THIS IS BIG: House members ready to contest election if 1 Sen will join in

[genius]

This is from an email sent out by Congressional Candidate Mike Byron. Apparently, the House Dems are ready to contest the election if one Senator will join in. SO PLEASE CONTACT YOUR SENATOR AND ASK THEM TO CONTEST THE ELECTION. Also, please keep this kicked.

FYI,



Last week I requested that Cong. Bob Filner join in with other members of Congress in requesting an investigation by the General Accounting Office of apparent voting irregularities and discrepancies arising from the Nov. 2nd election. In agreeing to take this action, I received the below reply from his Campaign Manager Frank Salazar on the Congressman’s behalf. Note this excerpt (quoting Cong. Barbara Lee) from that reply:



“One senator and one House Representative are required to contest an election result prior to inauguration.

But, certainly, the more Congresspeople the merrier. The questions remains, however, which, if any, Senator will stand up for democracy? Will it be Barbara Boxer, the so-called 3rd-most vote getter in the 2004 election? Or will we have another terrible scene like the one from Fahrenheit 911 where not one Senator will contest?”

Perhaps WE should be asking Sen Boxer to be that Senator. Particularly if clear evidence of voting misconduct in Ohio, Florida, or any other states arises. There is already, sufficient evidence of massive interference with the Ohio election http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/899 to meet this standard. Also Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org has uncovered significant physical evidence of vote stealing in Florida (see http://www.blackboxvoting.org for details).



In conjunction with the several statistical studies showing massive and astronomically improbable irregularities in reported vote totals and their divergences from scientifically valid exit polls (see http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/112004Waldman/112004waldman.html for a concise summary) it is clear that something is very seriously amiss with respect to the reported results of (s)election 2004…



I thank Cong. Filner for standing up bravely for our democracy, and think that as soon as we can see the totality of credible, specific evidence that is uncovered, that we should unleash a letter, e-mail, phone and fax, campaign to request Sen. Boxer to join with members of the House (see Cong. Barbara Lee’s letter just below Cong. Filner’s below appended reply to my query) in contesting the suspect election results on Jan 6th. As this investigation may take some time Bush’s inauguration as “President” will have to be canceled pending the outcome of the investigation…as is appropriate in a lawful, Constitution abiding society.



Please forward.



Mike Byron




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bob Filner for Congress
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:31 AM
To: Mike Byron
Subject: 14 House Dems Demand GAO Election Probe (FILNER)



Please circulate Mike, thanks!

November 23, 2004

14 House Dems Demand GAO Election Probe

A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
by Matthew Cardinale

Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) has asked to become the 14th signatory
of the GAO letter demanding an investigation in electronic voting. This information was confirmed by a staffer, Theresa, in the U.S. House Judiciary Office, on November 22, 2004.

As of this writing, Schakowsky's signature has not been submitted to the GAO.

However, the GAO has received letters of concern with 13 signatories thus far:

John Conyers (D-MI)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Robert Wexler (D-FL)
Robert Scott (D-GA)
Melvin Watt (D-NC)
Rush Holt (D-NJ)
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Louise Slaughter (D-NY)
George Miller (D-CA)
John Olver (D-MA)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Gregory Meeks (D-NY)
Barbara Lee (D-CA)
Plus
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)

Also, Congressman Barbara Lee of California issued the following statement on November 15th:

“The right to vote and the right to have our votes counted are both fundamental to our democratic system of government,” said Lee.

“As elected representatives of the people, we hold a sacred responsibility to every voter across this nation to ensure that their vote is counted and recorded properly. We cannot, and we should not accept any flaws in our election process.”

Julie Nickson, press secretary for Barbara Lee, added, "She signed it because she was aware of the situation. We got some phone calls from constituents."

The letter, or set of letters, is addressed to The Honorable David M. Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, General Accountability Office.

The first letter begins, "We write with an urgent request that the GAO immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to the difficulties they encountered, and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration."

Particular concerns brought up are:

-The almost 4,000 votes awarded to Bush in Columbus, Ohio, reported by the AP, which was only noticeable because more votes were recorded in the precinct than there were registered voters.

-Votes lost on a local initiative in Florida because the computer could only store so many votes.

-Apx. 4,500 votes lost in one North Carolina county.

-A glitch in San Francisco computers which caused many votes to be uncounted.

-Florida's anomalous results where only districts with touch screen voting had disproportionate votes for Bush than expected. This analysis has since
been duplicated by a UC Berkeley professor and others.

-AP reports in Florida and Ohio of voters who stated when using touchscreens, when they selected "John Kerry," that instead "George Bush" would appear on the screen.

-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all. The second letter, dated, November 8th, reported additional incidents.

-3,000 phantom votes were added by a Nebraska "vote tabulator" which doubled the votes.

-22,000 North Carolina votes which later had to be added because the computer initially discarded them due to system overload.

-21 voting machines in Broward County, Florida, malfunctioned, eliminating prior votes that had been cast on them in this most-Democratic county in the state.

-Warren County, Ohio's, bogus refusal allow independent monitoring of vote counting based on a terrorist incident which turned out later to not exist.

-Malfunctioning vote cassettes in Palm Beach, FL.

-Boxes of absentee votes discovered after the election in a Broward County election office.

Notably, nine (9) out of the current 14 supporters are members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC). They are Barbara Lee (who is a leader of the Caucus), along with John Conyers, Jerold Nadler, Melvin Watt, Tammy Baldin, George Miller, John Olver, Bob Filner, and Jan Schakowsky. According to the CPC website, there are currently 55
congressional members on the Progressive Caucus. For a list of members, see: http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp

One notable Progressive Caucus member who has not signed on is House Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who is also the current House Minority Leader.

Another curious absence is Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), former presidential candidate, who otherwise is taking a prominent role in the Ohio voter testimony hearings currently taking place.

Most mainstream media accounts actually still list there being 3 signatories, but that was only the first, original letter. CBS and others have been reporting 6 signatories.

But, don't be sad. America isn't so far into hell in a handbasket that we couldn't come up with more than 6 Representatives. We now have 14.

The chronology has been as follows. First, Congressman Conyers, Wexler, and Nadler wrote a letter to the GAO on November 5. This letter is available at: http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf

The names of Scott, Watt, and Holt, were added in a second letter sent November 8, which outlined additional voting problems as well as increased the number of congressional signatures to six (6). This letter is available at:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11804.pdf

On November 17, two additional letters were sent. First, a letter adding the signatures of Tammy Baldwin, Louise Slaughter, and George Miller, was sent, increasing the number of signatures to nine (9). A copy of this letter is available at:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr111704.pdf

A second letter dated November 17--fourth letter overall--was sent to the GAO which added John Olner, Bob Filner, Gregory Meeks, and Barbara Lee.

This brought the number of signatures to thirteen (13). Which, adding today's announcement by Schakowsky, brings the total to fourteen (14) signatures. A scanned copy of the second letter from November 17th is available at: http://www.house.gov/lee/releases/04nov15.htm

One senator and one House Representative are required to contest an election result prior to inauguration.

But, certainly, the more Congresspeople the merrier. The questions remains, however, which, if any, Senator will stand up for democracy? Will it be Barbara Boxer, the so-called 3rd-most vote getter in the 2004 election? Or will we have another terrible scene like the one from Fahrenheit 911 where not one Senator will contest?

Only time will tell, but my guess is that the progressive community has done so much organizing in the past four years that, even if there isn't a change in the election outcome, there will at least be some serious hearings and reform legislation to mend and improve our flawed, flawed process.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/11/con04514.html

-----------------------------------------

Frank G. Salazar

Campaign Manager

Bob Filner for Congress-Fighting for Us!

619-425-1998 office

619-425-1986 fax

[Zensea]

1. hmm, deja vu anyone?

:)

[mdb]

37. Al Gore and the 2000 elections.

One Senator and one Representative on the legitimacy of any State's slate of Electors - no Senator supported them. Not one.

[skids]

202. Clear me up on this

I was under the impression that it had to be a senator and representative from the same state, that is, the state contesting?

If not

(humor)Well, I know ONE way Kerry could save face with the votergate crowd(/humor)

[Hobbes199]

203. Thanks for your link to the info.

That was a great piece, summed up a lot and pointed at some great areas of focus.

It looks like the one each Senator and Representative need not be from the same state, and that they are both needed to introduce in writing the objection to the respective houses.

http://www.house.gov/cha/electoralcollege/electoralcollege.html

Let's keep this thread kicked.

[knowbody0]

2. kick

[PeterPan]

7. do you have a link to any official; press release or message?

[JaneDoughnut]

3. No luck

I wrote both my senators and got no response.

I feel like I'm watching a scene from F9/11.

[pauldp]

4. Patriot or Criminal?

Ask Barbara which she wants to be remembered as.

[NV Whino]

9. Pardon me...

would you care to explain your comment?

[pauldp]

Just like the media...

Those who are aware of the serious of this situation and do nothing to thwart it are IMHO
complicit in the greatest crime against our democracy.

[Hobbes199]

172. Isn't John Kerry a Senator?

Maybe he would be a good one to ask. Or John Edwards, I think he's a Senator still.

I'll email Patty Murray from WA.

[GodlessBiker]

5. One of the most shocking things in Fahrenheit 911 was when

not one senator joined in the complaints of many house members regarding the 2000 election. I don't anticipate that any senator will have this guts this time around either.

[Broken Acorn]

16. Boxer better

I live in the SF Bay Area and know of about 20 friends/family just off the top of my head who would join me in organizing a campaign to get her to commit to contesting this election in Congress.

The Bay Area is still a liberal stronghold with lots of activists ready for action. There still may be hope.

[LSparkle]

24. I was just thinking Boxer would be good

She just won re-election for 6 more years so she's not worrying about the next election. Will contact her ASAP.

[proud2BlibKansan]

206. So why didn't she do this in 2000?

[Solitaire]

75. I really like Boxer, she has guts :)

[ailsagirl]

198. Here is Boxer's email page

http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm

[Straight Shooter]

25. It's my understanding Gore asked them not to contest

Someone posted that on DU, in defense of those Senators.

It was still horrendous to watch that scene.

[Ignoramus]

60. and they said, yes sir mister Gore, fuck the little people

Gore and the Senators cared more about politics than the people they represent. Deja vu.

[Hippo_Tron]

62. Gore asked them not to...

Depending on the circumstances one might do so this time.

[KatieB]

117. And with Al Gore standing there having to watch the spineless whole thing

Just gave me goosebumps. Actually I think I started to cry at that point. And I noticed the audience just went dead silent. I just could not believe that not one frigging senator would stand up! We simply can't stand by and let this happen again.

[renate]

149. that was the part when I started to think

that I wouldn't be able to handle that movie. There were parts of Fahrenheit 9/11 that made me cry and cry and cry, but for some reason (I guess, knowing now what I didn't know at the time of the 2000 election) the recap of that see-saw night, when we saw victory/Florida snatched away, oh, I just can't begin to describe the despair, the utter long dark midnight of the soul despair, that I felt at having to relive that 2000 election night during the movie.

[SharonRB]

230. I felt exactly the same way

When the movie opened with that reliving of 2000, my stomach was in knots all over again. It was such a sinking feeling.

[pbartch]

144. why not SENATOR EDWARD????

HE IS STILL A SENATOR!!!

HIS INTRODUCTION SPEECH PRIOR TO KERRY CONCEDING WAS WONDERFUL. He is a STRONG and honorable man! Does anyone know him??

[Gore1FL]

152. He won't be then

The vote takes place after the new Seantors are sworn in.

[proud2BlibKansan]

208. Than how about Obama?

[propagandafreegal]

236. He is too new to the party....

literally..

[LSparkle]

6. I heard that Sen. Bill Nelson of FLA

was ready to join the Congressional Black Caucus to protest the election -- maybe he'll sign off on this too!

[mirandapriestly]

11. I will contact patty murray

Will someone give me an idea of what to say? How to word it? Please?

