It's not a "conspiracy".....it's an "agenda".......

[ParanoidPat]

.......or so says an acquaintance who considers himself a 'Libertarian' but is also an avid Kool-Aid drinker who "believes" that MOST election fraud is committed by Democrats regardless of what proof I show him and feels that all news stations are liberally biased and FOX is centrist but leans liberal on occasion. :crazy:

As crazy as I may think he is on most points I think he may be on to something here. :evilgrin:

There was no one big 'smoking gun' conspiracy in this election, rather, an agenda within the Republican party to win at any cost by any means necessary.

A full accounting of all lost votes will show beyond a reasonable doubt that the majority of 'problems' affecting our election favored one party in particular to an extent that is statistically significant pointing to either a spoken conspiracy which is highly unlikely or more likely, an unspoken agenda shared and executed by party faithful.

In the 2000 election, estimates reach as high as 9 million for the number of Americans who were disenfranchised. In 2004, that figure may ultimately be even higher. We need to do an analysis of our entire electoral system and determine the amount to which each form of election fraud contributes to the total, and then starting with the biggest causes, aggressively attack each problem until all are resolved.

[wurzel]

1. There is no need of "conspiracy".

Fox simply hires spokesmen who quite genuinely believe the trash they talk. So conspiracy doesn't occur at that level. The "conspiracy" is among the owners of the media in the hiring practice. Voting fraud will be impossible to prove unless there is total pressure from the Dems in Congress. That will not happen because they were also elected with this system. They are more interested in keeping their solid seats than abstract "democracy".

[gmoney]

2. it's not "organized crime" it's a "political party"... (eom)

"It's not a gang, it's a club!"

[Pobeka]

3. Your acquaintance is "anti-democratic". We are for voter confidence.

Time for some framing of the debate, we have to use psycholinquistics of our own choosing.

I give credit to mzmolly for the "voter confidence" frame.

[ParanoidPat]

4. I tend to like the 'agenda' frame of reference.......

......as a counter to the 'conspiracy theory' label being thrown around currently. :evilgrin:

It's a more accurate description of the range of practices that was employed in this election to spread out the disenfranchised votes in such a way as to divert attention from the unprecedented amount of fraud in this election cycle and limit the 'perception' of the amount of damage any one type of incident caused to 'publicly acceptable' levels.

A full national accounting of "where the votes were lost" will ultimately explain everything. :)

I fully agree that "voter confidence" is what we are ultimately after. :hi:

[Straight Shooter]

5. I agree that there is an agenda

I also have no problem with the word "conspiracy," because to me it's just a legal term. Two or more people who make an agreement to perform an illegal act to achieve a legal end; or, two or more people who make an agreement to perform a legal act to achieve an illegal end. (edit: I guess you can add, two or more people who agree to perform illegal acts to achieve an illegal end.)

To those who dare to raise the "conspiracy theorist" talking point, I say, "Well, don't be such a Pollyanna."

That usually shuts them up with a very surprised look on their face :)

[savetheuniverse]

6. You are so right about that....

and it was as dirty a trick for their own CONSTITUENCY as it was anything. you know, i kept ASKING myself, WHERE are all there Republicans coming from -- note that in the one article I wrote BEFORE i came in here, i speculated that 40 million might have gone red, but not 60.

I just kept saying where are these people who supposedly voted for dubya. And they knew it too, that is the people who voted for him. They KNEW they weren't in the majority, I mean it was like 75% of us were suicidal, they couldn't even ADMIT they'd voted for him.

[savetheuniverse]

7. ps and even then, i didn't blame the people who

voted red, i just saw them falling victim to propaganda...we'll get em to come back around....

LONG LIVE CHESTER NEZ