I know why Kerry stopped fighting

[TheNonPanderer]

They had a discharge record they were going to offer to the press of his military service. I heard rumors on the net that it was uncovered and being prepared for use in this election.

So Dems ...it is up to us. Rove always waits to the last minute to spring something on a candidate to make them "Surrender"

Let's not blame Kerry. They got a Red white and Slime envelope in
the mail. The is the worsr case scenario we didn't think of.

But Im bettin thats why he scurried to the podium in the morning to concede.

[teach1st]

1. Plus he speaks French

and windsurfs. Sheesh. No wonder.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. What part of DD 214 you cannot read

yes I heard the rumors and you bought into them, WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No boy, he did something you cannot wrap your brain around, retreat to fight another day.

You think he is not involved?

I know they don't teach US History no more, but google 1960 and Nixon... you may be surprised, I suspect this is EXACTLY what is going on right now

[TheNonPanderer]

15. Well..

lol Rove could have had something couldnt he?

I love your scenario more though even though you called me boy.



:hi:

[papau]

18. Nixon 1960 used outside groups through 12/23 - just not his name

on any court suit.

[Name removed]

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[Obviousman]

3. where in the world did you hear this?

[checks-n-balances]

4. If that's the case, then why the rumor about him running in '08? n/t

[VivaKerry]

5. Uh hum, yeah, anything you say. n/t

*

[mzmolly]

6. I have another theory.

He conceded because Bush "supposedly" won by 3.5 million votes.

[Old and In the Way]

7. BS....thanks for playing, though.

More likely, he got a little message that warned him of the consequences of screwing with the BFEE.

[Syrinx]

8. but I heard...

That Bush is a homosexual and there are photographs of him engaging in anal intercourse with the former mayor of Nashville.

[LiberalAndProud]

24. It MUST be true. I heard it too!

[tnlefty]

30. Former mayor of KNOXVILLE, Victor Ashe, who is now an ambassador

but I don't recall the country.

[DenverDem]

37. Ambassador to Poland.

This story is well known for a long time in Knoxxville and in Houston as well.

[Helga Scow Stern]

34. Well, I heard

That he and Rove have matching lace panties.

[Ducks In A Row]

9. it was debunked long ago.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

10. "DD 214"

Kerry released his form and it shows that his service in the Military is COMPLETE and HONORABLE!!!

[Name removed]

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[Trahurn]

60. What Branch of the US Military did you serve in?

[alittlelark]

11. HAHAHAHA!!!!

scared, they are...

[Lefta Dissenter]

12. I thought it was because

his wife wears her sweaters around her shoulders... and we just can't have that going on in Our White House! :eyes:

[txindy]

28. ROFL!!

:toast:

[jbnow]

58. I wish the wife factor was funnier

But I am watching C-Span post election voter focus group in Ohio and one of the Bush voters mentioned kerry's wife as one of her biggest reasons for choosing Bush.

Not on topic with this thread I know...just shocking that Bush voters look almost normal, know how to talk and yet say such stupid things.

[Us vs Them]

13. I'm expected to believe

John Kerry would rather fade into the background, keeping his 'reputation' intact? If this rumour blackmail truly is the case, he will not be able to run for office in the future. Then why not fight to the death for the life of democracy?

[Winamericaback]

14. The point?

What would be the point of that?

The election was over, the people had already voted wether there was fraud or not.

Kerry is not stupid, he wouldn't concede because he was being blackmailed and then start to make noises about running in 2008 if that "information" would still be floating around.

No, sorry not buying that. The man conceded because he wanted to run again in 2008 and didn't want to experience the "Gore" phenomena.

To most people he looks like a decent guy now for stepping down.

[TheNonPanderer]

16. I keep hearing

Rove had something sent... take it with a grain of salt.

The reason I say this is because Edwards was so happy and persistent to count every vote.

I think Kerry had obstacles thrown at Campaign HQ beyond just the 3 million votes.

And every vote hasn't been counted. There is no real way to know unless we count every ballot by hand.

I suspect all counties had their numbers fudged greatly this time around because Bush wanted a margin of victory and they were not going to get beat by a landslide.


So i don't know why people scoff at this whole notion that Rove's militia sent something at the last minute late in the night.


