I went to a private party tonight in deep East Texas

[Horse with no Name]

and there were 2 bank Presidents, a district judge, a former District Attorney, an author, an attorney, and the owner of a large car dealership present and myself.
You know what we talked about?
What a fuckwad Bush was!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gawd I love it!
Have a great night!

[smirkymonkey]

1. Thank you! That's very heartening!

I thought you were going to say the opposite.

[Horse with no Name]

2. It's the first time since the election

that I have gone "out" socially professionally.
I was truly afraid of how I would react to a political situation that was in favor of Bush and since I do business with a couple of these people, I didn't want to bite the hand that feeds, know what I mean?lol.
I was put in a position and couldn't decline and I knew of these other people but not their political leanings, so imagine how enlightening it was to spend a few hours tonight discussing Social Security, Deep Throat, election fraud, and Bush in general with people that truly "get it".
One other huge topic was the lack of legitimate media coverage.
I threw out an idea of buying a radio station to take it liberal in this area--and these guys have the money to do it--so I am hoping the seeds take,lol
Oh happy day!

[smirkymonkey]

3. You might want to re-post in a forum that gets a little more

action than this one. I think people could use a little good news! :)

[Carolab]

10. I'm finding this out too. People you'd think were pro-* are NOT.

That's why I know this "election" is ILLEGITIMATE.

No way did * win fair and square. NO WAY.

[Gloria]

4. KICK!!

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[Nothing Without Hope]

5. Did they think he was just stupid, or do they believe he's dishonest?

Three other questions:

1. Did they express any susicions about the election being stolen?

2. Are they fearful of war with Iran or the other horrors in store?

3. Did they say they'd vote against him if the election were held now?

I'd love to know if you have time to tell.

It's a big step from thinking he's a stupid chickenhawk to realizing he's a criminal who has stolen power and threatens the world.

But saying ANYTHING against him is a step in the right direction. I'm betting they aren't too fond of DeLay either.

[Horse with no Name]

13. Nice answers to your questions

1. We talked about election fraud and were in agreement that it existed, although a couple were in the category of skeptical that it happened on as grand of a scale as it did.
2. I grew up in the 70's for the most part and I remember being fearful of the "Russkies". I think that most people fall into this category about those "Iran-eee-ans". We all felt that Bush's agenda was way too ambitious and underhanded. Nobody agreed with the war and all supported a pullout of our troops and all feel that Bush isn't done warmongering yet (divided actually on who the next target might be--Iran, Syria or North Korea) and feel that a draft is imminent. 1+1 always equals 2, and wars and inadequate troop forces always equal a draft and those who refuse to believe it are in denial.
3. They all voted for Kerry and would again if given the choice. There were even some leftover Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers on the cars in the parking lot.

And Delay,lol, well there aren't many intelligent people that don't see through his bullshit but he wasn't one of the favorite topics.

Of great interest is the author. He was in the administration of the Peace Corps and says they are one of the most corrupt departments in the government.
Said that when Clinton was President, they were told to show anyone anything they wanted to see.
Said that when Bush took over that Ashcroft told them not to show anything unless legal action was imminent.
I really didn't have time to delve into the meaning of this--since I had another engagement and couldn't stay but a couple of hours but would be interested if someone would point out the significance of the Peace Corps and what in the world they would have to hide?
Hope this helped.

on edit I find that he didn't work in the administration and just had dealings with them. Sorry for the misinformation but that is what I was told by the person who gave the party]

[crispini]

15. Ok, now THAT's weird.

Peace Corps corrupt? As a returned Peace Corps volunteer, that's interesting. Of course, I only have one person's experience, and I had a great one; my program was fine, my country director was fine, my peace corps office was fine.

Now, PC vols in the field have NO contact whatsoever with Washington. There's no reason to. So who knows what they get up to up there?

The obvious one, of course, is what's been rumored for years :tinfoilhat: -- they send out spies as volunteers. However, the host country governments are pretty sensitive about that kind of thing, and Peace Corps has a lot of credibility with many host country governments. We're even prohibited from joining CIA for 10 years after we serve, I believe. If something like this were proved to be true it would ruin the program, probably permanently, which would be sad since it does a lot of good stuff.

Very interesting. Who was the author, and did he have a book on this topic or something?

[Horse with no Name]

18. If I understood correctly he has won 4 Pulitzers

His name is Russell Carollo.

This is the excerpt from the Pulitzer Prize for 1999-
Russell Carollo and Jeff Nesmith of Dayton Daily News
For their reporting that disclosed dangerous flaws and mismanagement in the military health care system and prompted reforms.
http://www.pulitzer.org/

Also the google for this guy

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Russell+Carollo%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Pretty impressive.

[crispini]

19. Ah, here's his angle.

Good article, mostly hitting on lack of training, lack of support, crimes and assaults. Troubling, but no real :tinfoilhat: just administrative BS, IMO:

http://peacecorpsonline.org/messages/messages/2629/2024881.html

[Nothing Without Hope]

24. Thanks! I do wonder how they would take Bernie's fraud numbers on TX

I'm surprised that all of them voted for Kerry. I would have expected, say, the banker to have voted for Bush and say something like "I held my nose while I did it, but that Kerry was just awful." It's encouraging that this was not the case. They not only despise Bush, they put their vote where their mouth is.

