This Election is Not Over -- With Exciting New Math Calculations!

[Roger_Otip]

great article over on daily kos, similar to greg palast's, showing how kerry could win without need to prove fraud:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/14/144941/51

[liberal N proud]

1. Last I heard they hadn't counted the absentee either.

I don't know if that has changed over the weekend.
There were record numbers of absentee this year.

[BlueCaliDem]

6. URGENT: SIGN THE NATIONAL REVOTE PETITION AND HELP JEFF FISHER

Here is the link to Congressman Jeff Fisher's blog. He claims he has hard evidence that the elections since 2000 have been hijacked through tabulation, and voting systems and has an insider who has come forward.
Currently, he is working with the FBI to blow the lid off of this treason, but is urging all Americans to sign the petition for a national revote. 25,000 signatures are needed and we're still under 600!

Jeff Fisher site:

http://www.jefffisherforcongress.com/

[For PaisAn]

9. signed, thanks

[bearfan454]

12. Done n/t

[liberal N proud]

28. Done

[mzmolly]

2. I'll take any kind of win, but if there was fraud ... I'd like it known

Thanks for the link ... and welcome! :toast:

[donachiel]

3. Very nicely done - A real cause for hope

With all the praying my family and friends have been doing during both the campaign and since election night, I'm sure God is listening. May the best man win. :)

[bleever]

4. Exactly! And most of the U.S. has no idea what's coming.

;)

[chorti]

5. some recounting is necessary

There were anomalies in Cuyahoga County and some other counties, making (at least) a selective recount necessary. In some counties, like (Optical Scan) Lucas, probably no recount is necessary, because the results are quite "clean". There the issue is making sure the provisionals get counted.

Check out my articles/reports:
On Cuyahoga
http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/11/1704733.php
On Ohio Counties
http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/11/1704769.php

Tim

[crispini]

7. Good stuff!

Welcome to DU, chorti! :hi:

[oscar111]

15. Congresman or just running? overvotes?

site says he will run against foley.

What are undervotes and overvotes.. from Kos about Ohio.

Thanks,
oscar

[newyawker99]

46. Hi chorti!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[StephanieMarie]

8. Stalin on counting votes:

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
We cannot stop until we have a transparent, auditable, verifiable, re-countable nationwide voting system. Until that time, "We the people" are screwed.

[ochazuke]

10. Isn't Kos overlooking this problem>

The provisionals this time have to have been cast in the correct precinct, even on statewide races. There was a back and forth in the courts on this leading right up to the election, but I think the desicion is final and it will likely reduce the number of valid provisional ballots.

That fact doesn't seem factored into his calculations.

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[bearfan454]

13. Sure you are.

[liberal al zib]

14. Shhhhhh!

Do not speak the truth.

[ElementaryPenguin]

16. No!

YOU concentrate on 2008 - we're not letting Repukes get away with another election theft!!

[liberal al zib]

19. Who "we"?

Kerry and all the Democratic party leadership are not pursuing this whole "election fraud" story.

[JohnnyCougar]

17. but there is going to be a statewide recount.

[txindy]

18. Yes. Yes, there is going to be a recount.

And a beautiful thing it will be, too. B-) :party:

[liberal al zib]

20. What state wide recount?

The Greens asked for a state wide recount but there is no guarantee that they will be granted it this recount. They have to go to court for this. Furthermore any recount will not occur until after Dec/1 when the election is certified. The electors will meet on Dec/13. You cannot finish a recount in less then 12 days.

[JohnnyCougar]

22. They have the money now to pay for it.

they are already recounting votes in Warren County, Ohio. I don't think that is related to the green recount. I was under the impression that the recount would start right away if the money is there.

[liberal al zib]

24. The Ohio Election Law states that they can

ask for a recount within five days from the certifiation of the election results, which is Dec/1st.
Go to Ohio Secretary of State web site and search for election law and you will find the above.

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[Mandate My Ass]

32. The telltale sign: Don't count the votes because you'll look crazy

:crazy:

[IAMREALITY]

43. Please, Please, Go F@!? Yourself......

Stop hindering our momentum. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Chimpanzee]

21. Only 75% will count, and they'll split 50-50.

Great evidence - you should be a trial lawyer!

[BlackVelvet04]

27. Mark Warner?????? surely you jest.

[Timefortruth]

29. No one has talked about the military ballots

and the rest of the properly postmarked absentee ballots.