He has done more evil things than that.

[TheNonPanderer]

19. Thats just how I see it

I dont believe the 3 million popular vote.

I think alot people lagged in counting that night.

And thank god we can have recounts in some states.

I do believe the consensus is...KERRY did win it's just the obvious suppression of the Truth that America wants Bush to leave....


TAAARRRRRNASSHUN!! I am entitled to my view or theorys DAGNABBIT!!

(Wheres my Yosemite Sam emoticon?"

[Robbien]

22. You sure do know the Freeper mantra

Do you also have an "Thank God for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" plastered all over your car?

[TheNonPanderer]

23. im not a freeper

I detest that malicious site. Oh my god what photoshop lying hateful beligeren extremists LOADED on that site.

[Robbien]

29. Then why do you spread the rumor that Kerry has something to hide

Nice of you to keep the freeper vicious rumor alive on the web. I wonder how many other places you post that Kerry has done some very very very bad stuff and he is sooooo scared.

[demosincebirth]

17. Just think all the money the U.S. could have saved with

Teresa as First Lady. We could have eliminated half of the translators in the Gov.

[KansDem]

50. Yeah, and with Kerry as President...

The government could have eliminated ALL of the translators necessary for "Bush to English" translations...

[mcg]

20. Kerry's military records including honorable discharge on this web page

see

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html

in particular 'Honorable Discharge From Reserve'

not so for bush:

http://www.discourse.net/archives/2004/10/is_this_the_smoking_gun_on_bush_national_guard_record_and_why_you_should_care.html

[Felix_de]

56. From the Naval Reserve - what about active duty

That website shows honorable discharge from Naval Reserve, what about Active Duty...

That's still not public record.

[mcg]

62. He was transferred to the Naval Reserve, there's no issue here.

He got an Honorable Discharge from the Navy. Period. You can't get both types of Discharges.

"That's still not public record."

I don't know what you mean by that, the Navy has backed up Kerry on this. Bush and his cronies should actually take the Ten Commandments to heart, one is "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

http://www.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/080504_truth.html

"In total, Kerry served on active duty for three and a half years, from August 1966 until March 1970. He was transferred to the Naval Reserve in 1970, and was later transferred to the Standby Reserve in 1972, where he no longer was required to participate in Reserve activities. He received his honorable discharge in 1978."

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/John-F.-Kerry

Also regarding his medals:
"The Navy Inspector General's office completed a review of Kerry's medals in September 2004 and concluded that "Senator Kerry's awards were properly approved"."

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/John-Kerry-military-service-controversy

[leftchick]

21. I heard Kerry wasn't really in Viet Nam at all....

I heard he really was in the TANG and went AWOL... :eyes:

[TheNonPanderer]

26. Why such condescending attitudes

Listen I think Kerry was going to fight but then he realized there was no point because they were going to drag up something in the news to distract the counting... So I think he really did pass the ball to us. And maybe thats healthy for all of us. Because we get a chance to do something this time.

I still wonder how you can count all the votes in a election in one night accurately.

Something about that to me strikes of obvious corruption.

I will change this theory "I think" why Kerry conceded instead of "I Know" that was misleading title come to think of it.

[txindy]

32. Corruption? No. More like diplomacy and good manners.

That discharge rumor was propagated by Drudge and Freeperepublic. I can't imagine why anyone here would believe such rot. :shrug: It's a puzzlement.

[BlueCaliDem]

46. Listen, TheNonPanderer....

Listen I think Kerry was going to fight but then he realized there was no point because they were going to drag up something in the news to distract the counting...

Right. Like anything in Kerry's past hadn't already been dragged up by corporate media, Swift Boat Liars, fascist 537's in the campaign!
C'mon! Kerry's got NOTHING to hide! BUSH, on the other hand, has enough in the shadows to fill a 927 page book! NOT to mention, Dick "F-Word" Cheney!

I still wonder how you can count all the votes in a election in one night accurately.

If they really wanted to, they can. Canada can hold an election night, and have ALL their votes counted in up to four hours with paper ballots!
Then again, Canada doesn't have the corruption so prevalant in this government, do they?
I believe they no longer have Republicans in any amount of control in their progressive, Canadian-electorate-friendly country.

