Blackwell, SoS of OH to be on Olbermann's show now on MSNBC n/t

[Wordie]

[MelissaB]

1. Thanks

I didn't know!

[clydefrand]

2. Let those of us who can't get that show know what's going on.

[proudtobeadem]

3. Somebody Please post what they're saying. Thank You :- )

[Wordie]

6. Nothing yet. There is another Olbermann thread now too, fyi.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x90282

[Wordie]

8. Here it is...talking about Jesse Jackson joining the fight...

Announcing Blackwell interview. Darn, another commercial break. :(

[Ducks In A Row]

4. well he really be tough with blackwell?

will msnbc allow keith to do his job?

it will be interesting to see.

[Twist_U_Up]

5. amazing

Seems like rove has been chomping on the bit to start up his propaganda (slime) machine. Blackwell on TV ALREADY ? But there hasn`t been any MSM. Whats he worried about ?

[Stand and Fight]

7. Ha!

Maybe they expect those who have been watching Olbermann -- us! -- to fall for the shitty lies Blackwell is going to spew. Fucking Rovians bastards.

[karlrschneider]

9. Any details you can provide will be appreciated...we cancelled cable 3

weeks ago...
:eyes:
Thanks

[MeDeMax]

10. visit countdown.msnbc.com later ...

for the transcript.

will do our best to summarize, its coming up NOW.

[Wordie]

11. Mentioned that word, "fraud" used for first time today in OH.

Glibs filed for recounts in NV and NM. "Fraud" term used by Jesse J.

"We want everybody to vote, and their vote to count. We can live with losing, we can't live with fraud." (Jesse Jackson)

Jackson says Kerry supports investigation. Kerry spokesman says no evidence of fraud found.

Republican news release says Dems recount a waste of money.

[MeDeMax]

13. some quotes

KB: "Kerry conceeded so he has no standing to ask for a recount..."

KB: "Other two gentlemen (candidates) have a right to ask for recount, but they together only received .25% of vote"

KB looks awfully nervous if you ask me...

[Eloriel]

40. I thought that was a real interesting point --

"Kerry conceeded so he has no standing to ask for a recount..."

Kinda like he was trying to get the legal (not to mention court of public opinion) argument right out there, ahead of everyone. Just in case.

[Patsy Stone]

44. Also untrue...Am I wrong?

It is not a legally binding statement. Any losing candidate can request a recount.

[Eloriel]

53. Well, there have been lots of people here (and elsewhere?)

who kept insisting that a concession speech is not legally binding, but I don't happen to personally know for sure (or care, really -- Kerry's been so AWOL on this issue I don't think he'd deserve the Presidency if he got it).

[eaprez]

12. Why is Mr Katherine Blackwell using Franklin County as an example?

Kerry won Franklin county.

[tbuddha]

14. Better put my boots on...

it's getting deep here

[caligirl]

20. also good for ass kicking, KB? N/T

[caligirl]

15. Here is another way to get the message out. got this today.

http://www.usaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=eiJPJ5OVF&b=71216

UPDATE & Action November 18, 2004


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[AnIndependentTexan]

16. Blackwell just tried to say that he was blocked from changing punch cards

aka hanging chads

[demo dutch]

17. The guy is a crook!

[ailsagirl]

54. A total crook-- hope he's sweating bullets

[Eric J in MN]

58. Ohio could have bought optical-scan ballots.

It's paperless electronic voting machines people were against.

[Wordie]

18. Blackwell calls Jackson a provocateur.

KO asks about whether Blackwell is obstructionist. Blackwell complaining about cost. Talking about how few votes the glibs got. Says Kerry has no standing, as he didn't request recount. KO catches him on how cost is established by OH law.

Blackwell going on about Jesse J's complaints about unfairness. Example: in Franklin county head of Dem party told Jesse Jackson to be quiet. KB saying JJ is trying to stir hornets nest.

KO: your office not taking steps to prevent recount? KB: no, our law allows it. Will regard is as yet another audit of the voting process. We have an extensive audit process, where we audit several precincts, and that's why it takes so long. 70% of voters use punchcard system, which I opposed, but legislature didn't change. We have most scrutinized election system in US.

KO: asking about appearance of conflict of interest because KB is also head of Republican party. KB is describing similar situation with dems as chairs of election boards.

KO: can you refute or confirm the internet story that you had meeting with Pres. Bush on election day. KB: thats absurd. Result of too many people with too much time on their hands.