The few reports of military votes made public so far favor Kerry by a wide margin.

When will they be counted?

[dkofos]

41. 2008 is too late

[IAMREALITY]

42. Have some Koolaid to go with your Rice, Jackass n/t

[Chomp]

25. One bit of Math...

I'd like to see is the ratio of number of voting machines per polling place v. number of voters per polling place.

The mathematics of any bias on the basis of Red/Blue, Black/White, Urban/Rural would be very stark and would be a clear sign of conspiracy to disenfrancise if shown in the maths.

Has anyone seen these sums done anywhere?

[chorti]

40. voter turnout by size of precinct in Cuyahoga

I did some research looking into voter turnout by size of precinct in Cuyahoga County. Wow! In Democratic precincts (where a majority voted for Kerry), when the size of the precinct is greater than 1000 registered voters, voter turnout was only 48.7% (not counting absentees or provisionals); yet when Kerry-majority precincts have less than 695 reg. voters the turnout was 61.1%. This is a drop of 12.4% and probably is due to lack of sufficient numbers of polling stations in large precincts. In majority-Bush precincts, the voter turnout did not drop off. It was at 66.2% in the smallest precincts and 67.6% in the largest precincts. So these large (>1000) proBush precincts either had a larger number of voting stations and therefore no long waits or the economic and social conditions of the Republican voters allowed them to endure the long lines more than the Democratic voters. I hope to write up this report tonight.

[idiosyncratic]

26. Recounts are essential to prove the FRAUD so this won't

happen again. Otherwise we do not have a Democracy and never will again.

[Riceman1974]

31. No Recount in Warren

They are not recounting in Warren. They are merely counting the provisional and absentee ballots before the public. They are not recounting the Nov. 2 tally.

And don't give me crap about not being a Democrat. I'm not as liberal as some, but if you want to keep driving people like me to the Republicans, go ahead, and enjoy your life in the political wilderness.

[idiosyncratic]

36. With a comment like that, you sure aren't a committed Democrat

NOTHING could make me join the Repubs.




Oh . . . and the word is spelled "stealing!" Ha Ha. Gave yourself away there.

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[newyawker99]

47. Hi Riceman1974!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mdb]

30. Great article!

And if the turnout was greater this would increase the 93,000. We all know the turnout was greater. What depends on this tally is how many were disenfranchised. But I would think there would be more than what has been traditional.

[Riceman1974]

33. People C'mon!!

Count the votes. I'm not saying don't count the prov. ballots. But stop this crap about steeling elections and thinking this election isn't over. Please have some faith in the system, even when our guy loses. Sometimes a loss is a loss.

Besides, if there was a chance this could be changed, why would Kerry concede? Why would Terry state that this election is over and they will not challenge it?

IT'S OVER!!!!!!!

Can we please concentrate on what we can do to stop, or at least amend Bush's agenda to make it more progressive?

[Mandate My Ass]

34. By all means, do whatever pleases you

and leave others to do the same.

[Shalom]

38. Ha, ha....Try to make Bushitler's Agenda "More Progressive"

If you lived in Nazi Germany, you'd try to make Hitler more humane.

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[Mandate My Ass]

35. Woo Hooooooo!! This just in...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
NOVEMBER 15, 2004
12:46 PM
CONTACT: Green Party of the United States
Blair Bobier, Media Director, 541-929-5755


Recount in Ohio A Sure Thing; Green Party Campaign Raises $150,000 in 4 Days, Shifts Gears to Phase II

WASHINGTON -- November 15 -- There will be a recount of the presidential vote in Ohio.


On Thursday, David Cobb, the Green Party’s 2004 presidential candidate, announced his intention to seek a recount of the vote in Ohio. Since the required fee for a statewide recount is $113,600, the only question was whether that money could be raised in time to meet the filing deadline. That question has been answered.


“Thanks to the thousands of people who have contributed to this effort, we can say with certainty that there will be a recount in Ohio,” said Blair Bobier, Media Director for the Cobb-LaMarche campaign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x992059

It's a good thing some people weren't listening to all the naysayers around here, they were doing whatever it takes to protect democracy!

[shib]

37. Man

I hope that Jeff Fisher is not insane :)

[oscar111]

39. recounts ought to be state-funded, only thing needed to spark one,

shd be a petition.

anyway, good to see a recount.

PS i dislike freepers