Anyone ever feel like Bush is the new Hitler

[Chimpanzee]

and us libruls are the new Jews? I wonder how long before they start tattooing us?

[godblessthebeastinme]

1. if you lived here, you 'd already be home

http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/

[ncrainbowgrrl]

4. weird- the photographer's name is Scott Peterson n/t

[Slit Skirt]

40. John Buchanan found bush family ties to Nazis

documented in the national archives.....he just did a tour of some of the battleground states talking about this. Grandpa Bush made and hid money at a time when it would have been considered treason.

[BREMPRO]

49. i read this too...

Prescott Bush = W's grandad, sheltered capital for an elite German industrialist/war profiteer who had close ties and business dealings with the Nazi's- before AND AFTER we declared war on Germany in WWII. This is public record, althought much of the Bush family record has been scrubbed to keep their all american image from being tarnished. War profiteering seems to run in the family.

[sadman]

37. does anyone really, REALLY think...

that they'd do that? That's a pretty scary thought...

[Horse with no Name]

46. It all starts with isolation

Isolating entire groups out of the mainstream. First up to bat is gays.
Then you have to take control of the bodies (right to choose).
Then you start the indoctrination (he has plenty of right wing religious nuts).
I'm shivering in my shoes and wondering why anyone else (outside of the smaller groups) can't see where we are headed.

:scared:

[RagingInMiami]

2. Yes

[lizzieforkerry]

3. They will tattoo the gays first

I really understand how the Jewish sympathizers felt under Hitler for the first time. I've got a room in my basement if anyone ever needs to hide.

[Spiffarino]

28. I fear you may be right

If they start trying to round up homosexuals, they are welcome to hide in my basement, attic, wherever. If the going gets rough, we'll be ready for it.

There will be no surrender to the Fundevangelicans.

[Az_lefty]

5. Not sure if Hitler is right....

with the politicization of the CIA this is looking more like the old Soviet Union....

[Chimpanzee]

9. Fascism is mostly what I was referring to

[BREMPRO]

47. 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism... sound familiar?....

by Dr. Lawrence Britt
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need."

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

[PhuLoi]

6. yes n/t

[BlueEyedSon]

7. Gee, I never thought of that!

[LongTomH]

53. Baronness Ann of the House of Pain!

All she needs is the whip.:evilgrin: Dark glasses and a long cigarette holder would add a nice touch! :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

And yes, I do have a degenerate imagination!

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[Triana]

8. Meet the new Fascism...

...same as the old fascism....

George W. Hitler
and
Karl Goebbels

[aquart]

10. But Hitler was a competent demogogue. HIS speeches were rousing.

Now, he murdered a large part of my family and much of the western world but give him his due: he was articulate.

George may well beat Hitler's kill figures. I have faith in his ability and his essential sociopathic heartlessness. But Hitler had skills. He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth and handed the job, every job. He made it on talent.

George needs a bug up his back.

[Cadence]

42. Here's some of what he used to say in his speeches

"The (Nazi party) should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!"
- Adolf Hitler

"There must be no majority decisions, but only responsible persons, and the word 'council' must be restored to its original meaning. Surely every man will have advisers by his side, but the decision will be made by one man."
- Adolf Hitler

"Our strategy is to destroy the enemy from within, to conquer him through himself."
- Adolf Hitler

"It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge"
- Adolf Hitler

"The German people are not a warlike nation. It is a soldierly one, which means it does not want a war, but does not fear it. It loves peace but also loves its honor and freedom"
- Adolf Hitler

"The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force."
- Adolph Hitler

"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."
- Adolph Hitler

"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?"
- Adolph Hitler

[shakerbaker]

11. Rove + Cheney=

Hitler + Georbels

Bush=Edger Bergans Doll

[newyawker99]

21. Hi shakerbaker!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Webster Green]

12. We're not supposed to mention that....

No matter how obvious the comparison is, it is considered "over-the-top", or even "beyond -the-pale" to mention it.

It makes us look like whackos, dontcha know?

[Chimpanzee]

13. I am a wacko - about to whacko them right upside the head

[Dinger]

14. Scary, But It Could Happen . . .

if we let it.