Over now. Some of this is very much paraphrased. Hope it helps.

[IAMREALITY]

23. OMG! LOL

As far as what Katherine Blackwell said it was just Blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah.. You know, same old stupid everything was perfect rhetoric.

I don't care about that though, it was what was expected. What I dooooo care about though, is HOLY SHIT are we getting to this guy! I was laughin my ass off so much! He was so transparent. Trying so hard to seem in control but he simply just wasn't. He would keep sayin Listen Keef, Ok Keef, Keef listen LOL then he would smile the fakest smile you've ever seen! (ya know kinda like bushies in the debates!) You could tell this guy is flustered and nervous. He was attacking Jackson so bad like he hurt his feelings or something. I don't know, it just cracked me the hell up. I'm tellin you guys, he is friggin starting to crack. Too fuckin funny

[ahyums]

24. oh that's interesting the punch card counties self audit

if I understand that correctly. Can someone please confirm for me whether or not most election boards (meaning the whole board not just the chairman) at county level are bipartisan?

[Wordie]

28. Here is where you can get the Countdown transcript:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710
It sometimes takes a while for it to be posted on the site.

[AnIndependentTexan]

19. Blackwell is trying to say he didn't have a meeting with Bush on

election day.

[caligirl]

21. I never heard about this meeting. Did he really do this?

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. Bush stopped in Ohio on Election day

for one last campaign stop on his way from Crawford to DC. I believe Blackwell was there. I will have to look for the story.

[MelissaB]

35. I'd like this question to be answered, too.

Did they meet? How do we know? Thanks in advance.

[klebean]

25. not only did he deny meeting w/bush

but he said this is the sort of mythology (referring to KO's citing of internet buzz) that occurs when "people have too much time on their hands" -- said ever so pompously...

[Patsy Stone]

48. I, for one, have very little time on my hands

therefore I have many typos... :)

[Generic Other]

22. Blackwell insulted Jackson

said "he never even had the nerve to run and win an election to dogcatcher in Ohio." Nice guy.

[Shalom]

30. From a Guy Who Was Appointed Dogshit Scooper in Ohio....n/t

[burn the bush]

39. let's email JJ that Blackwell is dissin him on olbermann

maybe it will rile JJ up some more to call out Blackwell. Up til now JJ has been careful to not accuse Blackwell himself. Maybe if he knows that blackwell is not giving him the same courtesy...

[carolinalady]

61. Don't think for a min. that Jesse doesn't know what KB is saying!

[SueZhope]

26. Did any one feel that

...Blackwell got much to much air time.....?
It would nice if Jackson could have the same amount of time to share his side of the story....I love Kieth but that felt like a paid advertisement from the GOP

[AuntPatsy]

27. Take a moment and recall the plane crash that almost killed

his friend and yet sadly took the life of the son. I hate to wear the tin hat here but could that have been a message considering blackwell was on his who tonight?

[bemis12]

29. Oh brother...... n/t

[MeDeMax]

32. sorry but I didn't

Keith asked, what I thought were, three good questions:

_1. "willing to say that your office will not fight the recount request"

_2. "met with * on election day"

_3. "response to Rev J's statement about team owner & umpire"


SOS KB kocked down the first with "right to request but it will cost us money", denied 2nd,
and gave a run around on the 3rd criticizing Rev JJ.

--

[mod mom]

34. Did they get to Keith?

those were not hard questions. blackwell was given so much time with no rebuttal from Jackson. say it ain't so keith.

[seito]

38. I think Keith is understandably distraught

but I don't think anyone got to him.

[GreatAuntK]

36. Where were the hard questions?

I would have expected KO to have a list of abuses to ask him about. If he had a list of the issues somewhere on the table, perhaps he threw them up in the air before the commercial, because he didn't go into them. I mean, particular things, like shortage of machines, people waiting in line for 8-10 hours, screens registering Bush when they punched Kerry etc. The devil is in the details, and he did not go there. He just let Blackwell have the stage. You can't say Blackwell didn't have a chance to put forward his case, he did, and now... what?

Blackwell even threatened to have the legislature pass a new ruling on the cost of recounts - but not likely that could happen so quickly, could it?

When Blackwell was whining that the candidates had so few votes that it wouldn't change anything for them, and yet they're asking for a recount, the obvious response, I would have thought ... When there are obvious irregularities, and there are - isn't a fair election, with all of the votes counted, reason enough for a recount.