[madrchsod]

25. 5 more posts and the flames appear!!!!!

or will this thread be locked....

[TheNonPanderer]

31. Why flames though?

Its just my opinion.

Why am I not allowed to think ROVE had one last silencer for election night? I just think he would go that low. I've seen alot theories. My theory isnt like Im saying Bush was King of the Lizards and David Icke knew all along. Is it that far fetched?

I wonder how Ken Mehlman feels that everybody wants to make Gay people less than human. I don't think he would smile knowing that fun fact.

[Zen Democrat]

27. Sorry that's not it. That "discharge" business was very bogus.

The Freepers that started this apparently didn't understand the difference between a discharge and an officer resigning a commission.

[TheNonPanderer]

33. I saw it on other boards though

Not the Freep place...

Look, I voted for Kerry and I wanted John to win and I still want him to win.
I like a President that snowboards and reads alot and did served alot of time in the senate.

That to me are good qualifications.

Am I hoping for a Boston Miracle? you bet... but its not going to devastate me if that doesnt happen.

Come to think of it...I'd rather bring some people in the hacking/tampering ring down in flames for taking and suppressing votes by the millions.

[savetheuniverse]

64. the real boston miracle was

that codetalker Chester Nez blessed them (by that I mean he PRAYED for them to win), and they knew he was for Kerry....then they came out fightin for the chimp. well yaknow what, reports from Indian Country say that reverse curse has just been reversed...

i never believed kerry quit fighting, the moment he made the speech i said now that's a smart man.....

why i wouldn't be surprised to find him STROLLING around the blogosphere....

flippin from one floppin blog to the next....

(and i'll have you all know that i got in deep doodoo at the powwow yesterday for talking politics at a social event....i said, "sorry this is a state of emergency" and i just kept talking and talking and passing those little helpamericarecount.org thingies out...leavin a paper trail and lots of hopeful happy people at the powow!!!!!

Wow!

[DenverDem]

35. Bull Fucking Shit!!!

He is still fighting.

Don't bring that manure in here, asshole.

[Kansas Wyatt]

39. This crap is from the same jerk-offs who.....

Are the Not So Swift Boat Veterans For Lies.

[YellowDoginthehouse]

36. I'm smelling troll....

I thought trolls couldn't start threads....

[TheNonPanderer]

40. Im not trolling

its my theory.
I don't know how I can convince you of that.

And I still think Kerry did the right thing if the GOP forced his arm. I don't know what is so "negative" about that. It's just the way everything played out.

I still hope they convict people of fraud/suppression and e-vote tampering convictions.

[HEAVYHEART]

38. TROLL ALERT

[TheNonPanderer]

42. Again not a troll

Sorry if you think my theories are so off base.
Wow...

You can disagree with what you think but I still think Karl was not going to wait a few more days. He wanted that headline George for President in the afternoon.

You can lock the thread its just my theory on the way when I saw John react in his concession speech it was like "I cant believe those bastards went there"

I still don't believe the 3 million popular vote.

I think Kerry still had more and he obviously had the electoral too.

I don't know the History of trolls on this board. I just came here because it was reccomended to me on a music site-okayplayer

Seriously ........I listen to Air America Radio
I love Mike Malloy.

I don't like Pandering to the media.
I donated to ...

Help America Recount
and
Alliance for Democracy

[HEAVYHEART]

67. Where are you? What city?

[Catherine Vincent]

41. No you don't.

Be gone!

[TheNonPanderer]

43. No I dont?

What are you talkin about?

What do I need to prove that Im not a troll? This board is really sensitive to the T word.

Thats just my OPINION why I think Kerry conceded.

HOLY CHITT Let me summarize what I think

I think Kerry conceded not because of the popular vote but because he didnt want to put his family through the spectacle of being a tainting the Democratic face. Even though I knew Kerry probably had the popular vote by a big margin too.

I check Gnn.tv everyday I am so far from a troll.
That's kind of ridiculous but oh well...