[Sanity Claws]

42. Patty is a good choice

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. Here's Nelson's contact info.

http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm#email

202-224-5274.

[noclonyofthechimp]

46. we should be writing Nelso and all Fl Senators I am getting people

together

[consciousobjector]

78. I just sent Senator Nelson this email:

Dear Senator Nelson,

Apparently, the House Dems are ready to contest the 2004 presidential election if one Senator will join in. I implore you to join the House Democrats in demanding a probe into the election problems that are evident in the 2004 election.

Please help us. The Republicans in Ohio are already threatening to block the recount efforts spearheaded by the Green and Libertarian Parties, even though they have raised the money required by law. The Republicans are calling the effort frivolous! I believe that there is nothing frivolous in assuring the electorate's confidence in the validity of our elections...there is a grave threat to democracy which will intensify if the people cannot have confidence in the electoral system.

We need the Senate to join the effort on a nationwide basis. Please help us!

[tommcintyre]

223. Adding it to the Senate blaster... Thanks

number 5

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote2_01.htm

[BattyDem]

8. Lautenberg seems to have some balls ...

maybe he'll sign on!

[pk_du]

10. Maybe Lieberman

would rather join the Republican party rather than join in this effort.

/sarc off

[geo]

12. not a bad find.... some ideas on the how to....

Hi all,

You know what this means? We need to make case arguments when we write these people. Be clear, concise, and gracious (and thank them for at least one thing you like that they did positive). Also, we need to write across the aisle... to Republicans. Give them a heartfelt, fact filled case that stresses the importance of a fair, accurate and tranperent election and that all indicators point to the derailment of such values in the Nov. 2nd election.

We should also keep in mind in our writing that recounts and invetigations have been called on by BOTH parties, and in a NYT article today, Richard G. Lugar of Indiana, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, challenged the integrity of Ukriance's Presidential Election based on exit poll findings. In the case of the U.S. Presidential election, academia across the board has found statistical evidence of an election gone awry. Even the original MIT/CalTech report was shown to have used "weighted" data (the only study that tried to say no problems were found), and just this last week one MIT guy recreated the Berkely study successfully and attested to its academic quality (see Olberman's blog where it mentions an Oakland paper that advanced the story).

We have a strong, non-partisan case. Let's make count!

Warmly,

George
p.s. Link to thread on NYT article: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x73481

[heyokabear]

76. Just a thought

There are other threads of taking out full page ads in newspapers across the country, to bring this issue "out" -

Why not a well written plea, published as full page ads, for ONE Senator to stand up and join this effort.

This is what we really need, and in the process it would accomplish the other goal.

bear

[Cocoa]

13. did you hear?

the GAO agreed to investigate as requested by those dems. :toast:

[KatieB]

118. GAO not as non-partisan as you think but better than nothing

We dealt with them on telecom matters and they white washed alot of what was written. But we did notice that once the GAO got involved, alot of good happened behind the scenes. Just having the GAO call and ask questions gets people nervous.

[Mike Nelson]

14. Boxer's my Sen...

... I'll add mine to the voices. Thank you.

[ElementaryPenguin]

15. She's mine, too. I think Boxer could be persuaded!

:dem:

[geo]

41. Boxer and Fienstein together

Hi ElementaryPenguin,

I am in CA as well. It would be safer to lobby both Senators at the same time. We don't want to leave one isolated and therefore a target. Just a thought... I will be writing both myself.

And remember to thank them for positive things they have done recently that have impacted you directly. This means a lot to these folks to know that you follow their efforts and that you are generally supportive. It goes miles, let me tell ya.

Warmly,

George

[Ignoramus]

63. worth a shot, but I doubt it

These are child slaughtering ghouls we are talking about here.

[Verve]

112. Feingold is my senator.

I'll write him!

[Niche]

227. Boxer Feinstein play good cop bad cop/F. always goes right.

[troubleinwinter]

49. I'm in, too...

[mak3cats]

17. Maybe Republican Richard Lugar?

He has a problem with the Ukrainian election results...

"The observers' findings were seconded by Republican Senator Richard G. Lugar of Indiana, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Citing the disturbing fact that official results diverged sharply from a range of surveys of voters at polling places, Lugar said, "A concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse was enacted with either the leadership or cooperation of governmental authorities."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x73481

[paz]

30. Maybe Robert Bryd of West Virginia.n/t

[spotbird]

56. He'd be my best bet as

the last member of the senate with political courage.

[Dancing_Dave]

121. That would give it some credibility!

You can't beat Robert Byrd for credibility! He's the most insightful straight-talking Senator around these days!

[Chimpanzee]

207. Yes! That's the ticket! He has nothing to lose!

[SharonRB]

231. As the conscience of the Senate

and the greatest expert on the Constitution, it would be great if we could get him to support this.

[geo]

51. Lugar would kick things up a notch....

Hi all,

When we write Lugar, or rally his Indiana consituency, we need to be very respectful and non-partisan in our approach. TP should be focused on a fair, accurate and transperent election and be well supported with a clear, concise base argument strong with data. And don't forget to mention the Berkely report, and its academic review by MIT; it's kosher and academia knows it. Furthermore, this Senator is largely aware that odds of the exit polls being this far skewed in favor of Mr. Bush is reletively non-existant.

Also, like I keep saying when I post about writing government officials, look up what they have done lately, find something you like in their recent track record, and PRAISE THEM FOR IT, even if they are across the aisle, so to speak. This goes a long way in having them take you seriously, because this shows them that you watch what they do and are willing to give credit where it is due (which strongly implies you are also watching when they cross you and are willing to speak on that too). It is the basics in lobbying 101.

Also, none of us should be writing letters all day. If each of us dedicates about an hour or two or three to writing where it is needed, not only do we not burn out our most dedicated, but we get a broader and stronger felt response aimed at the person we are writing to. I would encourage everyone to spend some time writing tonight/today, even if it is just for a limited amount of time.

I think in other fields they call this "crunch time."

Have fun writing! :)

Warmly,

George

[darthdemocrat]

98. Lugar would be great - he's an effective framer in a debate

plus he can bring the Indiana Pacers along in case Cheney decides it's time to stop being civil again.

[KatieB]

119. Folks, no republican is going to bring down his own party's president

[Sparkle]

18. Neither one of them did it for Gore (including Kerry),

which makes me believe they won't do it for Kerry. Their jobs are more important.

[BattyDem]

22. From what I understand...

Gore didn't want any Dem Senators to back the challenge in the House because the Senate was split 50-50 ... so Gore would have been the deciding vote. He didn't want to be "elected" that way. He felt he would never have legitimacy as a leader.

If he knew then what he knows now, I bet things would have turned out very differently.

[anamandujano]

110. Oh please let that not be true (re Gore).

I'm getting ill.

If they can't find anyone this time around, Kerry should do it. He owes it to America and the world.

Who cares what the repukes say. They always say bad things no matter how civil or fair people are being.

[ElementaryPenguin]

19. Robert Byrd? Kennedy? Bob Graham? Schumer?

Surely we can get one!

[peekaloo]

21. I was thinking Graham.

He's retiring and his book was a condemnation of all things Boo$h.

[212demop]

86. Randi's tight with him- has she reacted to this?

I missed most of her show today. Also, she's close to the ladies on the Black Congressional Congress. Maybe she can appeal to someone on it. In fact, isn't she an honorary member?

[scurvy_n_disastrous]

28. Why not Kerry?!!!... byrd, kennedy, graham, conrad: a brief assesment

byrd: constitutionalist.
kennedy: legacy.
graham: lame-duck senator who loves his state.
conrad:ex-tax administrator--straight as an arrow. his staff uncovered the irs provision in the omnibus bill.

thoughts?

[Hippo_Tron]

64. Graham won't be around in January, the new congress counts the votes

At least I'm pretty sure of this because in F/911, Jon Corzine was one of the people pictured in the audience and he was elected in 2000.

[BamaBecky]

72. I think Sen. Robert Byrd will do it n/t

[KatieB]

120. YOu need a senator who is going to retire very shortly

Because the Republicans will kill any political future he has. (Look at what they did to Daschle).

[g9udit]

204. SENATOR BYRD IS BEST HOPE HERE IS BYRD'S EMAIL ADDRESS

I strongly agree with both of the prior posts.

We need someone who will retire soon from the Senate,
and who is too old to fear retribution or career damage.

Senator Byrd is FAR and away the best candidate as he meets
both of the above criteria and he was the MOST outspoken
opponent of Bush's rush to war in Iraq.

Senator Byrd's email address is

[e-mail]

I strongly urge everyone to email Sen. Byrd to join this effort

just an fyi.. Below is a letter I recently sent to the
Democratic Progressive Caucus on Dr. Freeman's recent research
study on the Unexplained Exit poll discrepancy.

If DU'ers write to Sen. Byrd, we should of course include info
on some of the research studies like Dr. Freeman's study, or the
UC Berkeley Research Teams recent discrepancy study.

KEEP ON FIGHTING PEOPLE !

P.S Below is the letter I sent to the Dem. Progressive Caucus last
week :

BTW, Dr. Freeman has updated his study, and he now puts the odds
that the exit polls were wrong as 'only' 1 in 662,000 .



Dear Democratic Progressive Caucus members,

Below is a link to a Research Paper, conducted by an expert Researcher, on the extremely low possibility of the inaccuracy of the Exit polls that indicated John Kerry would win the recent Presidential Election.

Dr. Steven Freeman of the Univ. of Pennsylvania has recently released a research paper that puts the chance of exit poll statistical anomalies being off, to the degree that reported Computer voting totals suggest, at a mere 1 in 250 Million.

In "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," Dr. Steven F. Freeman, who has a PH. D from MIT and whose expertise lies in Research Methods, states :

"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts
in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

The odds of those exit poll statistical anomalies occurring by chance are 250,000,000 to one.

The 12 page Research paper can be read in it's entirety at : http://www.ilcaonline.org/freeman.pdf

A brief article on this research paper can be found on The Washington Monthly magazine at :

<http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_11/005147.php>

Dr. Freeman can be contacted via his email address that appears at the above PDF file, or via the email address of [e-mail]

I must state that I do not personally know Dr. Freeman, but his credentials and research paper appear to have data integrity.

Professor Freeman concludes the research paper with this:

"Systematic fraud or mistabulation is a premature conclusion, but the election's unexplained exit poll discrepancies make it an unavoidable hypothesis,
one that is the responsibility of the media, academia, polling agencies, and the public to investigate."

Just an fyi. I"m a Database Administrator, and I was a member of my College Debate team.

If the media wishes to rebuttal these numbers, please do so with facts, and not with 'persuasion by ridicule' tactics, by using emotional labels such as 'conspiracy theory',
'kooks', 'sore losers', and other attempts to discredit an individual, because you cannot discredit their facts or position via a logical and reasonable rebuttal.

The Collegiate Rules of Debate, not only disallow any and all attempts of 'persuasion by ridicule', but actually deduct one point for every attempt that a Debater made to win the debate by personal attack, instead of via facts and logic.

The originators of The Collegiate Rules of Debate were wise enough to know that if you make a factual assertion, and I respond with a personal attack, then by my lack of addressing your facts, I am actually admitting that your facts are correct.

So the standard that we need to hold the media to, is the same that we hold Collegiate Debaters to, meaning any attacks on Dr. Freeman as an individual, as opposed to checking the validity
of his research, is an indirect admission that his research and his hypothesis are correct.

It would reaffirm my faith in the media, if someone would print an objective story on his study.

[Baja Margie]

20. Done & KICK

Let me tell you guys, Bob Filner is such a great guy. We have always supported him in San Diego, and believe me, he is outnumbered by the good old boy network, he is one hell of a fighter. Thanks for the post, thanks for the link.

[noclonyofthechimp]

26. JUST POSTED THE GAO IS GOING TO CONDUCT THE INVESTIGATION

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoelectionjtpr112304.pdf
:bounce:

[ElementaryPenguin]

43. HUGE!

thanks for posting this!