[Kralizec]

18. GO PACKERS GO! (had too, sorry)

:bounce::bounce::bounce:
:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Kralizec]

15. Yes. Check this site and see why I am shitting my pants, and freaking

out because so few Americans see what is happening.... ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!



Fascism Anyone?

Mike Malloy Site, Gallery section

Crazy times...

[TexasChick]

25. They don't care! Give them their tax returns and let everything else work

itself out! That is what a freeptard twit said to a reporter! I kid you not! Let everything else work itself out! Yeah, go ahead, George, start World War III with no major allies on our side! Nice, Chimp!

[dewaldd]

16. same shit, different asshole (image)

[Tace]

17. Bush Is A New Breed Of Charismatic Dictator

It is the Bushco team that make the Third Reich seem second-rate.

I know this is baseless speculation, but does anyone else think Bushco team members are addicted to serious drugs (Oxy?), just as the Nazis were hooked on amphetamines? I mention this, because I don't understand how they can be so insanely savage.

I'd like to add this: Cheney's personal physician stepped down a few months ago because of his own Oxy addiction.

[distantearlywarning]

19. I was on the bus the other day and it was dark and raining outside

and I was thinking about everything that happened this election, and all the crazy stuff I read in the dark corners of the internet, and about the rumors of a draft and invading Iran next, and the thought suddenly came to me:

Am I living in Germany? Am I a 1930's German citizen? Is this what it was like?

It was a chilling thought. I actually shivered. We really are taught our whole lives that we are the "good guys". And even the most cerebral and independent of us believe it somewhere deep down in our hearts. America The Brave. America The Good.

But what happens if we aren't the good ones? What if we are the bad ones? What does that say about me as an American citizen (even one who voted for Kerry?)

When I am old and gray and sitting in my chair, is some graduate student getting his Ph.D. in American History going to come interview me and ask me, "How did you not know? How did you live your life not knowing that this was happening? What did you think your country was doing when it started invading the Middle East? What did you think the young men of your country were fighting for when they were shipped off?"

[shakerbaker]

20. Exactly

why I cried for so long after the election. My country has left me.
I want to take it back!!!

[Karenca]

24. Me too

I cried and cried........

[kerry-is-my-prez]

31. I think about that a lot. This will be looked upon as the blackest days.

And we witnessed it all AND tried to fight against it AND tried to warn others. In a way - I feel cursed but privileged at the same time. This will make McCarthyism look like nothing.

[Kellis]

39. I have been having these exact thoughts!

Iv been in a state of anxiety not knowing what to do!

Iv written the media,my congressman and I talk about what is happening right under our noses to everybody but my family and friends just think Im over re acting.

[Domitan]

22. Way too early to tell

I'm more inclined towards a leader comfortable in a fascist/totalitarian society. His Asian soulmate would do well as a Chinese leader.

[Shopaholic]

23. All my life I wondered how the German people sat back and

allowed Hitler to rise to power and do the things he did. Now I know.

[TexasChick]

26. It only takes a few sheeple to buy into the kool aid, doesn't it? n/t

[Domitan]

51. You misread me

It's too easy and kneejerkish to compare Bush to Hitler now. What I meant was that I see Bush more as a fascist leader (e.g., China, Russia, and other totalitarian states) than a mega-villian of a leader like Hitler or Stalin.

[bleever]

27. I prefer to think of him as the "Ain't-I-Christ".

[TexasChick]

30. "Ain't-I-Christ"! LOL! n/t

[Spiffarino]

32. Ding ding ding!!!

We have a winner!!!

rotflmao

[Digit]

56. That was a giggle and a half!

Thanks for the laugh.

[Spiffarino]

29. More like Mussolini

...in that Bush and Company are true fascists. Their ideology is built on meshing government with corporations so that they enrich and empower each other with little regard for the general welfare.

[restorefreedom]

33. no, not at all...

made you look :)

yes, of course. Sadly, the gays will be the first - they are already under attack from the right wing crusaders.

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." -- George Orwell

[solinvictus]

34. No...

Hitler was a self-made, articulate, and intelligent man despite his flaws. Bush is a puppet doing the bidding of evil men.

[Cadence]

50. So it would be Karl Rove

that's actually running off of the hitler playbook.

