Failed Logic: Airing "The Ten Commandments" during Easter weekend.

[4lbs]

:wtf:

Yeah, that makes sense. Airing a movie about Moses, the Jewish/Hebrew people, and events that happened thousands of years BEFORE the birth of Christ, during a weekend where Christians celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ.



Next, we'll see ABC air a documentary/film about the life of Hitler during Rashashana. :eyes:

[asthmaticeog]

1. It's Passover this week too, Dr. Knowledge. nt

[angstlessk]

3. funny how ALL the celebrations seem to coincide with one another

specially since they ALL BEGAN A PAGAN CELEBRATIONS!

[asthmaticeog]

9. Passover was never a Pagan celebration. It's origins are well-known, and entirely Hebraic.

But I do appreciate the all capsing, to make the duh in your post easier to find. :hi:

[angstlessk]

11. I am not that familiar with the Jewish religion..but did attend Catholic school for 8 years..so

I understand..you put animal blood on your door to prevent the infanticide..sort of like a spring ritual of sacraficing an animal for fertility..only in this case...the non destruction of your young...same old same old!

[asthmaticeog]

14. Yes, that one aspect of the story coincides slightly with Paganism.

And that's because Judaism evolved alongside Paganism in the ancient Middle East. Animal sacrifice was expected among Yahweh worshippers every bit as much as Baal and Ishtar worshippers, it was part of a shared regional culture. When you talk about Christianity usurping Pagan celebrations, you're talking about non-sequitural things like adopting the Yule tree as a Christmas symbol, or fertility symbols like eggs and rabbits to go with Easter. That was done to adapt newly-converted populations from their native religions to the new-to-them Christian celebrations. Judaism never did any such thing, because Judaism doesn't proselytize. If there's no need to segue other populations out of their native religions, there's no need to co-opt their customs. So when you say that all religious celebrations were originally Pagan celebrations, it's a oversimplification so gross it can't help but lead to flat-out falsehood. In the case of Passover and Easter, their coincidence has NOTHING to do with any Pagan custom. They coincide because the Last Supper was in fact a Passover Seder.

You were right about ONE thing, though. You are not that familiar with the Jewish religion.

[DJ13]

2. You're right

Hellraiser would have been the better choice.

[NanceGreggs]

4. Talk about failed logic ...

Moses is to Easter as Hitler is to Rosh Hashanah?

[4lbs]

16. It would make about as much sense is what I'm saying.

The Easter weekend should have movies about Christ.

"King of Kings"

"The Last Temptation of Christ"

"The Passion of the Christ"

etc.

[NanceGreggs]

18. Actually ...

... it would make exactly as much sense as what you are saying - which is no sense at all.

Why is it that, according to you, Easter weekend should have movies about Christ, but Passover, on the other hand, should feature no movies about Moses?

[4lbs]

20. I didn't say it shouldn't feature movies about Moses. Just show them on the actual day of Passover.

Not Easter weekend.

Hey, I'm an agnostic.

I don't know jack about the Jewish or Christian faith other than what's on my calendar hanging on my wall. I really don't want to know more either.

As per the calendar, Passover is Wednesday and Thursday.

There's Good Friday after that, and Easter Sunday.


So, air "The Ten Commandments" during those two Passover days and during Rashashana and Hannukah.

Air movies that feature Christ during Easter weekend, between Good Friday and Easter Sunday. Also during Christmas.

See, that's the logic I follow.

[NanceGreggs]

22. "I don't know jack about the Jewish or Christian faith .."

I see your special subject is the bleedin' obvious.

[4lbs]

25. Nance, it seems you are getting a little offended by the religious aspect of it.

Let's remove that and focus only on the logic thought.

Read my post, #24, where I explain it in great detail.

[NanceGreggs]

29. No, not at all ...

... I just fail to see what is "illogical" about showing a film about the origins of Passover during the week of Passover.

[4lbs]

30. There. Yes, I just learned that Passover is a week long. The logical disconnect on my part is that

I thought it was only the two days of Wednesday and Thursday.

Everywhere I've seen it written and on the calendars in my home, it's just listed as being on Wednesday and Thursday.

If I had known that it was a full week long, and included Saturday, there would be no logical disconnect on my part. Now that I know, I'm satisfied. :)

[NanceGreggs]

31. No problem!

I also assumed (which I shouldn't have) that you knew. Which is why I kept saying your logic was illogical!

And whether you observe either holiday or not, here's wishing you and yours a Happy Easter and a peaceful Passover.

:pals:

[4lbs]

32. You too.

:fistbump:

[The_Commonist]

5. We'll be watching "Jesus Christ Superstar" tonight...

"must die, must die, this Jesus must, Jesus must, Jesus must die..."

[MineralMan]

7. Yah, us too. My wife and I always watch it on Easter.

Odd, I guess, since we're atheists. It's notable that there's no resurrection in the movie, too.

[The_Commonist]

8. Yep! Our Easter tradition also!!

We're athiests too, but the music is just so damn good...

[MineralMan]

10. Last year, a road show of the musical came to the Twin Cities,

with Ted Neeley as the lead. He's getting old, but he was either hitting the high notes or they had them on tape and he lip-synched 'em. It wasn't a bad production, but it wasn't a great one, either. It was, however, Neeley's farewell tour in that role, according to the program.

[MineralMan]

6. Hmm...Perhaps you've heard of Passover...

or, perhaps not.

Not everyone professes Christianity, you know.

[rrneck]

12. If it prays it pays nt

[angstlessk]

13. GREAT FUCKING POINT!

[4lbs]

15. Regarding the Passover event, then why not air the movie Wednesday night or whenever Passover

actually occurs?