:bounce:

[noclonyofthechimp]

50. welcome! i just sent it to keith oberman

[TennisGuy2004]

105. That's really great, but...

the language in it is kind of weak. It doesn't sound like they're interested in really overturning anything - just fixing the system for the next time.

[gizmo1979]

27. I contacted

both Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl.I'am not sure how much Kohl will help but Feingold is a good guy,and i think he'll help.

[vireo]

176. Also contact Tammy Baldwin

and thank her for signing on. Perhaps she could help sway Feingold. She is his Representative, after all. :-)

[Straight Shooter]

29. I want ALL the Dem Senators to sign it. Strength in numbers and all that.

If they would for once just all go out on a limb for democracy, it would send a message to the world and it would certainly improve the morale of Democrats across the United States.

And it would also clearly, without question, underscore how seriously we take this issue.

[scurvy_n_disastrous]

32. could not agree more! n/t

[Old and In the Way]

31. EVERY Democrat, in the House and the Senate, ought to be

getting on board this. In fact, it should be made demanded by the leadership in both House. Those that refuse to sign on ought to be stripped of their party creds and we should work towards their defeat in their next election. We have strength in numbers and it's their time to stand up and be counted. There is no more important work in COngress than signing on and defending our vote.

[mak3cats]

33. Wait a minute...

Where does it say that they're ready to contest? I only see that they're requesting an investigation, which they have obviously been granted.

[pipes]

34. It only takes one senator?

Paging Mr Kerry, um Senator Kerry could you please stand up and fight for the future of America as you vowed to do!

Does it matter if he steps in or would that be a conflict of interest?

[212demop]

88. Remember when Gore couldn't do it for himself?

I think it needs to be a different member than the one in question.

[Tuddie]

35. Nov 23, Aftn: GAO Office to Conduct Investigation of 2004 Irregularities

I received an email Press Release from Rep. Jerrold Nadler this afternoon - it is copied and pasted below. Perhaps other received it as well.

Subject: E-News from Congressman Nadler
From: "Congressman Jerrold Nadler" <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:21:27 -0800

November 23, 2004 - Update Your Profile Unsubscribe
Representative Jerrold Nadler - New York's Eighth Congressional District
PRESS RELEASE

House Committee on the Judiciary

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
November 23, 2004

Government Accountability Office to Conduct Investigation of 2004 Election Irregularities

(Washington, DC) -- Reps. John Conyers, Jr., Jerrold Nadler, Robert Wexler, Robert Scott, and Rush Holt announced today that, in response to their November 5 and 8 letters to the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the GAO has decided to move forward with an investigation of election irregularities in the 2004 election. The five Members issued the following statement:

"We are pleased that the GAO has reviewed the concerns expressed in our letters and has found them of sufficient merit to warrant further investigation. On its own authority, the GAO will examine the security and accuracy of voting technologies, distribution and allocation of voting machines, and counting of provisional ballots. We are hopeful that GAO's non-partisan and expert analysis will get to the bottom of the flaws uncovered in the 2004 election. As part of this inquiry, we will provide copies of specific incident reports received in our offices, including more than 57,000 such complaints provided to the House Judiciary Committee.

"The core principle of any democracy is the consent of the governed. All Americans, no matter how they voted, need to have confidence that when they cast their ballot, their voice is heard."

The Members listed above were joined in requesting the non-partisan GAO investigation by Reps. Melvin Watt, John Olver, Bob Filner, Gregory Meeks, Barbara Lee, Tammy Baldwin, Louise Slaughter and George Miller.

#108-11/23/04#

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Washington D.C.:
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Brooklyn, NY 11224
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[KaryninMiami]

36. Need a legal opinion regarding this post please!

I just called Senator Bill Nelson's office regarding this post and spoke with someone who said they would relay the message to the Senator. He then cautioned me that as far as he knew, there is no way to overturn this election at this point. Period.

Needless to say, I was horrified. I asked him if that means that in spite of 57,000 reports of electronic irregularities, a GAO Investigation, thousands of reports in Ohio demonstrating enough evidence to demand a recount and evidence from Black Box Voting there is nothing we will be able to do to overturn this? He said that based on the information he has been given, that is his understanding.

Can someone please clarify this from a legal perspective? I tried to reach the ACLU here in Florida but they are all gone for the day.
Does anyone know of a constitutional attorney who can clarify what the story is here? CAN WE GET THIS OVERTURNED FOR SURE WITH ENOUGH EVIDENCE and as explained in this email? Are we all spinning our wheels for nothing?

[villagechild]

48. search thomas.gov

http://thomas.loc.gov/

entered search terms, "election": produced significant legislation introduced and co-sponsored . . .

Example

Bill Summary & Status for the 108th Congress

H.RES.797

Title: Recognizing the importance of implementing any and all measures necessary to ensure a democratic, transparent, and fair election process for the 2004 Presidential election.
Sponsor: Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice (introduced 9/23/2004) Cosponsors (8)
Latest Major Action: 9/23/2004 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on House Administration.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
COSPONSORS(8), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)
Rep Brown, Corrine - 9/23/2004 Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 9/23/2004
Rep Fattah, Chaka - 10/4/2004 Rep Lantos, Tom - 9/23/2004
Rep Lee, Barbara - 9/23/2004 Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. - 10/4/2004
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. - 10/4/2004 Rep Owens, Major R. - 9/23/2004

[mopinko]

134. totally wrong

legally, there are many mechansisms and opportunities. the challenges are just beginning. relax.

[Samantha]

136. Jonathan Turley already gave us a legal opinion on this

He was interviewed by Olberman. He said the very last deadline for stopping Bush* from assuming a second term is Inauguration Day. Once Bush* takes the oath, should fraud be proven after that, he can only be removed if it is proven he had direct knowledge of the fraud (good luck with that one). After he takes the oath, he can only be removed through the specifics defined in the Constitution (high crimes and misdemeanors).

[scurvy_n_disastrous]

38. Why Not KERRY?!!!... Constitutional? tell me why not? n/t

[New Earth]

39. i think Kerry should stay out of it

and i know i will get flamed for thinking that

[eowyn_of_rohan]

45. No flames here

I agree with you. It would be much better if other senators stepped up for this one.

[scurvy_n_disastrous]

47. because he can

no flame here, faye. but the point is that it's a constitutional provision, not an adversarial lawsuit. My preference, however, would be that the entire senate, or all democrats plus republicans such as lugar (see his ukraine commentary), chafee, hagel ... or just 1 senator, so....

Utimately, because he can.

[New Earth]

55. yes he can of course

but i think it would 'appear' more credible if it was a senator other than Kerry. i'm sure you know what i mean...i think we all know what eachother means with that

whatever that means

[SharonRB]

232. I think you're absolutely right

I think it needs to come from someone else. For Kerry to do it, it will look too self-serving. There's got to be at least one senator who will come forward.

[tinfoil_beret]

57. Does Kerry have any buddies in the [Senate] house?

I would suggest that Kerry might have some friends in the Senate that he could rally to back him up.

In fact, during his post-election silence might he have lobbied other senators for support, to line up his ducks before starting the fight? That seems like a sound, intelligent strategy.

[Glenda]

71. What about Ted Kennedy?

Or would it have to be from another state?

I wrote to Ted 2 weeks ago when Rep Conyers was on Olberman, and asked Ted to do whatever he could to contest vote fraud.

Glenda

[BamaBecky]

73. Sen. Ted Kennedy would be another good one to contact n/t

[Glenda]

74. Actually, here's the email I wrote to Ted Kennedy

Dear Senator Kennedy: (11/10/04)

I think you're a wonderful person and terrific legislator! Some of the legislation you have sponsored has helped me personally, and I thank you for that!

I'm writing due to concern about the most recent presidential election. Every day I see information about voting machine errors and other voting discrepancies. I see that several Representatives have stepped forward, led by John Conyers, to challenge voting results. It's sad that in this day and age we can't get voting right - many machines with no paper trail or where the votes were just lost. Are we a 3rd world country? How can we ship Democracy overseas when we can't even get it remotely right ourselves?

I hope that you will challenge the "voter fraud" issue in any way you can, and any time it comes up in the Senate.

Thanks so much,

[Pooka Fey]

188. Kick.

[intelle]

102. Kerry surely does have a buddy in the Senate

John Edwards

[tinfoil_beret]

109. Aha!

It was a rhetorical question, of course.

Thus, he has at least two possible objections in the Senate. Of course, the process requires only one senator's signature and one House representative to force a debate and a vote, but a majority would need to oppose the election. He would probably want to determine how much support he had before taking other measures. Has he met with other senators to rally a consensus?

He might even have some support on the other side of the aisle. Quite a few stories of Republican disdain for the current administration have circulated. He could have a chance. But does he have a plan?

[bunny planet]

111. Senator Joe Biden is his closest friend in the Senate from what I

understand

[tinfoil_beret]

126. That gives us one more candidate on the path to a majority.

Would his politics allow him to raise his hand, stand up and be a man?

[scarlett1]

40. I'm a Kansan

Hmmm Do I contact Pat Roberts or Sam Brownback?
I'm Sorry
I'm just being "funny":+

[Hippo_Tron]

67. LMAO that's pretty good...

I'm from Louisiana, but I might give Mary Landrieu a shot.

[Der Blaue Engel]

44. Senators...Senators...wracking brain...

...where is there a senator who would be concerned about this? God, it's right on the tip of my tongue...something with a "K"...I've got to *think*. ;)

[Her Blondness]

54. D'oh......!

Sen. John F. Kerry, COME ON DOWN!!!!!!

[Woo]

52. HOLD IT!!!... just wait a darn minute...

Mike Byron isn't a congressman is he?

The email from Filner doesn't say anything about contesting the election... does it, maybe I missed it...

The email from Byron... the thing about contesting is in 'quote's -- what does that mean?

Can someone clarify this before I go getting all giddy please.

[mak3cats]

53. I just asked the same thing in post #33.... (eom)

[Woo]

58. Well...

Once everyone calms down I guess they'll answer our question...

[mak3cats]

65. MAYBE WE SHOULD SHOUT!!! PLEASE READ POST #52!!!

You worded it better than I...

[bufftiger]

179. Yah - A GAO investigation is NOT contesting the election results

Wow lot's of typing and giddiness over nothing. It looks like unless there is a last-minute rash of "smoking guns," no public official is going to contest the election a'la Ukraine.
By the way, the GAO did a study after the 2000 debacle, the findings of which were predominantly ignored.
So what is the best way to get electoral reform front and center?

[YellowDoginthehouse]

213. I think you guys missed the point.

Byron is the poster, or a friend of the poster.

Filner has joined the list of congressmen asking the GAO to investigate.

[SaveAmerica]

59. Boxer's e-mail address?

Do we have to be from SF to e-mail her to ask her to help?



I am just a poor boy and my story’s seldom told
I’ve squandered my resistance for a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises
All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest, hmmmm


In the clearing stands a boxer, and a fighter by his trade
And he carries the reminders of every glove that laid him down or cut him
’til he cried out in his anger and his shame
I am leaving, I am leaving, but the fighter still remains
Yes he still remains

[Dolphyn]

148. http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm

Contact Barbara Boxer:
http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm

You can be from any state, but she says she'll only respond to California residents.

[Bozos for Bush]

201. Emailed Boxer earlier today

She's about as Democratic as a Democrat comes, and alwats speaks her mind - plus she's got 6 fresh years, so she won't be a target in 2006.

John

[YellowDoginthehouse]

61. We are discussing the most likely candidate over on this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=73649&mesg_id=73649

And trying to decide whose senate office to hammer with email begging.

[gorbal]

66. Send your love to Kennedy-

Send him some of the information in this thread as well.

You can contact him here-

http://kennedy.senate.gov/index_low.html

if anyone knows a better way please do tell.

