I have a problem with this BBV article

[Rex_Goodheart]

The problem is that when I show something like this to my Republican friends they'll immediately ask "WHAT appopriate officials? How am I supposed to trust a screwball website that doesn't even name names?"

I'd like to know. WHAT officials? I would ask on the BBV site, itself, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of traffic on their forums, and the whole arrangement there is confusing. So, does anybody here know?

TUESDAY MAR. 8, 2005: Investigation Update (Submitted to members of the House Judiciary Committee on Mar. 4 and Mar. 8.)

In mid-February, Black Box Voting, together with computer experts and videographers, under the supervision of appropriate officials, proved that a real Diebold system can be hacked.

This was not theoretical or a "potential" vulnerability. Votes were hacked on a real system in a real location using the actual setup used on Election Day, Nov. 2, 2004.

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/3826.html

[Chi]

1. Here are others....not the same event.

Heya Rex_Goodheart
Make sure you do the same to them every time they talk about an article.
It works both ways.

That article can be found on Commondreams, and Indy media.
No one bigger seemed to pick it up.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22In+mid-February%2C+Black+Box+Voting%2C+together+with+computer+experts+and+videographers%2C+under+the+supervision+of+appropriate+officials%2C+proved+that+a+real+Diebold+system+can+be+hacked.%22&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1

If they are serious, Johns Hopkins should suffice
http://www.avirubin.com/vote.pdf

Good article on the same, by Wired news
http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/print/0%2C1294%2C59874%2C00.html

[garybeck]

2. Deibold's response to the Hopkins report

was that the code was two years old. if this BBV invesigation is on current code, i believe it's new info. is the house jud. committee still investigating? I thought they were pretty much done.

[Chi]

4. Diebold can say what they want....

Heya Gary
I'll believe it when they (Diebold) open their code 8)

The only source I can find for the BBV investigation is BBV themselves.
All the articles I browsed over, used them as the source.

I believe the House Jud. Committee has never done an investigation.
Democratic members on the committee did, and that was summed up in Conyer's report.

There was another Congressional hearing on it.
But when they brought in a voter advocacy group that was born the week before, I stopped caring.

[garybeck]

5. agreed... but

if BBV did it on a current system, then Diebold can't lie and claim it's old code, like they could with the code that was leaked to Avi Ruben. So me thinks it would have more significance.

[Chi]

6. Absolutely....it would have more significance.

But since all source info for that story leads back to BBV, it's a little hard to put much faith in it.

If there was a corroborating source, like the county where it was done, or a witness, I would have no problem with it.

I looked over the article, and they don't even say where they were when they tested the machine. If I knew that, maybe I could find something in a search.

[Chi]

7. Looks like Rex asked his question there....

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/3826.html

They (BBV) say they have witnesses and videotape.
I'd imagine it's true, but that doesn't help Rex with his friends.
Nor does it help us get some corroboration.

[Bill Bored]

9. I thought this story was a bit nebulous myself. nt

[Bill Bored]

3. Try this one:

http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/dieboldftp.html

[shance]

8. BBV is hardly a "screwball website".

Their sources have proven to be solid and backed up with legitimate references.

Whatever personal issues you may or may not have, blackbox voting is very legitimate (and cautious) in publicizing its results and its research.

[Boredtodeath]

10. Uhhh, so can you get someone to name some names?

In mid-February, Black Box Voting, together with computer experts and videographers, under the supervision of appropriate officials, proved that a real Diebold system can be hacked.

We're 60 days out - who were the "computer experts?" Or the "appropriate officials?" Why haven't any of these people come forward with this supposedly "proven" hack?

Until some proof is produced that this ever occurred, it's an allegation. Many of which, coming from BBV, have proven to be untrue and unreliable.