partisan rhetoric from here on out. The "flip-flop" tactic is now the "sore losers" initiative.

Dems need to get into campaign mode right now too. If not, all will be for naught again. I suggest the "liars, liars" initiative.

[understandinglife]

12. Agree with you and David_77: And, crucial to brand them, now -- LIARS.

And, make that brand stick and use the statements of support for Ms Rice as basis for labeling those who make them -- LIARS FOR BUSH; or BUSH'S LIARS.

The 2006 and 2008 campaigns have definitely begun and several of our Senators are showing us some zeal and courage I've not seen from the Democratic party since the early spring, summer of 1973.

Now, if can just get Dean in as head of the DNC.



TBO;24/7

[L. Coyote]

15. U write, "several of our Senators are showing us some zeal and courage"

There is just something about liars that gets the blood boiling. Thieves and cheats too! So, NO surprise to see their reactions.

There should also be a positive initiative, a "the honest party" initiative. How about an "I'm a DEM, I don't LIE." bumper sticker?

[understandinglife]

17. Now that would be quite a bumper sticker!!

I agree with the need to offer a 'positive intiative'.

What do you think of "We'll Prove Your Vote Counts" and have that be a bumper sticker supported by the DNC and PDAmerica?

Peace.


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[DearAbby]

23. THE DEMOCRATS "The Honest Party"

I like that, it's short, sweet and to the point. Should be drilled at every chance. Signs, bumperstickers...EVERYWHERE. I also agree that the Party should be on campaign mode. We have a powerhouse GOP out there and we need to Power-up ourselves.

[tommcintyre]

38. Gotta change the public perception of the Dem party first

In surveys, people generally rate members of both parties' honesty down with used car salesmen (at the bottom of all professions rated). In fact, a few years ago, a Korean company produced a voice lie detector (voice stress analyzer) that they claimed was highly accurate - except for politicians. They explained that politians lied so much they were desensitized, so the stress could no longer be detected in their voice when they lied. LOL

I DO think that the currently dominant repubs have taken dishonesty to a whole new level though, and many people of ALL parties (and independents too) are really sick of it and are looking for a change.

I think the actions of politicians like Boxer, Conyers, etc. are certainly a step in the right direction, and can only help to enhance the image of the Dem party. And certainly putting "Dean in as head of the DNC" will send a message of "new honesty". People are used to (discouraged/exasperated by) politicians sending "mixed messages". Dean's appointment will send a very clear message.

[fooj]

31. I recall them calling Clinton a murderer, a rapist...

All false accusations and over the top! Slanderous! However, proven liars need to be branded as such! A lie is a lie no matter how you "market" it!

[mod mom]

19. Wait until they screw him with jeb!

[David__77]

10. It's not bitterness it's political astuteness.

We must undermine and obstruct and damage all parts of the right-wing assault. This is called waging ideological counter-offensive with whatever tool is at one's disposal.

[demodonkey]

11. So if the Dems don't ROLL OVER and _____ they are "sore losers"?? (puke)

:puke:

I thought McCain was a brave man with some courage. But nah, McCain is the rollover, and to do so after the Repukes smeared him about his "black baby" etc... ugh.

McCain is on the list (with Colin Powell etc.) of probably honorable guys who have prostituted themself for the GOP.

Sad.

[Karenca]

13. yes I really used to admire Colin

I believe he has lost all credibility, and his career is finished.

[Karenca]

14. Now , I just hate all Repukes.........I cannot change my mind about any

of them.:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

[mod mom]

20. doesn't Diane Feinstein belong on that list as well. Forfeited

her integrity for her husband's government contract. SHAMEFUL!

[hoosierblue]

16. Who listens to McCain?

Seriously. Before Nov. 2 I watched him stand next to * and support him, even though McCain's face clearly showed his loathing/disdain for *.

Shows he's got a lot of conviction, huh?

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

18. Sore losers? He hasn't seen anything yet

nm

[Cha]

26. That's the attitude and I

like your username cause truer words have never been.. for years now.

[buddysmellgood]

21. What election? He means lottery.

[glitch]

22. Another tragic figure - I bet he thinks he has a chance running against

the bush machine. So anything but total appeasement is "sore loser" to him.
His corruption is hard to watch. Like seeing someone zombify right in front of your eyes.

[grace0418]

24. John McCain shouldn't be calling anyone names

He's such a fucking sell-out whore. He'll do anything for the highest bidder. Asshole.

[pbartch]

25. I gave story a 1 vote

Conde is a LIAR

[RaulVB]

27. I wonder if McCain will dare to vote for a guy that sponsors torture...

He was tortured when he was a POW...

I want to see how McCain votes. If he dares to support Gonzales, McCain has no principles and really is a worthless human being.

[Straight Shooter]

28. I bet he does, and he'll rationalize that we're in a different war now

McCain is a windsock.

[KerryReallyWon]

29. McCain now believes it is okay for war crimes? Bitterness over election?

Wasn't seven years in the Hanoi prison enough for him? Whey is he not sticking up for America? They are all on talking points! What about the fraud? To come out and say it is bitterness over who won, that is only part of it. The winner was not inaugurated. Condi is a big part of the boondoggle of Iraq. How come the atrocities seem to be okay with McCain, and we are partisan for wanting to talk about her "ideology"? Her record? I am sick about all this, and see no end in sight.