[TangledThorns]

35. Cheapened

As a Jew who had relatives that died in Poland under Hitler during WWII I find such statements like yours offensive.

[Kralizec]

38. his point is he thinks it may be happening again

[caligirl]

36. The Producers

Saw the play and of course that Bush thought just wouldn't go away.

[ailsagirl]

41. Sinclair Lewis recognized the potential in the 1930s

Lewis wrote the book It Can't Happen Here. This is from amazon.com:

Novel by Sinclair Lewis, published in 1935. It is a cautionary tale about the rise of fascism in the United States. During the presidential election of 1936, Doremus Jessup, a newspaper editor, observes with dismay that many of the people he knows support the candidacy of a fascist, Berzelius Windrip. When Windrip wins the election, he forcibly gains control of Congress and the Supreme Court, and, with the aid of his personal paramilitary storm troopers, turns the United States into a totalitarian state. Jessup opposes him, is captured, and escapes to Canada.

Gives one pause.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451525825/103-9140127-2433426?v=glance

[lizzieforkerry]

44. Isn't there also a book about if Charles Lindner had become president?

Can anyone help me out with the title?

[bleever]

58. Yeah, it's the new Philip Roth book, "The Plot Against America",

and it imagines if Charles Lindbergh had become president after winning the 1940 election.

[lizzieforkerry]

60. Thanks, I think I am going to read it.

Have you?

[Technowitch]

43. Liberals, gays, anti-war activists, Muslims...

...we're all targets for the Re-education Camps, which in my humble opinion are but one terrorist attack away.

[boi1946]

45. You've forgotten the entire female gender--

They're already attacking Planned Parenthood and sex-ed programs. Roe vs Wade will be revoked. Then they will home-school all their good little Laura-clones, keeping them barefoot and pregnant. (Of course, they can wear their shoes to church three or four times a week.)

[grace0418]

48. all the time

liberal or gays. He seems to be starting with gays, then he'll move on to liberals.

[unpossibles]

52. written by a RW on a local music board. Sad and scary

"Meh.

The "oh no letter" does not affect me in the least, because I've seen identical letters for Bush from people that live in New York, right at ground zero. Sorry that she feels unsafe. In her mind, the only way to fight an enemy that has sworn to kill you is to befriend them. You can't befriend people that want you dead. You just can't do it. It'd be great if we could. Think of the savings in terms of lives alone. But we don't live in that world....this world is a violent place where things are decided by bullets. It doesn't happen here, it doesn't happen in Canada, or Mexico for that matter. We don't see it. Since we don't see it, we can't fathom it. We can't fathom "honor killings." We can't fathom virgin women in South Africa wearing yellow ribbons to tell the potential rape gangs out there that she's AIDS free and they should respect that fact and not rape her because the AIDS epidemic threatens to end the existence of one third of the country.
We have had it easy for the last twenty years. Now all of a sudden we have to actually get our hands dirty...as a nation. The US has been doing things that most of the population would find "disgusting" or "ethically challenged" for years. But it's been behind the scenes. Now its out in the open.
And its our own damn fault.
We got soft. The Iron Curtain fell, "We're in the clear", we thought. No need for this pesky army. No need for all of this intelligence community. No need to worry.

When you are number one, there is always someone looking to take you down.

Kerry's way was not the right way. Bush's way may not be the right way either, but its a better way. When you are dealing with people that traditionally settle disputes with bullets...you have to speak to them in their language.

Only one group of people give a damn about this country and this country alone and only one group of people will fuck over every other nation of non-Americans to ensure that the United States is as safe as it can be. And that's evil conservatives. Not Moderate Republicans. Not Conservative Democrats. I'm talking Nationalism here people. And that's what guys like W are. He goes above and beyond conservatism.
Unfortunatley Nationalism is a slippery slope. While this is true:
Liberalisim=Socialisim=Communisim
then this is also most certainly true:
Conservatisim=Nationalisim=Facisim

And here's where it gets sticky. We are in a period of time where nationalism serves us well. But the great fear, and mostly by liberals is that the big F will set in. Rock knows, the big F does no one any good save those in power. It's always a risk. But it's also very easy to step away from as well. Socialism is not.
Right now, right here, today, rampant conservatism serves this country well. Down the road, maybe it won't, maybe a more centrist view will be appropriate. Unfortunately, we cannot fix the house until the storm has passed, and it is weather of our own making.....until we make the world realize that the United States of America is the strongest nation in the world...with a fucking bullet....we then have to screw the pooch and bite the bullet on some social issues.