[Trahurn]

44. You're As Stupid As The Freepers are for falling for this

Kerry Put his DD214 on his website. Every time I have had to request a copy of my DD214 is has to be a "raised seal" copy. My DD214, John Kerry's DD214 as well as every other veterans' DD214 are the absolute and unimpeachable documented record of "all" aspects of a service man's separation from the US Military. Did you not see Kerry's 214? I did. Where were these folks going to come up with something that didn't exist other than a blatant lie which could have been so easily refuted? And one more thing. If this was such a powerful weapon against Kerry why wouldn't they have used it during the campaign itself instead of some "vialed" threat to insure he did not investigate the election results? My god what a fool you are. Are you sure you're a democrat?

[grasswire]

45. you can't blackmail someone...

...with info that's already out in public conversation. The "discharge" rumor had been worked up for months prior to the election. Freepers even went so far as to hold a press conference and public protest somewhere in Washington the week before the election.

No donut.

[vanboggie]

47. Bunch of bull n/t

[Gyre]

48. There's only one problem with that theory

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING they haven't lied about already, and ALL without supporting credible documentation. WTF do u think the Swift Boat Vets were saying?

Sorry, I'm not biting.

Gyre

[John Q. Citizen]

49. What's that funny smell? Fr Fr Fr Fr Fre Fre Fre Freeeeeee

I can't say it but I sure do smell it.

[Imagevision]

51. Kerry Stopped Fighting?...(no way!)

I think Kerry is doing the most sensible thing by laying low --allowing the Ralph Nader's-Bev Harris etc. groups to lay out the floor plan to exposing the truth's behind this stolen election.

How much more difficult would it be if the press jumped all over Kerry if he was to announce his personal feelings of voter-fraud etc.
it's smarter to simply allow the truths via private investigations come forward then to hamper them by starting up the "Limbaugh-Hannity" machines not to mention FOX-news putting their two cents in.

Example: Ann (the wench) Coulter couldn't refrain from bad-mouthing Keith Olbermann for his coverage...could you imagine the fuel they would have if Kerry came out and used the "F" word (fraud).

There's a time and place for Kerry and the media to get together and it has much to do with the progress that is being made, have you been to Bev Harris's web site lately? http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
Give it a hit...franc

[ailsagirl]

63. Who said Kerry has stopped fighting??

Where do these rumors COME FROM?????

Hasn't this been posted already on DU ??

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm

[WinterStorm]

52. When I was a kid I had 9 of this little dolls

They were suppose to bring me good luck but I had them because they were cute. What were the name of the little dolls with the different color hair that stood straight up? Jeez I can't remember what they were called but I think that they lived near a bridge. :shrug:

[Dem_Loyalist]

53. OK, where did I put that tin foil

:)

[Dr Fate]

54. They would not have saved this until after the election.

n/t

[Gracchi]

59. Not a troll, just wrong

Why a troll would care to post this is beyond me. People, stop calling anyone who disagrees with you a troll. It makes you look like a baffoon.

TNP, that's just not true. Absolutely not.

[MileHiStealth]

61. The real truth is that Teresa runs a prostitution ring ...

and the Bush twins work for her. This is a
family feud, just like the Bush/OBL thing.
Now get over it ...

[milkyway]

65. DU has become Unsubstantiated Rumor Central.

And usually from people that just joined this week.

I think we should have 200 replies discussing the truth of this.

[mbee]

66. A moderator on C-Span (Steve Scully is his name I think) told a

recent caller that the story on the net about the Kerry discharge was proven to not be true.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

68. Part of me is upset that Kerry conceded so quickly

and part of me is proud of him acting so graceful. I really don't believe that the people wanted another incident like in 2000. If fraud is proven in ohio it is possible that we could swear in Kerry in jan. If not we need to get both houses in 06 hopefully we can have some new folks running the show to help us achieve this goal. We have a great product (so to speak) we just need to market it better like the GOP has done. We also need to ensure that fraud is not present. If you disagree with me that is fine but, in the end we all need to support the dems and retake our country.

[Razorback_Democrat]

69. I don't believe it!

These rumors were abundant prior to the election.

they would have used them if they were real, count on it.

other posts have explained it above.

[Bozos for Bush]

70. Another Freeper Alert - putting out freeper info about Kerry's discharge

Absurd.

[Moderator]

71. Locking......

This looks like hearsay unless you can
provide a credible link to this story.

I am locking this thread. Please feel free
to repost when you have a link to a credible
news source.


Thank you.

DU Moderator