I would very much like to know what their response --and the response of all Texans -- would be to Bernie's numbers showing the election fraud in their own state. Up to now, even many Dems calling themselves progressive have been very reluctant to imagine that their democracy has been hijacked. My own sister-in-law laughed in my face when I told her back in early December that the election had been stolen: "Come on! This is still AMERICA!!!"

THIS is the denial mindset that we must break through.

[Clark2008]

6. Doncha just love when that happens - and when it's from people you

never expect to have anything less than total benevolence for Dear Leader?

:bounce:

Glad you had a good time - now, can you come over and help me finish painting my living room/dining room (that's how I'm spending my weekend). LOL!

Seriously, I'm happy to hear this!

[Tigress DEM]

7. I was afraid their were going to be white hoods involved. whew!

[begin_within]

8. So how were you able to get into Death Row?

[Horse with no Name]

11. LOL-that's how I felt but it's

Just the price of doing business in a small town,lol.

[crispini]

9. Awright girl!

:thumbsup: :7

[AtLiberty]

12. I know prominent and intelligent Republicans in Texas...

...who are MORTIFIED that aWol is president. They reluctantly voted for him, but they do not like him. They don't hide their dismay at small gatherings with mixed company. They've known him from way back and how he operates...

[berniew1]

14. Texas election was closer than most realize- in spite of widespread fraud

There was widespread touchscreen switching in the Texas big cities and suppression of minority vote in many areas.

http://www.flcv.com/texas.html

[Nothing Without Hope]

23. Interesting - lots of people just assume Texas is all Red and

all pro-Bush. In fact, Bush gives a very bad impression of Texas to the world, a small thing next to his massive crimes, but a true disservice nonetheless.

Texans are good at detecting BS and speaking out about it. Bush is nothing BUT BS - he's the blivet** -- one dictionary definition of which is 10 pounds of manure in a 5 pound bag. (The two asterisks are for the two stolen elections.)

Your election numbers from Texas, while deplorable in terms of showing the huge scale of the fraud, are also encouragingin that they show that Texans are onto Little Georgie Blivet**. The party discussion supports that sense.

The question here is WHAT ARE THESE TEXANS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

[rigel99]

16. tthat's because Bush was never elected

he was never elected the first time and by a huge margin
he was not elected the 2nd time.

I predict he barely got 20-30% in either race as result of
vote manipulation, disenfranchisement and gerrymandering he pushed
his little belly barely over the bar...

it's nice to hear these guys talk in a party but we need them to write letters, to get out there and say the same kinds of things where it counts....

[berniew1]

17. Meetings like this should get around to discussing investigating & punishi

punishing those guilty of the obvious widespread fraud and malfeasance that was documented in the many thousands of EIRS election day hotline reports. See action plan in:
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

and documentation of the EIRS cases in:
http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html
http://www.voteprotect.org maps/ state / county

[Horse with no Name]

20. Well it wasn't a meeting it was a party

with drinking and eating,lol. It's just our country is so polarized that everything turns into politics.
I am not crossing these guys off my list for future activism, but it wasn't the time or place.
But I understand what you are saying.

[helderheid]

21. Another compelling piece

that makes me think ELECTION FRAUD! :)

[Peace Patriot]

22. I love blogs like this, that just give you a sense of how people are...

...feeling. There were MANY blogs like this just after the Election--many, many--and so many stories of like, that old jerk down the block, who you always thought was a Republican, suddenly putting a Kerry sign out in his yard, or someone's rightwing uncle, or grandad, or brother turning against Bush, or people who never voted before deciding to vote to oust Bush...

...it was overwhelming...

...and it wasn't just people voting for Kerry, it was people PISSED AS HELL and DETERMINED TO OUST BUSH, and so many stories like this that the numbers must have been huge.

And they were, indeed--as many reports are now revealing. The Kerry margin was likely well beyond even the Exit Poll 3%.

Imagine all those pissed off people out there who DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

It took about a year for the truthtellers to get the word out on the Iraq war--in the face of the media blackout of the truth. The same thing is going to happen on the 2004 Election Fraud, I think. It's going to hit just as the Congressional campaigns for '06 are gearing up. Don't know if we can have enough honest state election systems by that time--but there are hopeful signs that the grass roots are working hard, state by state.

(I don't think Congress is going to do squat--the BushCons in Congress took away our right to vote, they're not going to give it back just because transparent elections are the fundamental requirement for democracy--ha! They are not embarrasable. They don't care.)

[Bill Bored]

25. I guess he stole the vote in TX then too huh?

Your story is heartening but unfortunately it doesn't change a thing. I'm sure there are thoughtful reasonable people everywhere in our great nation, but there are millions who are clueless and uninformed and who believe all the propaganda put in front of them.

[helderheid]

26. he stole in all 50

How else coud he "win" the popular vote?