I don't like it. As a Nationalist, I'm an isolationist, I don't give a damn about anyone but you and me. But right now, at this point in time, we cannot focus on internal matters. Regardless of how we got here, it has to be addressed correctly.

Unity never won a war. "

[Longgrain]

54. Nay...

Hitler, evil as he was, had at least some inkling of intelligence and charisma...

I suggest, if you want to find the new Hitler, just look behind the shrub...

[Dinger]

55. * Is Worse...

he has more power than Hitler.

[Shalom]

57. BUSH + SHIT + HITLER = BUSHITLER

An affinity group, obviously....

[Petrodollar Warfare]

59. Well, seems a lot of people all over the world have made analogies

FYI: I don't make these statements, but I recently stumbled upon this thread which is a compendium of sorts. BTW, as an American it makes me sick to see how far we have fallen in 4 years...

http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler.html

Artists, writers, singers, poets etc
Harold Pinter. Corin Redgrave. Ted Rall. Annoy.com. Jay Baker. Aaron McGruder.

Commentators, columnists and pundits
Scott Ritter. Harvey Wasserman. Thomas Walkom, Toronto Star. Neil Clark. Dave Lindorff. Paul Street. Samir Amin. Iver Bogen. Yamin Zakaria. David R. Hoffman (Legal Editor of PRAVDA). Federico Fasano Mertens, editor of La Republica del Uruguay. Wayne Madsen. Dennis Kaiser. Prashant Bhushan. Dr. Norman D. Livergood. Samir Hussain and Pranjal Tiwari. The Daily Collegian's Donaldson and Gonzalez. At OpEd News: Rob Kall and Robert Thompson. Bob Fitrakis. Hugh Pearson. Bill Burkett. Carl Doerner. Adam Engel. Thom Hartmann. Michael Berglin.

Political campaigners, campaigning organisations
MoveOn.Org. Ken O'Keefe. Edward Jayne. PeaceAware. Assorted demonstrators, 20th March 2004. Protestors in Greece, 2003. Take Back The Media. Rev James Love. A Voice for Freedom. Axis of Logic. georgewalkerbush.net. Human Rights Action. Flying Fish. What Really Happened. Assorted demonstrators, March and November 2003. One T-Shirt vendor among many. Unknown News. George Soros. Another T-Shirt vendor.

Politicians
John Valder. Fidel Castro. Government of North Korea. Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei.

Fringe
oilempire.us. Ireland's OWN. Fallout Shelter News. NoGW.com ("no George W"). The Public Cause Network. Biblebelievers.org.au.

Two samples from this list...

Iver Bogen

Iver Bogen (emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Minnesota, Duluth), writes about the "The Nazification Of The Republican Administration":

Just as Hitler was installed (but not elected by the German people) as the Feuhrer by the Nazi party, so George W. Bush was installed as President of the United States by a conservative Supreme Court. In both cases, governments used "national security" as an excuse to launch an assault on democratic freedoms. While "lebensraum" was a rallying cry for Hitler, Bush's "evil axis," referring to North Korea, Iran and Iraq, was supposed to generate patriotic "no-think" here in the USA.

Just as Hitler detached himself from the League of Nations, George W. has been assuming a more insular position internationally. ... Just as the burning of the Reichstag provided the Nazi party with the opportunity for shredding the Weimar Constitution, so did the attack on the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 provide the Republican administration (Cheney/Ashcroft/Rumsfeld) with the rationale for abolishing the freedoms granted to all citizens in the American Constitution. ...

...and one more...

Ireland's OWN

10 March 2003 - Bush and Hitler: "Whenever I equate George Bush with Adolph Hitler many immediately conclude the comparison is little more than hyperbole with a liberal sprinkling of exaggeration. You can almost hear minds slamming shut and rational discourse being terminated, even though the analogy is quite valid in many respects...."