[RagingInMiami]

68. I've been e-mailing Bob Graham

because I think he's the best choice right now.

http://www.senate.gov/~graham/email.html

[GetTheRightVote]

96. I too have emailed Senator Graham of Florida

[Stand and Fight]

115. Bob Graham...

Bob Graham will be leaving the Senate. If it happens soon, we've got a chance. However, if it happens in January he will have retired already.

[floridadem30]

129. I have emailed Graham, Nelson, Putnam, and Foley in FL

[Imagevision]

226. Really do have to get out the letters to Senators {important}

If we don't want what happened in F9-11 to occur again...we really have to find out the adresses of the senators and get as many emails off to them.

I just sent an email using that template email posted here to Senator Bill Graham in Florida.

This is important people...just think of 4 more years of Bush and worse yet...allowing him and his cronies to get away with this!

[PuraVidaDreamin]

190. sent in my request to the honorable Mr. Kennedy

[newyawker99]

192. Hi PuraVidaDreamin!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[IAMREALITY]

69. Question

Who contests, the new Senators or the old? I would think the old, and if that is the case why the fuck not Daschle? Hell, what does he have to lose.

[NY lib NY]

70. I thynk the....

new confirms the electoral votes

What happens if the election is contested?

[Solitaire]

82. the question is..

can it be contested?

Someone said above that a Senator said there is nothing we can do.

I'm so confused ;(

I wish we had some lawyers on here and they would tell us.

[NY lib NY]

91. What happens if an election is contested?

[Gore1FL]

155. It goes to the House and Senate

Each state delegation gets a single vote. The 50 votes in the house determines who will be President.

The Senate chooses the VP.

[Solitaire]

160. oh dear, then we will still have the same man in office ;(

[Gore1FL]

162. Likely -- But 2 important points

1> At least the syetm will have been allowed to work.

2> It all depends on how things play out. A lot will depend on how the split states decide on their one vote.

[Chimpanzee]

212. Not necessarily

It depend on the distribution of republican vs democratic congresspersons in each state. This should be something we could calculate - assuming no crossover votes.

[Stand and Fight]

116. No, not a senator.

Not a senator. One of his telephone lackies. If it could not be contested they would not have tried it in 2000. Be calm people and think. Becoming frustrated will only bog us down in pointless dribble.

[Farmgirl]

77. Hi, can you let me know whether...

This link is useful to anyone?

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Looks like it provides email and snail mail addresses to the state senators. Has anyone crafted a letter to send any one the Senators? If so, could you post it here?

:kick:

[gorbal]

79. I was thinking Kennedy would be more likely

As he is friends with Kerry and more likely to be in the loop about what is going on. He is a fighter too.

http://kennedy.senate.gov/index_low.html

[Minnesota_Lib]

80. Daschle...he has nothing to lose and is honest (nt)

[Hippo_Tron]

81. So, Do I contact Jeff Sessions or Richard Shelby?

J/K, I'm not really from Alabama (THANK GOD), but I'm from Louisiana which was red enough that Landrieu probably won't be of any help. And now we have Repuke Vitter as our other senator (shrug).

[saddemocrat]

83. wow

This is definitely something to follow. Thanks for the info!

[KaryninMiami]

84. HAS THIS BEEN SENT TO RANDI RHODES YET?

If the above is true and all we need is 1 Senator, this would be a good thing for her to broadcast out to her listeners. I don't want to overwhelm her if it's already been sent...

[helderheid]

205. No, but it's hot on her forum

http://forum.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=38807&s=49707bab01ff2c96438f1aca8bd9e220

[Truman01]

85. This is encouraging, surely one Sen will N/t

[Zen Democrat]

87. Sen. Robert Byrd already thinks this administration is ruining the country

He has stated over and over that this administration is a danger to the Constitution.

He's the Dean of the Senate and totally untouchable in West Virginia.

I say that Senator Byrd is the man for this particular job. He's not worried about his job, or whether the White House likes him or not. He's just there for the truth.

Another suggestion: Sen. Patrick Leahy. After what Cheney said to him, he just may be willing to fight.

[Woo]

89. Looker here...

Me and the other poster have been roundly ignored -- but I think it's important for this to be clarified... I'm not saying don't write your Senator --

But there's nothing in what I have read -- that indicates these congress men and women are ready to contest the election with the support of one Senator.

I'm not saying what this is or isn't -- I'm just telling you it's not *clear* -- can we get another source please -- Maybe directly from one of the representatives, the cynic in me would feel better-- I just hate to see everyones hopes get up and it ends up that we haven't quite reached that step yet...

[New Earth]

90. you and what other poster

[Woo]

92. Exactly what difference does that make ?

BUT since you ask Mak3cats --

I'm just asking people to read the original post -- and comprehend what it is saying -- not just the first line of the the post -- if I'm wrong, I'm wrong... not gonna bother me.

[darthdemocrat]

94. hey you both have a point

I haven't seen any justification that those congressmen are ready to go there either. It is, however, fair to ask who the "other poster" is when you're bringing it up as a point of interest.

When I hear it mentioned my initial reaction is to see if either of you does wind up with a good debate over this.

BTW thanks for saying who it was so I can do that. :)

[mak3cats]

127. Here I am...

It's not that we're not on with the contesting of the election, it's that it's not yet clear whether the representatives in question are ready to contest, or are just asking for the investigation. (And, no, even with my limited postings, I'm not a freeper. I've just recently been made aware of what that is.) The original posting cites a quote that makes it sound as if Conyers and crew are ready to contest if a senator joins in. But if it's taken out of context (as it seems to be with the use of the quotation marks), it could be a description of what is necessary to contest an election. A simple change of the subject wording of the original post would rectify that, or a link to the original document where the quote could be seen in its entirety...

[KatieB]

122. It only takes one senator and one house representative to contest

ala Fahrenheit 911

[scottxyz]

93. It's not gonna be F9/11 deja vu all over again, I predict

Some Dem Senator's gonna have the Wisdom to realize they can be a Hero if they go down in history as The Senator Who Said To Count The Votes.

Who's it gonna be?

[GetTheRightVote]

95. I'm from Florida & I emailed my reps and senators

to stand up and be counted like our votes.

[KatieB]

123. Senator has to be someone who is going to retire soon

We're talking about standing up to a whole lotta power folks

[noamnety]

97. I emailed Senator Levin

I urged him to make a stand, and to build a coalition to do so, so that it looks like a movement.

(and I thanked him for his nay vote this last weekend, even though we were outnumbered).

[verdalaven]

174. I emailed Levin too

just now, in fact. He seems like one of the good guys.

Let's hope he really is.

btw-I emailed Levin about a week ago about the election and got back what seemed like a personal response from him that addressed each of my concerns separately. Pretty cool. He wasn't receptive to fraud 2004, but still a pretty cool email.

[InvisibleTouch]

99. My senators...

...are both rethugs. (grumble*mutter*growl) Maybe I can be a "constituent in exile" for one of the blue states?

If it only takes one senator to get this rolling, though, we need to pick some likely prospects and send a flood of mail. And make a lot of media noise about it. The difference between now and 2000, is that it's much more out in the open this time. If our senators won't stick their necks out because it's right, maybe they can be shamed into doing so by public outcry.

[bunny planet]

100. I'm writing to Senator Frank Lautenberg of NJ. Anybody else from Jersey

want to ask him too?

[KatieB]

132. Yes, he's a great pick!

[TennisGuy2004]

101. The onlinejournal.com article is the best I've read on the topic...

No wonder he's an award-winning writer.

[Carolab]

103. WRITE RICHARD LUGAR

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x73481

[TennisGuy2004]

104. Done.

I just emailed Barbara Boxer of California, God bless her.

[Wordie]

106. Just curious. Anyone know where Kucinich is on all this? I haven't heard

anything about his take on all this, which is odd, since he is from OH. Anyone know?

[Zan_of_Texas]

107. NV ME MT OR MD

According to a chart done by Truth Is All (which probably still needs work, but you can get the idea), states that had tallies CLOSEST to the exit polls were Nevada, Maine, Montana, Oregon and Maryland, along with DC

Bear in mind that no matter how wonderful your senator, what you are asking them to do is call into question their own elected legitimacy -- this stuff is NOT limited to a few bad apple precincts, folks.

So, the likeliest to help from that standpoint would be those elected in states where the variance was the smallest.

Again, I'm not judging the statistical stuff on the chart -- just suggesting a few states where the variance seems smallest.

[Carolab]

108. SENATOR ROBERT BYRD OF WEST VIRGINIA

The great defender of the Constitution and the most OUTSPOKEN of them all. A true Statesman who can do his beloved country a great service as part of his legacy of devotion.

[Verve]

114. If we all wrote Kerry and told him we don't want him to pull a Gore.,

We could write him to let him know that we want this election contested if results deem it necessary. Then, he could start lobbying all his good buddies and get one of them to stand up for him.

[verdalaven]

181. Okay, will write to him, too

eom

[zann725]

197. When he stands up to say it,he'll hold up pocket copy of Constitution

that he carries with him everywhere!:kick:
Byrd's our man! Though it would be nice if several (or most) Senators participate.

[neohippie]

113. The Senator's from NC will not be participating

I don't think the electile dysfunction issue is going to get much attention from my Senators, Liz Dole and Richard Burr, who may have won, by irregular tactics, and Clinton bashing.

[Paligal]

124. Why don't we put pressure on ALL dem. senators?

Because I worry that high profile senators like Boxer will not want to put their political necks on the line solo, I think it would be more effective to just hammer all the democratic senators until either one cracks, or they band together. As a group, they will feel much more secure in stepping forward to challenge this. It's an issue nobody wants to touch with a ten foot pole, at least not as the first one to do so, because they know they will get attacked by their republican colleagues and their reputation will be called into question, valid or not. They worry about their careers more than doing what's right, that's simply a fact we need to acknowlege and work around. Can't we put together an e-mail/phone campaign to pressure Senators as a group? I can try to get a "cut and paste" list of democratic senator e-mail addresses and post it. We must stress that they should band together and that if the election process is corrupt, it could be THEIR jobs stolen next time.

[tommcintyre]

125. I'm building a Senate email blaster - I need some help please

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x74781


I'm doing this to help out on this issue:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x73567

I have all 100 email addresses now; and I will now build something similar to this:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm


What I need is:
1 - Sample emails for people to send to the Senators.

2 - Various email subject lines for them to choose.

I will list various choices of both (see this link for an example of what I will build:

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity.htm

<Note the "Reserved for alternative messages" link on this page:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity2_01.htm

I'm going to go build the pages now. I will check back later for any copy posted here.

<btw: This is not meant to replace people sending individual emails, only to supplement it. As one poster put it,"Correspondence from constituents usually gets a Congressperson's attention first, but a flooded inbox tends to draw attention too."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=203&topic_id=73794&mesg_id=73881

Also, if there is enough interest, and as time permits, I will build something that will make it easier for individuals to send emails to their own Senator.>

[Clark2008]

128. Ah, hell, this won't do me any good

My senators are Frist :scared: and Alexander :crazy:

Good luck to you blue states!!

Hey... Kerry's a senator.
So is Edwards...
And Kennedy...

:)

[KatieB]

130. SENATOR LAUTENBURG

He does not want to run again and is a big BUsh basher.

[KatieB]

131. YOU GUYS, NO REPUBLICAN IS GOING TO BRING DOWN HIS OWN PARTY"S PRESIDENT

[Fiendish Thingy]

133. The senator who should contest the election is Barack Obama

He will be newly inaugurated on 1/6/05, and can show that he's not just another "business as usual" politician by taking a stand right out of the gate. He's hugely popular, and any political capital he expends can hopefully be made up in 6 years...His joining with the largely African American house members who will contest the election could serve to further activate the African American community, despite any racial polarization that might occur- think of the impact on future African American turnout if, for one brief, possibly futile moment, African American politicians were able to expose this charade of an election for what it is. I think there's something to this idea, even if I'm not articulating it all that well- opinions?