ABC could have slotted 8:00pm to 12:00am Wednesday night for that. It would have been more appropriate.

[asthmaticeog]

17. Because that's when the fucking Seder is going on.

Sunday, on the other hand, is when the Movie Of The Week is on. :patriot:

And Passover wasn't just Wednesday night, it's still going on. Fucking Christian exceptionalist types just can't let anybody else have ANYTHING, can you? Did you even know the Last Supper was a Seder? I'm gonna guess no on that.

[4lbs]

19. Christian exceptionalist? I'm an agnostic. I really don't give a crap about religion.

n/t

[asthmaticeog]

21. Then WTF is with this OP?

:wtf:

[4lbs]

24. The issue isn't the religion, it's the logic of showing movies outside of the events they celebrate.

Let's move away from the Passover/Easter thing and I'll provide additional examples to see if you can understand what I am getting at.

Independence Day is July 4th. That's the day America celebrates it as such. So, on that day, or maybe July 2 or 3, if I see HBO bring back it's excellent mini-series "John Adams", it would make perfect sense since it covers the "birth" of the country in most part. However, if I see said mini-series aired in September or March, I question why, since nothing in those months are regarding the events contained in the mini-series. At least not in any major plot point I can recall.

Other movies like "The Patriot" and "Revolution" would also be applicable to Independence Day. However, if I see those movies aired during late October or Thanksgiving, I'll shake my head and wonder what the logic is in showing those movies at that point in the calendar year.

St. Patrick's Day is March 17th. I would expect movies about Ireland and/or the Irish in America to be aired on those days. "The Quiet Man", "Michael Collins", even "Far and Away" are good examples. However, if "A Man for All Seasons" aired on St. Patrick's Day, I would question the wisdom and logic of that, since it focused on events strictly in England, and has nothing to do with St. Patrick's Day.

Thanksgiving is celebrated in America on the last Thursday of November. I would expect that week to be filled with movies regarding Thanksgiving, or that use Thanksgiving as a major backdrop. "The Family Stone", "Home For the Holidays", etc., are fine examples. However, a movie like "The Alamo" or "Glory" really doesn't have a place here, since there is nothing about Thanksgiving in them.

Let's take Halloween. I would expect the month of October to be filled with airings of Halloween type, or "horror" movies, near the day of October 31. If someone was to air a Christmas or Spring Break movie during that time, I would question the wisdom of that.

Many romantic comedies come out during the week of February 14, Valentine's Day. That makes sense. I certainly don't expect to see a Christmas or Thanksgiving movie shown during that week. It would be out of place.

Now, let's get back to Passover/Easter. Is Passover the two days Wednesday and Thursday? Or is it longer? If Passover lasts from Wednesday all the way to Monday, then TTC would certainly be appropriate and my OP would be non-applicable. However, I notice that mention is made only of Wednesday and Thursday for Passover.

We know Good Friday was several days ago, and Easter is today. So, wouldn't movie like "The Ten Commandments" be better off shown on that Wednesday and Thursday during the two days of Passover, since it is a movie about the Jewish struggle for freedom from slavery in Egypt? Air a movie about Jewish/Hebrew people on a Jewish holiday. Just as applicable and sensible would be "The Ten Commandments" during Rashashana and Hannukah. Two other Jewish holidays. No problem with airing it then. Good Friday and Easter are Christian holidays, specific to Christ. So, air movies about Christ on that weekend. I would be just as critical in the logic of airing a Halloween or Thanksgiving movie this weekend. For example, TCM (Turner Classic Movies) cable channel is airing "Ben Hur", "King of Kings" (both versions) today, and "Barabbas". All are applicable to today. They make sense by showing them today (and even yesterday if they desired). However, any channel that was to show a Thanksgiving or Halloween movie this weekend would be illogical in their thought, as I am claiming.

[asthmaticeog]

27. Passover is a week long. Aren't you glad you typed all that, though? Way to fail. nt

[4lbs]

28. Thanks then. I didn't know that Passover was a week long. Everywhere I've seen it referenced it

was just two days.

So, then, yes, TTC is applicable to be shown this weekend.

There, that's all. There is no longer a failed logic to me. It is now logical to me that a movie like "The Ten Commandments" is shown on the weekend, since it is still considered Passover until, what, next Wednesday?

Is Passover from Wednesday to the next Wednesday? Thus, this year, from April 8th all the way through April 14th?

See how that works? You and others really didn't need to take offense. All that was needed was to point out that Passover is longer than the two days I've seen mentioned in various instances, encompasses the weekend as well, and everything would make sense and be logical to me.

[leapinggnome]

35. Well, my vote for a appropriate movie

for Good Friday is Long Good Friday w/ Bob Hoskins.

You've spent a lot of energy worrying about television programming. Wow, you need a hobby.

Or hey, you could sign up for Netflix and watch whatever movie you wanted.

[MineralMan]

33. Cool, then let's only show Christmas movies on Christmas

day. That'll work. Check with your local community college for a course in basic logic.

[My Good Babushka]

23. We celebrate secular Easter

and watch Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. More movies about chocolate, that's what we want.

[4lbs]

26. I noticed ABC also showed "It's the Easter Bunny, Charlie Brown" on Tuesday night.

However, I questioned why show it so early, when it should have been on Saturday night, or today.

Air the specials or movies on the day they reference in their plot.

[MineralMan]

34. That's just moronic.

So Christmas movies only on Christmas Day? Is that what you're saying? Feh!