[Wordie]

42. KO challenged him about the appearance of impropriety re: wearing two hats

both as SoS, and as chair of the state Repub party. Also, pointed out that Blackwell's whining about the costs was disingenuous, as the costs were established by OH law.

I do wish he perhaps had been a bit harder on him, but considering the situation with his close friend, Dick Ebersol, I'm personally willing to let KO slide.

[bemis12]

45. There's a difference between cost and price

And you're mixing them up.

[Eloriel]

59. Write him ! And suggest next time he do a little more homework --

such as:

VOTERSUNITE database of Voting Problems by state
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=state&selectstate=NV&selectproblemtype=ALL

[texpatriot2004]

47. I felt the same thing, Blackwell got ro run off at the mouth

Blackwell got to run off at the mouth and not answer the questions, typical behavior for Repugs - I thought he mostly bashed Jackson. Apparently, they also coached Katherine Blackwell to say the same thing over and over. Like if you say it enough times, it's true...NOT! I am a big fan of K. Olbermann but he was way to quiet. The questions he asked were good, Blackwell didn't answer them, but Keith could have asked more.

[satya]

33. My notes on what was said

KO said Jesse used the term "fraud" openly in Ohio for the first time today. Jesse quoted as saying, "I suppose the more info Kerry gets, the more you will hear from him".

KB calling Jesse a "publicity hound", complaining about cost of recount to state (cost to Glibs is $120K, the price in 1956). Says they're abiding by the law. Votes are counted at local level.
Franklin county head of BOE is African-American and head of Dems for that county and that he would not let voters be disenfranchised, told Jesse to stop. KB says Jesse is trying to stir up a hornet's nest, that "Elvis is dead" :shrug:

KO asked if KB taking any steps to prevent recount.
KO told 2 candidates once we certify on 12/6, they have 5 days to ask for recount, once they ask we will provide it. It's taken this long to certify because we audit by precinct across state, to be sure every vote counted. 70% use punchcard machine I tried to change, bi-partisan activity stopped that. We have met every test, I'm very proud, delivered free & fair election

KO asked about conflict of interest
KB says Ohio is bi-partisan, very transparent, Montgomery County BOE head is dem chairmen.

KO asked if KB met w/ Bush on election day.
KB: hogwash, absolutely zero, not true

[jbond56]

62. Elvis is Dead?

What the hell was that about? Elvis? Give Keith a break he had to break the news of close friends son being found. Then read that dental records would be used to identify the body. That is very Hard. I would have liked a question about machine distribution but all Kathrine Blackwell could say is nothing to see here everything was perfect.


I would Like to see Keith give JJ equal time, especially after being called a publicity hound. How hard has Kathrine Blackwell fought for voting rights? 13 cent per Ohioan to double check the vote is nothing compared to shrub raising the birth tax.


I don't think he would be on tv, not to mention terra alerts, if they weren't concerned.

[flyarm]

37. keith is very upset about DICK EBERSOL

you can tell he is very upset about dick...he never threw his ball of paper at the end...he is shook up bad!!

[BlueStateBlue]

41. Sean (Insanity) Hannity Talking About JJ Now

Flipping through the channels after Keith's show, I came across Fox (euwww...) and there's Sean Hannity spewing about how JJ and the liberals didn't get the memo, their side lost. Just trying to undermine our president, blah blah blah. Methinks he dost protest too much. Looks like they're getting scared.
:think:

[politicasista]

46. Glad I don't watched those mean-spirited people

[SnoopDog]

43. My thoughts

It is interesting to note that, today, a new video was released today showing Osama bin Laden's right-hand man Ayman al-Zawahiri talking about vowing to ‘continuing fighting U.S.” (reference: CNN). Even more interesting, this video was recorded before Nov. 2, 2004.

I guess there must me a mess of cards in the idiot’s (my personal name for *) hand – they play them when they need to divert attention.

Yes, I am new. So glad that DU exists. It helps me cope with our democracy going down the tubes. But, I truly believe that we will prevail – we have to continue to fight. There will be many battles.

I saw the ‘Blackwell’ piece – the *’s must be nervous. They are putting up many diversions.

First post – go easy on me. Please feel free to redirect this if needed.

[IAMREALITY]

49. Wow, Has DU made it that hard? LOL

I notice all these newbies covering their heads after they post LOL

Welcome To DU SNOOPDOG!