[mopinko]

135. unbeliever

you will have to convince him first. even then. i do not expect him to be a rabble rouser.

[Paligal]

138. Obama? 1.Not a senator yet 2.Political suicide

I noticed 2 posts-

Obama is not yet a senator. He can't do anything until it is too late. And anyway, he would be committing political suicide if it backfired and nothing came of it. We want him in our back pocket for a future presidency. We don't want another Howard Dean on our hands, hoisted by his own petard (sp?)

As far as comments about republican senators- I wouldn't be so sure. I think some old-school Republicans are pretty fed up with this regime. And if it comes down to there being overwhelming proof of fraud, a republican congressman or senator might see that it would be wiser to save his own skin rather than openly support a straight-up stolen election.

[Gore1FL]

154. #2 might be correct but he'll be a Senator when this comes up.

n/t

[demo dutch]

137. A Senator from the old or new congress? can someone clear

that up because I have read so many conflicting responses on DU. Is the most important question!!!!
If it's the old congress we might get Edwards, Graham, Daschle, pretty easy choices, although Graham was nowhere to be found during the elections, barely helped out his predecessor Betty Castor, who lost the run for Fla Senator. Didn't see him campaigning much for Kerry either.
If it's the new congress it will be tougher, maybe Kennedy, Nelson, Schumer(he may be leaving anyhow)(forget Foley (R)(Fla) he's a jerk!) Other than that, isn't there a sympathetic Senator from the Buckeye State????

[genius]

139. Last time Gore was presiding so it must be the old Congress.

[pat_k]

142. No. It's the new congress.

The count on January 6th, 2005 will be done by the new congress. The new congress is seated/sworn in on January 3rd.

IMO, the following are candidates to lobby to object to electors appointed pursuant to a clearly discriminatory election -- like Ohio's:

Frank Lautenberg (nothing to lose and has been "out there" on a number of issues)

Jon Corzine (financially above the Wahsington BS and could be "shamed" by film of him "chatting" in the painful clip of the CBC objection in F911)

Barbara Boxer (No specific reason. Seems less staid than others.)

Jim Jeffords (ideal as a "non-partisan" standing up for American values).

Charles Schumer (Likes to be a pain in the ass)

Patty Murray (seems honest and naive)

Not sure about freshmen, but may be good candidates there.

[pbartch]

145. SENATOR RON WYDEN FROM OREGON

Maybe he and PATTY MURRAY would get together???

[demo dutch]

183. I believe you're right

I found this on one of the websites re: the 200 election mess.

"
The electoral vote certificates are opened and counted at a joint session of the Congress, held, as mandated (3 U.S.C. 15), on January 6 following the Electors' meeting (or, by custom, on the next day, if it falls on a Sunday); the vice president presides. Electoral votes are counted by the newly elected Congress, which convenes on January 3. The winning candidates are then declared to have been elected."

Too bad ... it will be harder to get Senators onboard.

[demo dutch]

180. Gore was residing because it's required that the Vice President

certifies the electoral vote on Jan 6th.

[Carolab]

140. How about Lugar's counterpart

Joe Biden of Delaware?

Biden was pretty outspoken about the war resolution and tried to get another passed. Plus he has been very critical of the administration in many other ways...including the "torture laws"...

[NVMojo]

141. Hello, Minority Leader Harry Reid!

Please do us some justice here!

[Paligal]

150. Harry Reid might as well be a Republican

Reid is anti-abortion, anti-gun control. Might as well be a Republican. He's not going to put on any gloves for us, believe me. He is most concerned with snuggling up to the Republicans and "reaching across party lines" at the moment, while he starts a new gig and is looking to get props. He will NEVER mire himself in this dangerous terrain. Look elsewhere, at least until they have actual undeniable proof and a winning case for overturning election/impeachment.

[pbartch]

143. I sent a request to Cong Blumenauer to talk with Demo Senators

I hope Congressman Blumenauer knows "stong SENATORS" who will step up and request an investigation.

[juslikagrzly]

146. Lovely idea....

but do you suppose my illustrious band of senators, Inhofe and psychoCoburn, would be so inclined??

Can a citizen of one state ask a senator from another to sign on to this? If so, tell me who to email and it's done.

[GettysbergII]

147. I think we should tell our Senators the truth....

....that we expect them to take a stand on this issue. That's just the truth. There's no way I can rationalize supporting any senator again who doesn't have the integrity and constitutional fortitude to stand up for our right and our children's right to vote. There will no more pleases from me.

[sepia_steel]

158. Well said!

I have also emailed Boxer and Feinstein.

[Paligal]

151. They should NOT contest election at this point!!!

In going back and reading the original post, I see that we are being urged to ask Senators to contest the election. I misunderstood. While I think it's good for us to write Senators, and that they should be signing on with the Congressmen to INVESTIGATE officially, if they actually officially contested the election at this point, we would be shooting ourselves in the foot. 80% of people still think that the election was fair at this point. I'm assuming that also reflects opinion in the House/Senate. When they officially contest the election, one member from each of the branches puts it up for a vote. It has to pass with a majority in both House and Senate at that point. Why would we want that right now? We have not compiled all the evidence yet or officially launched an investigation. It is those things that we need to urge our Senators to get on board with, and ask them that IF there is proof of fraud, that they then swiftly take action at that time. Contesting it now would get us, absolutely no doubt, a LOSING vote in House & Senate, and then we can't go back and contest it a second time. Hold back, people, on urging them to contest it, and instead, ask them to support an investigation, which, if it proves fraud, they then contest.

[Gore1FL]

153. There isn't a "at this point" They contest it after the EC vote

That is their one and only chance to do so.

[pat_k]

157. We must seek pledges to reject any electors appointed pursuant ....

We must seek a pledge from each and every member of the Senate and House to object to and reject any electors appointed pursuant to discriminatory or unreliable election results... i.e., a pledge to accept and count only the electors from states that have proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that their certified results were obtained lawfully in an election in which voters had equal access to exercising their right to vote, regardless of racial, socio-economic, or partisan status.

The electoral votes will be counted in Congress on January 6th, 2005. This count is not simply a ministerial duty. Congress has a constitutional duty to independently judge the validity of the electoral votes from every state. As stated by the member of Congress who introduced the Electoral Count Act in 1887 (and quoted by Justice Breyer, dissenting, in Bush v. Gore):

"The power to judge of the legality of the votes is a necessary consequent of the power to count. The existence of this power is of absolute necessity to the preservation of the Government."

If we are to preserve our government, the we must demand that the members of Congress do their duty and reject electors appointed pursuant to discriminatory or unreliable election results. If we fail to demand this, we sentence ourselves to year after year of elections that are incapable of measuring our will, where promises that "we won't make the same mistakes next time" are never kept because there are no consequences for conducting elections that yield discriminatory and unreliable results.

Any representative or senator that refuses to sign such a pledge must be called upon IN THE PRESS to explain their refusal to pledge to uphold the sole principle on which this nation was founded... the principle that our leaders serve ONLY with the consent of the governed.

For more, see http://www.unioncountyfordemocracy.org/files/restoring_sanity_point_by_point.html

[tommcintyre]

163. Sending emails now demanding they contest preps for later...

if necessary. They won't (and can't) contest yet. But it gives them feedback now about how strongly many people feel about the theft that occurred on Nov. 2nd.

The pages (with your letter) are up now. The letter reads very well. Nice job!

I'll post more on my original request thread.

[bunny planet]

182. Not now, at the January 6th unsealing and certifying of the electoral vote

in the Senate presided over by Darth Cheney.

[loudsue]

156. Interesting that NOBODY on here mentions Hillary CLINTON!!

I've been SO SICK AND TIRED of all the Hillary fans on DU trying to push her for the '08 contest....yet, when push comes to shove, NOBODY would ever consider that she might stand up for US!! FOR DEMOCRACY!!

That's because she WON'T, not now, and not ever. I hope this puts to rest the Hillary in '08 rally.

We need a REAL Statesman/woman to do this. Someone who ACTUALLY CARES whether America goes in the toilet or not.

O8) I hope we can find at least ONE Senator that cares about our Democracy!! O8)

But....from what I've seen lately, I won't be holding my breath.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Carolab]

210. Hear, hear!

I'm SICK of the Hillary meme.

She has done NOTHING to help. NOTHING!!!!

[Hello_Kitty]

159. Call me crazy but...

McCain's my Senator and I'm gonna give it a shot with him. What the hell, he could redeem himself (a little) in our eyes if he joined the Reps.

[jamboi]

161. I wrote to Boxer & Feinsten (since I'm from CA)! t/n

[demo dutch]

164. Old or New congress? I did some research and I am including

both the 12th amendment and 20th amendment for clarification

U.S. Constitution: Twelfth Amendment
Twelfth Amendment - Election of President

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.--The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Sofar not clear but then I found this under Amendment twenty :

''If it should happen that in the general election in November in presidential years no candidate for President had received a majority of all the electoral votes, the election of a President would then be thrown into the House of Representatives and the memberships of the House of Representatives called upon to elect a President would be the old Congress and not the new one just elected by the people. It might easily happen that the Members of the House of Representative, upon whom devolved the solemn duty of electing a Chief Magistrate for 4 years, had themselves been repudiated at the election that had just occurred, and the country would be confronted with the fact that a repudiated House, defeated by the people themselves at the general election, would still have the power to elect a President who would be in control of the country for the next 4 years. It is quite apparent that such a power ought not to exist, and that the people having expressed themselves at the ballot box should through the Representatives then selected, be able to select the President for the ensuing term. . .

It leads me to believe that if the election is contested and as a result the outcome is in doubt the same rule would apply. That explains why Gore presided over the last mess in 2000.
Anyone agree???

[Patsy Stone]

209. It's the new congress - the 109th incoming.

Al Gore presided because he was still VP. The inauguration isn't until the 20th, but the session is earlier, Jan. 6.

The new congress is there, but the President of the Senate (the VP) presides. Even if Kerry won, Cheney would open the envelope.

[gorbal]

165. Keep this Kicked!

I see the e-mail blaster and the "Which Senator" thread, but I am not sure everyone knows what is going on.

:)

[goclark]

167. Please kick some more nt

[liberalcenter]

166. Not another Michael Moore movie scene

kick

[gorbal]

I don't know

I kinda like his movies:)

[Vincardog]

168. DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN

[WiseFawn]

169. Ohio Senator Teresa Fedor

Very upset about the election!

[e-mail]

[gorbal]

170. Kick Good Idea

She sounds great.

You guys keep kicking it? I'm getting off the computer:)

[electropop]

171. I wrote both my senators

As they are both Repukes, I didn't bother asking them to contest the election. But I did politely ask them to support an investigation:

"Please support a full investigation of the election. Every elected member of the US Government needs the full faith and confidence of their constituents in the legitimacy of our elections. You stand only to benefit when you support open, fair, and accurate elections."

[tommcintyre]

221. Used in the Senate Blaster

Some may like it for certain Senators.

Thanks for sharing
http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote_alt_msg003.htm

Start here for proper navigation:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote2_01.htm

[Hobbes199]

173. List of Senators and web email forms

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

May be a better list out there, one with more personal emails maybe.

[Hobbes199]

177. Letter to senators Murray and Cantwell of WA:

Dear Mrs. Murray/Mrs. Cantwell,

You are well respected throughout Washington State, and have shown us time and again that you can make the right decisions on key issues that effect our state and the nation.

I'm writing today to urge you to stand up again for what you know to be a key issue facing us all: the contesting of this last presidential election. There are far too many overvotes, undervotes, machine glitches, exit poll anomalies, and voter suppression stories, to leave unchecked.

One senator standing up for what is right is all that is required to re-validate the election process, and give us back our faith in this democracy. As a voter in your state, and an admirer of your convictions, I ask that you be that senator, and show the state, the nation, and the world, that we indeed do have moral values.

Thanks for your time, and I look forward to hearing your response in the news.