Folks, this has been going on for a long time. Even the local parties have backroom deals, and the elections were finalized before the vote. America is not the country everyone thinks it is. America needs to be exposed for what it really is. Regardless of party. If it is not exposed it will never change. Our money, blood, sweat, tears are worthless. With most in power saying Bush won and we should get over it, will the fraud be compiled and more importantly be exposed? Any time frame? I watch people going about their lives who have no idea! I watch them, but cannot be like them. I cannot move on and forget or stop working on this. I know what we have, I have known parts of it, for some time and I can't stand it. If I could leave the country, I would.

[fooj]

30. I swear...the man is bi-polar!

[torque]

32. Complaint email sent, wasn't pretty! n/t

[tommcintyre]

33. why we are debating a "foregone conclusion"? TOO OBVIOUS

"...I wonder why we are starting this new Congress with a protracted debate about a foregone conclusion..."

Ahhh..... to bring attention to certain problems involving this nominee? McCain knows that, I'm sure he knows better.

So that must be a preamble (feeble smoke screen?) for his real agenda?

"I can only conclude that we are doing this for no other reason than because of lingering bitterness over the outcome of the election."

This is a weak (desperate?) attempt to cast doubt on the credibility of election fraud investigation.

Way to go McCain! FREE PUBLICITY! Every time they bring this issue up, it has to make more people ask: "Hmmm... why would anyone have reason to have lingering bitterness over the outcome of the election?" "WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?"

I hope he (and his cohorts) keep it up. We need all the publicity (exposure) we can get on this issue.

[darkworkz]

35. They've got nothing else.

The way the Grassroots and a few key Democrats have "ambushed" their plans, this is the only tactic Karl and crew have in their arsenal. One could easily surmise that they weren't prepared, and with all of their "learning" they still are at a loss on how to recover! Believe it or not, grassroots movements aren't covered in most universities and especially not this type (won't go into details at this moment). Studies will be done on this in the future, but those "studies" are nearly impossible right now.

If you think the Elector Contest, Rice, and Gonzales matters have them confused and angry? Just wait until you see them when the "regular" business starts and the "people" haven't gone back to their normal placid sleeping state! They're really going to loose it on camera then.

Good times ahead! Keep sending those letters. And tell your friends!

[tex-wyo-dem]

37. I think you're right about the grassroots movement...

I've seen fire in the Dems in Congress that I haven't seen for a while, and I can't help but think that it's because people are finally starting to wake up to the reality of what's really goning on and getting involved, writing their congressmen, signing petitions, joining activists groups, etc.

I'll have to admit that before the election I was more of a passive Dem -- donated some money, followed issues here and there -- but after the election it was like my ass caught on fire...I'm not letting it die down this time.

[darkworkz]

39. even if you (individual) did

This thing (grassroots movement) is sweeping out of "control". There's nothing Karl and his team can do to put this genie back in the bottle.

There have been many spontaneous movements in multiple countries around the world. But what's taking shape here is unlike anything in western history.

Time will tell if that last statement is true.

[tommcintyre]

43. "...I'm not letting it die down this time."

You certainly are not alone. Many people are staying more involved/informed. They are demanding more of (and watching more closely) their politicians. That's how democracy works best, doesn't it?

[tommcintyre]

42. The ultimate grassroots movement tool. The Internet

This does appear to be the Achilles heel of the "Rovians". Nothing convinced me more than the thinly veiled Nightline anti-election fraud/anti-Internet bloggers "infomercial". This was unprecedented! To risk giving this issue such exposure on MSM, just to attack these two issues (election fraud/grassroots Internet activism)? Clearly, they are running scared ("...at a loss on how to recover!").

There is no way for them to recover using the old tools - including the MSM. The Internet is clearly a new mass info paradigm that is unmanageable (uncontrollable). Noam Chomsky explained in "Manufacturing Consent" how the media is used to manage the public view (manufacture consent) of the public. Because of its innate diversity, the Internet falls outside of this model.

Yes, I agree.

"Good times ahead! Keep sending those letters. And tell your friends!"

[BeFree]

44. Good point, Tom

Free Publicity!

And, it tells me we are having a great effect in the halls of Congress. We are being heard. WE ARE BEING HEARD.

Our guys and gals in DC are well aware of how votes are counted. Their whole lives depend on the 'how'. They kinda thought 2000 was just a mistake, but now they know better. They need our support, and McCain's words show they are speaking our language, right there in the halls of Congress, and that language is: The Election Was Stolen.

We have arrived, we are in the door, now we're gonna crash the republican party.

[BigBearJohn]

34. Someone should tell him the WHOLE WORLD thinks HE is a loser

[blm]

36. McCain is lusting for Bush's base in 2008. The ones who mocked his family

and treated them like dirt beneath their feet and then slandered his military service. THAT is the vermin who McCain wants to pander to now.

How sad.

[hippiegranny]

40. It takes a sore winner to say something completely

idiotic like that. For supposedly being "winners" the folks that are in control of this impending shipwreck sure are surly. One would think that once you seized the whole enchilada you'd be happiness and light. The pukes are more snarly than ever. Interesting, that...

[Joanne98]

41. So what.........