:hi:

Trust me, we really aren't that bad for newbies. Many of you have been amazing! New or Old, the ones we flame are the troublemakers, the ones that come in with the only intention of trying to shake us off our game, demotivate us, and convince us of right wing brainwash bullshit.

Since your post does none of those things, you have nothing to fear!

[seito]

50. Hi Snoopdog

Their tactics are getting a bit dull. For an evil genius, you would think that *'s brain would be more creative.

Welcome to DU!!! :hi:

[Patsy Stone]

69. It's a really short playbook

There's only like five or six pages in it:

1) Lie
2) Cheat
3) Steal
4) Obfuscate
5) Project
6) See #1

[kimchi]

51. Nice to have you here, SnoopDog!

You've brought up a good point; one that DUers constantly bring up! When things go bad for *, invariably there is either a new video or a raised terror alert.

No need to re-direct; I think you hit that nail on the head. And welcome to DU!

[Helga Scow Stern]

55. Welcome, SnoopDog!

Thank you for your thoughts. I didn't know about the "new" AlQaeda video.

[SnoopDog]

57. It is on cnn.com

And, thanks!

I am looking forward to helping our cause.

[intheflow]

56. Hi SnoopDog.

We only attack those who sound freeperish, who move like trolls in the night. You are obviously a person with class and intelligence.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[SnoopDog]

66. Thanks, everyone, for the welcome.

This will be my last post on this thread (as to not ‘kick’ it up unwarranted). Just want to say thanks to my greeters and for the tips. I have been reading DU since 11/02 and have picked up on the basics. Everyone is very passionate about our desire for democracy, and so am I.

Woof-woof.

[saracat]

60. Welcome Snoopdog! We don't bite....

Much!:7

[VivaKerry]

64. Hey Snoop Dog.

Word of advice... DU (as a newbie) is a rough sea. But, I find it is easy to navigate if when (and it WILL happen) someone rides your butt, you sit back and ask two questions:

1. Is this person trying to tell me how to think? (if so, blow them off)

2. Is this person trying to talk WITH me.. illustrate something I may have overlooked? (if so, engage them, I have learned a lot here, and it isn't by engaging the people in question no. 1, above).

I am loving snoop dog these days!

[proudtobeadem]

65. Welcome SnoopDog ! :)

[JennC]

52. I wish he had asked Blackwell about the homeland security lock down

during the vote count. I really wanted to see him dance around that.

[Hailtothechimp]

63. The email I sent to KO about this. Please read.

Watching the Ohio Secretary of State on your show, it became clear to me how the recount will be done. See what you think:

Badnarik asks for a recount and gets it. Similarly, Cobb asks for and gets a recount. THEIR votes are recounted, since they are paying for it. But nobody recounts either Kerry’s or Bush’s votes, since they did not ask for (and pay for) a recount. The results don’t change, and Rove & Co. laugh for four more years.

Do you think it’s possible? I hope everyone is ready for this creative interpretation of the recount law.

Love what you’re doing. Keep it up.




Am I nuts, or could it happen this way?

[ArthurRuger]

67. Ouch, say it can't be true...n/t

[IAMREALITY]

68. Sorry

But You asked me to phrase it this way...You're Nuts... Any Presidential recount automatically retallies the votes for ALL candidates. That is just simply how it works.

Also, not to be nit-picky but I don't think fraud is KO's priority right now. The accident of his mentor is probably forefront don't ya think? Maybe you should've started off by saying our prayers are with Ebersol etc..

[intheflow]

72. You can sign up with the Ohio Dems and certify the vote

for yourself. (Assuming, of course, you have the luxury of time off and money to travel to Ohio.)

Here's their blog that states it: http://www.ohiodems.org/index.php?display=ViewBlogThread&id=201965

It doesn't advertise on their front page that they're looking for counting volunteers, but they are.

(snip)

"Volunteers can sign up at the Ohio Democratic Party website: www.ohiodems.org and the party will also accept contributions to help offset the cost of completing a recount."

[lizzieforkerry]

70. I hate Ken Blackwell

I agree with all of your posts about his interview and just wanted to add that it seemed like KB ended the interview, not KO. I have never seen the interviewee end the interview before. It was strange. And what was up with the Elvis is Dead comment?!

[IAMREALITY]

71. It was a backhanded smack on us (delusional theories) n/t