Sincerly,
Jason Cortese
Seattle, WA

[Hobbes199]

184. Kick

Kickity.

[shakerbaker]

187. I also emailed Murray! nt.

[tommcintyre]

219. I added it to the Senate blaster

Very nice letter. :) It only took slight modification to make it generic enough for others to use it to blast or one-on-one.
Thanks for sharing.

Located here:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote_alt_msg002.htm

For proper navigation, start here:
http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote2_01.htm

[tommcintyre]

220. "with more personal emails maybe" Only short 19 now.

Can anybody provide a personal email for any of the following?

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote_bad_emailaddys.htm

[e-mail]

[e-mail]


[e-mail]

http://pryor.senate.gov/email_webform.htm

http://levin.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm

http://mikulski.senate.gov/mailform.html


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http://collins.senate.gov/low/contactemail.htm

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[gorbal]

175. Perhaps we could focus people on this exerct-

Perhaps we should focus peoples attention on this exerpt of the letter provided above-

"

-The almost 4,000 votes awarded to Bush in Columbus, Ohio, reported by the AP, which was only noticeable because more votes were recorded in the precinct than there were registered voters.

-Votes lost on a local initiative in Florida because the computer could only store so many votes.

-Apx. 4,500 votes lost in one North Carolina county.

-A glitch in San Francisco computers which caused many votes to be uncounted.

-Florida's anomalous results where only districts with touch screen voting had disproportionate votes for Bush than expected. This analysis has since
been duplicated by a UC Berkeley professor and others.

-AP reports in Florida and Ohio of voters who stated when using touchscreens, when they selected "John Kerry," that instead "George Bush" would appear on the screen.

-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all. The second letter, dated, November 8th, reported additional incidents.

-3,000 phantom votes were added by a Nebraska "vote tabulator" which doubled the votes.

-22,000 North Carolina votes which later had to be added because the computer initially discarded them due to system overload.

-21 voting machines in Broward County, Florida, malfunctioned, eliminating prior votes that had been cast on them in this most-Democratic county in the state.

-Warren County, Ohio's, bogus refusal allow independent monitoring of vote counting based on a terrorist incident which turned out later to not exist.

-Malfunctioning vote cassettes in Palm Beach, FL.

-Boxes of absentee votes discovered after the election in a Broward County election office."

Also is all of this info correct? If so I will post it all over the place.

I am really off this time, :)

[New Earth]

178. i emailed my senators in NJ

[Helga Scow Stern]

185. E-mailed my Senators Boxer and Feinstein, whom I've been writing often

ever since the election.

I think it is a good idea to write to Republicans too. Something tells me that there may be a bi-partisan effort around Dec. 5.

[Helga Scow Stern]

186. More ammo on why Republicans might support such an effort--Pataki?

Sorry, no link. It just arrived in my inbox:

From the NYT

G.O.P. Adviser Says Bush's Evangelical Strategy Split Country
By MICHAEL JANOFSKY

Published: November 11, 2004

WASHINGTON, Nov. 10 - Arthur Finkelstein, a Republican consultant known for hard-edged campaigns that helped conservatives in the United States and Israel, has said in an interview published in Israel that President Bush's campaign strategy to court evangelical Christians had divided the country as never before, to the possible detriment of the Republican Party.

"From now on, anyone who belongs to the Republican Party will automatically find himself in the same group as the opponents of abortion, and anyone who supports abortion will automatically be labeled a Democrat," Mr. Finkelstein told Maariv, a daily, in an interview published on Friday. "The political center has disappeared, and the Republican Party has become the party of the Christian right more so than in any other period in modern history."

Mr. Finkelstein, whose clients have included former Senators Alfonse M. D'Amato of New York and Jesse Helms of North Carolina and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel, suggested that Mr. Bush's strategy could ultimately stunt the presidential aspirations of moderate Republicans like one of his close allies, Gov. George E. Pataki of New York.

"Bush's strategy secures the power of the American Christian right not only for this term," Mr. Finkelstein said in the interview. "In fact, it secures its ability to choose the next Republican president."

Mr. Finkelstein's brother Ron said on Wednesday that he would be unavailable for further comment.

Arthur Finkelstein's thoughts on Mr. Bush's victory - or any victory, for that matter - are notable because of his reclusiveness. He rarely talks to reporters. But Boaz Gaon, a reporter for Maariv based in Tel Aviv, said he spoke with Mr. Finkelstein, who is based in New York, for two and a half hours by telephone last week to review the American elections and discuss the opening of Mr. Finkelstein's consulting office in Tel Aviv.

Mr. Finkelstein told Mr. Gaon that he was troubled by the strategy of dividing the country by "values of religion and culture."

"Bush courted the evangelical vote," he said, "and turned these elections, in fact, into a referendum on the religious and cultural nature of America. This is my problem."

As a result, he said, "it will be difficult for Pataki.''

"Bush's victory strengthens the ability of the Christian right to nominate the next Republican nominee as much as the last one," Mr. Finkelstein said.

A spokesman for Mr. Pataki, Kevin Quinn, said the governor had no response to the comments.

Mr. Finkelstein also criticized the campaign tactics of Mr. Bush's opponent, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, saying he should have responded more aggressively when he was attacked by Vietnam veterans who questioned the details of his military service. Mr. Finkelstein said Mr. Kerry's initial silence was a mistake, adding, "If he had dealt with the crisis differently, he would be president today."

Mr. Finkelstein said he believed that Democrats regarded Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York as the early favorite for the 2008 nomination but that her candidacy would "deepen even more the divisiveness" created this year.

"She will put off Democrats from the center," he said. "In terms of the Republicans, Hillary Clinton is a wonderful candidate for the presidency."

[genius]

189. The Senators pay more attention to faxes and calls than to emails

They get a ton of emails and so we might try a more visible strategy.

[tommcintyre]

193. snail mail is even better, but....

Not nearly as many people will call, fax or write. That's why Olbermann keeps saying "keep those emails coming". Just as with the politians, he knows his bosses will be much more impressed with 6,000 emails, compared to say, a couple hundred calls faxes or letters - although its good to have them too.

<New Senate Blaster>

Tell the U.S. Senators you want them to contest the Presidential election!

The U.S. Representatives are ready to do it. All it takes is just one Senator to sign on too! In 2000, not even one would! Let's not let this happen again! Email them all and let them know how you feel!

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote.htm

[paritom]

191. Kick

Maybe Boxer or Lee....

[WithStamina]

194. Question

What actually happens when the election is challenged? Excuse my ignorance.

[EndElectoral]

195. How 'bout Kent Conrad? He took them on about the tax miscue!

[Hailtothechimp]

196. Durbin!

My rep (Jan Schakowski) is already on board. Durbin's getting in would sweeten it even more.

[snot]

199. Russell Feingold?

Pls forgive if you've already considered; but Russell Feingold, WI? I'm told he voted against Patriot Act, for invasion of Afghanistan, against war in Iraq. Source of info (my dad) not 100% reliable.

[e-mail]

[regularjoe]

200. I wrote my senator, Patty Murray (D-WA). Feel free to copy.

Senator Murray,

For the last few weeks I have been keeping a close eye on problems experienced during the recent election, specifically relating to the presidential race. The many things I have seen have led to me to believe that it is vital this election be investigated more closely.

Bev Harris, a resident of Washington State, claims to have found evidence of unacceptable election practices in Florida and has found election officials unwilling to share documents that should be public. Her experiences, if you are unfamiliar with them, have been documented on her website blackboxvoting.org. Mrs. Harris also discovered that some of the federal certification of voting software was contracted to companies that wrote "not applicable" in the results for a security test. Finally, Mrs. Harris' book, "Black Box Voting" documents electronic voting machine companies using deception and the average election official's ignorance of computer systems to distribute uncertified and unauditable election equipment.

Residents of Franklin County, Ohio were able to give testimony under oath of their experiences with vote suppression and other irregularities. Some of the testimonies have been recorded at http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/917

Dr. Aviel Rubin, a Johns Hopkins University Professor and a team of students analyzed program source code from a Diebold Electronic Voting Machine and found it grossly lacking in fundamental security. His team's report, a Diebold response, and the team's rebuttal can be found at http://avirubin.com/vote/analysis/index.html

Regardless of whether fraud occurred or is found, I believe this election needs extensive investigation. It is my understanding that an election can be contested in congress by a combination of one senator and one representative. I ask you to look into this matter to discover the truth, and then, if significant investigation has not been accomplished, contest the election.

Please seek for opinions and evidence from all sides and do not be deceived by calculated explanations from those with an interest in suppressing vote investigation.


With Utmost Sincerity,

YOUR NAME HERE
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regularjoe

[g9udit]

211. SENATOR BYRD IS BEST BET FOR THIS. HERE IS HIS EMAIL ADDRESS

All,

I apologize for posting this twice, but I think it's VITAL
that we contact Senator Byrd on this.

As someone else on this thread has already pointed out,
we need someone who will retire soon from the Senate,
and who is too old to fear retribution or career damage.

Senator Byrd is FAR and away the best candidate as he meets
both of the above criteria and he was the MOST outspoken
opponent of Bush's rush to war in Iraq.

Senator Byrd's email address is

[e-mail]

I strongly urge everyone to email Sen. Byrd to join this effort

just an fyi.. Below is a letter I recently sent to the
Democratic Progressive Caucus on Dr. Freeman's recent research
study on the Unexplained Exit poll discrepancy.

If DU'ers write to Sen. Byrd, we should of course include info
on some of the research studies like Dr. Freeman's study, or the
UC Berkeley Research Teams recent discrepancy study.

It might be a good idea to also include the fact that as
has already been posted on this DU thread,
5 of Diebold's developers are convicted felons, including Senior Vice President Jeff Dean, whose twenty-three counts of felony Theft in the First Degree, were done by - get this - planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection.

Felons are not allowed to Vote, yet they are allowed to program the black box vote counting procedure that millions of Americans used .

Information on 5 of Diebold's developers belng felons is documented
at http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm


KEEP ON FIGHTING PEOPLE !

P.S Below is the letter I sent to the Dem. Progressive Caucus last
week :

BTW, Dr. Freeman has updated his study, and he now puts the odds
that the exit polls were wrong as 'only' 1 in 662,000 .


Dear Democratic Progressive Caucus members,

Below is a link to a Research Paper, conducted by an expert Researcher, on the extremely low possibility of the inaccuracy of the Exit polls that indicated John Kerry would win the recent Presidential Election.

Dr. Steven Freeman of the Univ. of Pennsylvania has recently released a research paper that puts the chance of exit poll statistical anomalies being off, to the degree that reported Computer voting totals suggest, at a mere 1 in 250 Million.

In "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," Dr. Steven F. Freeman, who has a PH. D from MIT and whose expertise lies in Research Methods, states :

"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts
in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

The odds of those exit poll statistical anomalies occurring by chance are 250,000,000 to one.

The 12 page Research paper can be read in it's entirety at : <http://www.ilcaonline.org/freeman.pdf>

A brief article on this research paper can be found on The Washington Monthly magazine at :

<http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20... <http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_11/005147.php> >

Dr. Freeman can be contacted via his email address that appears at the above PDF file, or via the email address of [e-mail] <mailto: [e-mail]>

I must state that I do not personally know Dr. Freeman, but his credentials and research paper appear to have data integrity.

Professor Freeman concludes the research paper with this:

"Systematic fraud or mistabulation is a premature conclusion, but the election's unexplained exit poll discrepancies make it an unavoidable hypothesis, one that is the responsibility of the media, academia, polling agencies, and the public to investigate."

[tommcintyre]

218. I've added it to the senate blaster.

http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote_alt_msg001.htm

Start here for proper navigatiion.
http://www.independentmediasource.com/senatevote2_01.htm

Thanks for sharing. :D

[Chimpanzee]

214. I planted a few ideas for Senator Byrd

Dear Senator Byrd,

I admire you greatly as a defender of our constitution and a fighter for our democracy. I have been very impressed with your fearless denouncement of the Iraq war and other daring challenges to the Bush administration, particularly regarding the fairness of our elections. The hypocrisy of the Republican condemnation of the Ukraine elections is mind-boggling.

I ask you, Senator, to please stand up with members of the house to contest the 2004 general election on January 6th. The obvious intentional disenfranchisement of black voters and overwhelming likelihood of election fraud must be challenged and investigated if our democracy is to survive.

I trust you, Senator Byrd, to perform this historic duty for our great nation.

Sincerely,

<Chimpanzee>

[Senator]

215. When You Contact Senators >>>

See what you can do to convince them that we need to...

Change the FRAME

Talk with the person on the phone about this. They can pass it on.

Alternately, for the more litigious among you. You can threaten them with a lawsuit. It didn't make it past the court clerk in 2001, but perhaps with some pushing a new version might fare better this time.

.

[proudbluestater]

216. Fahrenheit 9/11 anybody?

I do NOT want to watch every senator REFUSE to support this again this stolen election.

[saracat]

217. I thought Bill Nelson of FLA had already agreed to sign.

And that was their one senator.

[texpatriot2004]

222. Really? That's great.

I thought so.

[g9udit]

225. HERE IS A FORM LETTER FOR SENATORS. I JUST SENT TO BYRD

All,

Below is a letter I just sent to Sen. Byrd on this issue.

I offer it up as a form letter, that anyone can borrow, if they
don't want to write their own.

fyi ... It IS a long letter, as I wanted to make a complete case for
why an investigation was needed, so feel free to just borrow chunks
of it if you want. (Or write your own of course).

I'll post if I get anything other than a standard
"I read your email' message reply.

Keep Fighting People !
g9udit, 'The Mad Dem' :)


Dear Senator Byrd,

I am asking you to please come to your Countries aid and to join the Brave 13 Congressmen who have called for the GAO to Investigate the many documented errors, questionable results, and evidence of
Voter Disenfranchisement, Voter intimidation, and an insufficient number of working voting machines in many
polling places, that occurred in this months Presidential Election.

However, there can be no investigation, and the Country will never get to the truth of whether there was election fraud on November 2nd, unless at least One United States Senator is willing to add his or her name to the list of House Members making this request, and state officially that the American People deserve answers to the many below questions that have been raised regarding the reported election results on Nov. 2nd.

Please consider the below overwhelming Statistical Evidence indicating that the Computer Voting software may have been
manipulated to alter the reported results, and to tip some decisive swing states to Mr. Bush, in the recent Election:

I) Statistical Probability that Election Fraud occurred based upon Historically Reliable Exit Polls vs. Computer Voting results
is conservatively estimated at over 99 percent probable by Research experts and Polling professionals.

Dr. Steven Freeman of the Univ. of Pennsylvania has recently released a research paper that puts the chance of exit poll statistical anomalies being off, to the degree that reported Computer voting totals suggest, at a mere 1 in 662,000.

In "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," Dr. Steven F. Freeman, who has a PH. D from MIT and whose expertise lies in Research Methods, states :

"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

The odds of those exit poll statistical anomalies occurring by chance are 662,000 to one.

Dr. Freemans's Research paper can be read in it's entirety at : http://www.ilcaonline.org/freeman.pdf

Dr. Freeman can be contacted via his email address that appears at the above PDF file, or via the email address of
[e-mail]

Professor Freeman concludes the research paper with this:

"Systematic fraud or mistabulation is a premature conclusion, but the election's unexplained exit poll discrepancies make it an unavoidable
hypothesis, one that is the responsibility of the media, academia, polling agencies, and the public to investigate."

In addition to Dr. Freeman's study of the Voting Anomalies, the below website is a links to a similar study done by the UC Berkeley
research security team on this issue.

The UC Berkeley research team concluded that the probability of fraudulent Reported Election results were over 99 % :

http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/new_web/VOTE2004/election04_WPwappendices.pdf

Professor of Mathematics David Anick, formerly of MIT, did an in-depth study of the discrepancies between exit poll results in Swing States, and the Voting totals reported in those states, and Prof. Anick concluded that the chances of the exit polls
being as wrong as the reported vote totals would indicate, are only 1 in 50,000.

A comprehensive Master List of the voting problems documented in the recent Presidential Election, including links to Scholarly analysis done of the Computer Voting totals can be found at :

<http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm>

II) How could Computer Voting Fraud have been committed and was it feasible?

Please see the below demonstration of how Computer Votes could have been manipulated, in a 4 Step demonstration,
using Diebold's own GEM operating system software, from Chuck Herrin , a certified Microsoft Systems Engineer and IT auditor :

<http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm>

III) Suspects : Is there any reason to be suspicious of the Computer Voting companies?

No less than 5 of Diebold's developers are convicted felons, including Senior Vice President Jeff Dean, who tops
the list with his twenty-three counts of felony Theft in the First Degree.

Mr. Dean was convicted of all 23 felony counts of theft in the First degree by - and this should raise Red Flags to any
objective person - planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection.

The above information comes from Case File No. 89-1-04034-1 (State of Washington ):

So we have someone who pleaded guilty to 23 counts of embezzlement, who is given the position of Senior programmer
of the (Diebold) GEMS central tabulator system that counts approximately 50 percent of the votes in the (Bush-Kerry) election,
in 30 states, using both paper ballot and touch screen machines.

And while Felons are not allowed to vote in the United States, they are allowed to write the software that is used
to count millions of the votes for the United States Presidential Election.

And their software is proprietary, with reported results that cannot be verified by a paper audit trail , since none exists.

Both ES & S and Sequoia, the other 2 main Computer Voting companies, also have a track record of criminal behavior, which can easily be verified by checking the legal histories of these companies.

IV) Bullet point summaries of the most serious 2004 Presidential Vote total errors found so far :

In addition to the 57,000 Voter complaints concerning Voter disenfranchisement, broken down or insufficient
voting machines, received by People for the American Way, below is a bullet point summary of some of the most serious Presidential Election errors found so far, which are almost certainly just the tip of a large iceberg :

-The almost 4,000 votes awarded to Bush in Columbus, Ohio, reported by the AP, which was only noticeable because more votes were recorded in the precinct than there were registered voters.

-Apx. 4,500 votes lost in one North Carolina county.

-3,000 phantom votes were added by a Nebraska "vote tabulator" which doubled the votes.

-22,000 North Carolina votes which later had to be added because the computer initially discarded them due to system overload.

-A glitch in San Francisco computers which caused many votes to be uncounted.

-Florida's anomalous results where only districts with touch screen voting had disproportionate votes for Bush than expected.
This analysis has since been duplicated by a UC Berkeley professor and others.

-AP reports in Florida and Ohio of voters who stated when using touchscreens, when they selected "John Kerry,"
that instead "George Bush" would appear on the screen.

-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all.
The second letter, dated, November 8th, reported additional incidents.

-21 voting machines in Broward County, Florida, malfunctioned, eliminating prior votes that had been cast on them in this most-Democratic county in the state.

-Warren County, Ohio's, refusal to allow independent monitoring of vote counting based on a terrorist incident which turned out later to not exist.

- Machines in Oklahoma counted BACKWARDS for Kerry, with a net result of Sen Kerry losing 37,982 votes to the ES&S Optech Machines.
During the same time period President Bush gained 393,825 votes.
See this newspaper for confirmation of above Oklahoma problem http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=344

-Malfunctioning vote cassettes in Palm Beach, FL.

-Boxes of absentee votes discovered after the election in a Broward County election office.

- In Cleveland, Heavily Democratic wards, such as Precinct 6-C and precinct 13-F, reported less than 20 % turnout, despite record turnout in most cities :

V) Conclusion : - Means, Opportunity, and Criminal Track Record exist, justifying an Investigation into a matter of this importance

The above facts show that the Means, the Opportunity, and a Criminal track record of those involved in writing the Computer Voting Software all exist, and these 3 points taken together, along with the vast discrepancy between historically accurate Exit poll data and the reported Computer voting results in swing states, point to a very strong possibility that Fraud did occur on a massive and significant scale in this months Presidential Election.

At the very least, an independent investigation is needed to look into these serious matters, not only to be sure who the winner of the last election was, but also to insure that our Election voting procedures are safe, accurate, secure, and fair for future elections in our Country.

Please make sure that Future Generations will have the sacred American right to vote and to be sure there vote is recorded accurately, by supporting the members of Congress who have called for an Investigation.

I'd like to finish by saying that it would be a great tragedy if the citizens of the Ukraine are allowed to have a recount to verify that their recent National Elections were valid , while the citizens of the United States, the greatest Democracy on Earth, are not granted that same right.

Do the Ukrainians have more Courage and more fighting spirit to keep their newly won Democracy, than we Americans have ?

Does the Ukrainian opposition party have more Courage and dedication to Democracy and to a Just and Fair Election than the leadership of the Democratic Party has here in America, which was the Democratic model and Ideal that inspired so many foreign people, including the ex Soviet satellites, to cast off their Tyrannical governments, so that they could become Democracies themselves?

Can it be that America, the Beacon of Democracy, is a nation where their President is decided by an election where the votes are counted, using propiertary software, by 3 corporations that have both criminal records and heavy financial ties to the Republican Party, and of whom one of their CEO's, Walden O'Dell openly boasted that he would deliver the Electoral Votes of Ohio to Mr. Bush ?

Where is the Democratic Senate Leadership at this time ?

When will the Democratic Party reclaim their courage and Leadership, and stand up and Demand a just, and verifiable Vote count in America, without disenfranchisement?

I am putting my faith in you, as the one Senator who is courageous enough to take a stand for our Constitution and our Democracy.

Please Sir.

I beg you on behalf of the Brave American Troops who will no doubt die unnecessarily in Iran, if Mr. Bush is allowed to steal this election, and resume his reckless agenda of preemptive military strikes, which only further cripple our armed forces, provide propaganda recruitment to Al Qaieda, create more enemies and more terrorists, and damage the relationship with our allies.

Your service to your Country has been Great and Honorable.

Please now take a stand once more, and help our Country end this long national nightmare of fear mongering, deceit, and subversion of our Constitution, by aiding those Brave Congressmen who are calling for an investigation into the overwhelming questionable report vote totals in several key swing states, especially Ohio and Florida.

The Ukrainian Parliament has just taken steps to demand a new election in their country, after the widespread fraud that occurred there.

Do not American Citizens, deserve at least the same rights as Ukrainians to a Fair and Verifiable election ?

I await your reply.

Sincerely and in Love of Our Country and It's Democracy,
***** YOUR NAME *******

[IndyOp]

224. Kick

:kick:

[texpatriot2004]

228. Kick

[texpatriot2004]

229. Kick

[g9udit]

233. HERE IS FORM LETTER FOR SENATORS. I SENT TO BYRD,BOXER

All,

Below is a letter I just sent to Sen. Byrd on this issue.
( I sent ones to Boxer and Murray as well ).

I offer it up as a form letter, that anyone can borrow, if they
don't want to write their own.

fyi ... It IS a long letter, as I wanted to make a complete case for
why an investigation was needed, so feel free to just borrow chunks
of it if you want. (Or write your own of course).

I'll post if I get anything other than a standard
"I read your email' message reply.

Keep Fighting People !
g9udit, 'The Mad Dem'


Dear Senator Byrd,

I am asking you to please come to our Nations aid and to join the Brave 13 Congressmen who have called for the GAO to Investigate the many documented errors, questionable results, and evidence of
Voter Disenfranchisement, Voter intimidation, and an insufficient number of working voting machines in many
polling places, that occurred in this months Presidential Election.

However, there can be no investigation, and the Country will never get to the truth of whether there was election fraud on November 2nd, unless at least One United States Senator is willing to add his or her name to the list of House Members making this request, and state officially that the American People deserve answers to the many below questions that have been raised regarding the reported election results on Nov. 2nd.

Please consider the below overwhelming Statistical Evidence indicating that the Computer Voting software may have been
manipulated to alter the reported results, and to tip some decisive swing states to Mr. Bush, in the recent Election:

I) Statistical Probability that Election Fraud occurred based upon Historically Reliable Exit Polls vs. Computer Voting results
is conservatively estimated at over 99 percent probable by Research experts and Polling professionals.

Dr. Steven Freeman of the Univ. of Pennsylvania has recently released a research paper that puts the chance of exit poll statistical anomalies being off, to the degree that reported Computer voting totals suggest, at a mere 1 in 662,000.

In "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," Dr. Steven F. Freeman, who has a PH. D from MIT and whose expertise lies in Research Methods, states :

"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

The odds of those exit poll statistical anomalies occurring by chance are 662,000 to one.

Dr. Freemans's Research paper can be read in it's entirety at : http://www.ilcaonline.org/freeman.pdf

Dr. Freeman can be contacted via his email address that appears at the above PDF file, or via the email address of
[e-mail]

Professor Freeman concludes the research paper with this:

"Systematic fraud or mistabulation is a premature conclusion, but the election's unexplained exit poll discrepancies make it an unavoidable
hypothesis, one that is the responsibility of the media, academia, polling agencies, and the public to investigate."

In addition to Dr. Freeman's study of the Voting Anomalies, the below website is a links to a similar study done by the UC Berkeley
research security team on this issue.

The UC Berkeley research team concluded that the probability of fraudulent Reported Election results were over 99 % :

http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/new_web/VOTE2004/election04_...

Professor of Mathematics David Anick, formerly of MIT, did an in-depth study of the discrepancies between exit poll results in Swing States, and the Voting totals reported in those states, and Prof. Anick concluded that the chances of the exit polls
being as wrong as the reported vote totals would indicate, are only 1 in 50,000.

A comprehensive Master List of the voting problems documented in the recent Presidential Election, including links to Scholarly analysis done of the Computer Voting totals can be found at :

<http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm >

II) How could Computer Voting Fraud have been committed and was it feasible?

Please see the below demonstration of how Computer Votes could have been manipulated, in a 4 Step demonstration,
using Diebold's own GEM operating system software, from Chuck Herrin , a certified Microsoft Systems Engineer and IT auditor :

<http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm >

III) Suspects : Is there any reason to be suspicious of the Computer Voting companies?

No less than 5 of Diebold's developers are convicted felons, including Senior Vice President Jeff Dean, who tops
the list with his twenty-three counts of felony Theft in the First Degree.

Mr. Dean was convicted of all 23 felony counts of theft in the First degree by - and this should raise Red Flags to any
objective person - planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection.

The above information comes from Case File No. 89-1-04034-1 (State of Washington ):

So we have someone who pleaded guilty to 23 counts of embezzlement, who is given the position of Senior programmer
of the (Diebold) GEMS central tabulator system that counts approximately 50 percent of the votes in the (Bush-Kerry) election,
in 30 states, using both paper ballot and touch screen machines.

And while Felons are not allowed to vote in the United States, they are allowed to write the software that is used
to count millions of the votes for the United States Presidential Election.

And their software is proprietary, with reported results that cannot be verified by a paper audit trail , since none exists.

Both ES & S and Sequoia, the other 2 main Computer Voting companies, also have a track record of criminal behavior, which can easily be verified by checking the legal histories of these companies.

IV) Bullet point summaries of the most serious 2004 Presidential Vote total errors found so far :

In addition to the 57,000 Voter complaints concerning Voter disenfranchisement, broken down or insufficient
voting machines, received by People for the American Way, below is a bullet point summary of some of the most serious Presidential Election errors found so far, which are almost certainly just the tip of a large iceberg :

-The almost 4,000 votes awarded to Bush in Columbus, Ohio, reported by the AP, which was only noticeable because more votes were recorded in the precinct than there were registered voters.

-Apx. 4,500 votes lost in one North Carolina county.

-3,000 phantom votes were added by a Nebraska "vote tabulator" which doubled the votes.

-22,000 North Carolina votes which later had to be added because the computer initially discarded them due to system overload.

-A glitch in San Francisco computers which caused many votes to be uncounted.

-Florida's anomalous results where only districts with touch screen voting had disproportionate votes for Bush than expected.
This analysis has since been duplicated by a UC Berkeley professor and others.

-AP reports in Florida and Ohio of voters who stated when using touchscreens, when they selected "John Kerry,"
that instead "George Bush" would appear on the screen.

-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all.
The second letter, dated, November 8th, reported additional incidents.

-21 voting machines in Broward County, Florida, malfunctioned, eliminating prior votes that had been cast on them in this most-Democratic county in the state.

-Warren County, Ohio's, refusal to allow independent monitoring of vote counting based on a terrorist incident which turned out later to not exist.

- Machines in Oklahoma counted BACKWARDS for Kerry, with a net result of Sen Kerry losing 37,982 votes to the ES&S Optech Machines.
During the same time period President Bush gained 393,825 votes.
See this newspaper for confirmation of above Oklahoma problem http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=344

-Malfunctioning vote cassettes in Palm Beach, FL.

-Boxes of absentee votes discovered after the election in a Broward County election office.

- In Cleveland, Heavily Democratic wards, such as Precinct 6-C and precinct 13-F, reported less than 20 % turnout, despite record turnout in most cities :

V) Conclusion : - Means, Opportunity, and Criminal Track Record exist, justifying an Investigation into a matter of this importance

The above facts show that the Means, the Opportunity, and a Criminal track record of those involved in writing the Computer Voting Software all exist, and these 3 points taken together, along with the vast discrepancy between historically accurate Exit poll data and the reported Computer voting results in swing states, point to a very strong possibility that Fraud did occur on a massive and significant scale in this months Presidential Election.

At the very least, an independent investigation is needed to look into these serious matters, not only to be sure who the winner of the last election was, but also to insure that our Election voting procedures are safe, accurate, secure, and fair for future elections in our Country.

Please make sure that Future Generations will have the sacred American right to vote and to be sure there vote is recorded accurately, by supporting the members of Congress who have called for an Investigation.

I'd like to finish by saying that it would be a great tragedy if the citizens of the Ukraine are allowed to have a recount to verify that their recent National Elections were valid , while the citizens of the United States, the greatest Democracy on Earth, are not granted that same right.

Do the Ukrainians have more Courage and more fighting spirit to keep their newly won Democracy, than we Americans have ?

Does the Ukrainian opposition party have more Courage and dedication to Democracy and to a Just and Fair Election than the leadership of the Democratic Party has here in America, which was the Democratic model and Ideal that inspired so many foreign people, including the ex Soviet satellites, to cast off their Tyrannical governments, so that they could become Democracies themselves?

Can it be that America, the Beacon of Democracy, is a nation where their President is decided by an election where the votes are counted, using propiertary software, by 3 corporations that have both criminal records and heavy financial ties to the Republican Party, and of whom one of their CEO's, Walden O'Dell openly boasted that he would deliver the Electoral Votes of Ohio to Mr. Bush ?

Where is the Democratic Senate Leadership at this time ?

When will the Democratic Party reclaim their courage and Leadership, and stand up and Demand a just, and verifiable Vote count in America, without disenfranchisement?

I am putting my faith in you, as the one Senator who is courageous enough to take a stand for our Constitution and our Democracy.

Please Sir.

I beg you on behalf of the Brave American Troops who will no doubt die unnecessarily in Iran, if Mr. Bush is allowed to steal this election, and resume his reckless agenda of preemptive military strikes, which only further cripple our armed forces, provide propaganda recruitment to Al Qaieda, create more enemies and more terrorists, and damage the relationship with our allies.

Your service to your Country has been Great and Honorable.

Please now take a stand once more, and help our Country end this long national nightmare of fear mongering, deceit, and subversion of our Constitution, by aiding those Brave Congressmen who are calling for an investigation into the overwhelming questionable report vote totals in several key swing states, especially Ohio and Florida.

The Ukrainian Parliament has just taken steps to demand a new election in their country, after the widespread fraud that occurred there.

Do not American Citizens, deserve at least the same rights as Ukrainians to a Fair and Verifiable election ?

I await your reply.

Sincerely and in Love of Our Country and It's Democracy,
***** YOUR NAME *******

[Cowboy Joe2k]

234. If one Senator is all we need John Kerry should take point.

The 14th Amendment has been Violated for all people Black and white. Indeed any one who used a paperless voting machine that can not be Audited are the people who have been disenfranchised.

The "Super Voters" are the people who decide the election. The are the ones that Locked the Press out wile they counted in Ohio. The are they ones who continue to hide the truth in Florida. The Class who is Disenfranchised are the American People. More Specifically any one designed the right to have their vote counted. A vote Up loaded to a central tabulator can not be recounted. A vote that can not be verified by the Voter is not a Vote at all.

Black and white, Red and Green. It is to hard to prove one specific Skin Color has been discriminated against.

Please don't let Racism keep you so busy chasing your tail that you forget to Put a Voter Verify-able Non-Partisan Auditing system in place by the next election.

"I have a dream,

that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today!"

Dr. Martin L. King Jr.


All American must come together to bring Democracy back to our nation and take our vote back from the "Super Voters". This is the Idea that the 14th amendment was drawn upon.

[4democracy]

235. I think Daschle is a good idea, does anyone have his e-mail address?

[cosmicdot]

237. I pleaded my heart out to Sen. Boxer

now is the time for all good people to come to the aid of their country

[tommcintyre]

238. kick

[texpatriot2004]

239. kick

[IndyOp]

240. kick

:kick:

[garybeck]

241. LEAHY

I'm going to call Leahy tomorrow. If no one has the guts to do this something is very wrong.

[Stand and Fight]

242. NOT THE PRESENT SENATE

It will be the 109th Congress to decide this. So everyone who keeps posting Senators who are leaving from the 108th, the present Congress/Senate, are ignoring VITAL information.

[keepthemhonest]

243. this is what my rep (from georgia Johny Isakson)wrote back to me

"Thank you for contacting my office regarding the reform of our election
process. I appreciate your thoughts on this issue.

In order to address individuals' confidence in the voting system, The
Help
America Vote Act of 2002 passed the House on December 12, 2001 by a
bi-partisan vote of 362-63. The legislation was subsequently passed by
the Senate and signed by President George W. Bush. Because it is
critical
for our citizens to have confidence in our electoral system, I was a
co-sponsor of this act. I believe that it has addressed many of the
most
pressing problems faced by local elections officials, and am happy that
it
has become law.

As a result of this legislation, the results of the 2004 election were
determined within a day. On the day following the election, Senator
John
Kerry conceded to President George W. Bush, and President Bush declared
victory. The voting system in place worked. Additionally, I will work
with my colleagues to continue to build on these improvements to even
further secure our election process for the future.

Please feel free to visit my website at www.house.gov/isakson for more
information on issues that may be of importance to you, as well as to
sign
up for my monthly email update. Thank you again for contacting me, and
I
hope you will not hesitate to call on me in the future if I can be of
assistance to you.

[Carolab]

245. I think you'd better write back

and tell him what a joke HAVA is, how it was NOT followed (i.e., lack of paper trails) and what a MESS this election actually was.

Who IS this guy? Has he been living under a rock? Please inform him that privatized, electronic voting will NOT stand, particularly when it is being rigged by a couple of partisan crooks. Also, tell him that he needs to do some READING on this subject, and point him in the right direction--such as to www.chuckherrin.com www.gregpalast.com as well www.verifiedvoting.org www.blackboxvoting.org and to www.nov2truth.org.

[keepthemhonest]

246. isn't that rediculous

he's definately living under a rock.

anyone have a good response I'll cut and paste and send it to him.

I am usually not good at verbalizing all that I want to say.

[tbuddha]

244. SCHUMER!! SCHUMER!! SCHUMER!! SCHUMER!! SCHUMER!!