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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:15 PM Original message |
Can we all stop pretending about "respecting other's beliefs" please |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. If someone posts on a board trying to save my ass, and starts waving |
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ulysses
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. that's ok, G'monger. |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Like |
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ulysses
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. easy there. |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. psst |
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ulysses
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. hell, I'd already had you pegged as the one |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
50. I remember that one |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Ok, I'll whisper |
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toddaa
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I take that as a compliment from you |
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Solo_in_MD
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. I would be much more concerned about Muslims and the Sharia than any you list |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. As for Mormons, the first one I disrespect is Mitt Romney, who's running |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Do you not see the irony |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. If they want him on a cruise ship heading for L.A., that's fine with me. |
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Imperialism Inc.
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Mon Mar-26-07 07:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
67. Many biblical scholars consider most of the NT Jesus story |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #67 |
83. Possibly I got it, though. I've read authors who deny the existence of |
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Imperialism Inc.
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Mon Mar-26-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I'm not talking about non-existence. I'm talking about legend |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #88 |
97. As to the question of continent. |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. There have been some "events" in this hemisphere with Jesus and Mary. |
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Goblinmonger
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Doesn't it seem odd, though |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. You're killing me with Marilyn Monroe and falafel. |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I'm thinking it was the Chili that brought her? |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. "Except Bill O'Reilly" !! LOL! |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Well, I'll take that as advice not to follow Mary on her particular quest for good Chili? |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. "Welcome house pets! There's strength in numbers!. Come one, come |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Ha! |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Peace to ye, Molly. You're a gem. |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Backatcha of course. |
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cain_7777
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Wed Mar-28-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #105 |
164. I'd rather have the falafel without the taint of religion |
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mzmolly
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Wed Mar-28-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Not all "religions" make that claim. |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Isn't that interesting? |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I'm thinking somehow that neither Mary nor Jesus nor anybody else |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. I'm thinking you're on to something with that Cochise, Martin Luther connection. |
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Goblinmonger
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. "TAUNTING the Franciscans" |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Say, I like those costumes. |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. 'Am very current on Crossan. |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #88 |
111. Just asking, but how do you know I'm missing a point if you don't |
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Imperialism Inc.
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Because you keep arguing that dead people walking around one |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I think the fact that Jesus revealed himself to those he knew if sufficient is it not? |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. Good point on the geography. Which is why I have my sincere doubts |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. I think you've got a gun in your hand and are insisting on firing it. |
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Goblinmonger
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. But you are arguing that he walked as a dead man |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. If you want the man dead, kill him. If you want him alive, and in |
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Goblinmonger
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. I'm confused |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. M'lord. I've tried to compliment you in this thread and you've not |
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Goblinmonger
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. I should probably PM this, but this is easier |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. I bear my share of the blame, Goblinmonger. I'm obtuse these days |
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Imperialism Inc.
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. I will admit that I have no idea what you are talking about. |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. What is it you think I believe? That dead people walk? I do not believe |
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saltpoint
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. Those quotations aren't mine. |
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Imperialism Inc.
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. OK. I see Goblin re-asked basically the same thing above. |
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Madspirit
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. I NEVER pretend |
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trotsky
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. A noble effort to point out the hypocrisy. |
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rasputin1952
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. But those are the ignorant, and while they run among humanity... |
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varkam
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Well |
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rasputin1952
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #53 |
74. I concur wholeheartedly, ignorance is one of the great wrongs of |
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trotsky
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Mon Mar-26-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
66. But who is ignorant? |
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rasputin1952
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:07 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. No, we are all ignorant on certain aspects of life, science, religion and a |
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trotsky
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. But how would you know if they are "willfully ignorant"? |
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rasputin1952
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
81. IMO, "willfully ignorance" is what occurs when people refuse to look at |
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trotsky
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Is it "willfully ignorant"... |
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rasputin1952
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Mon Mar-26-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Thanks for the bait.... |
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trotsky
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Mon Mar-26-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Not intended as bait, really. |
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rasputin1952
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Mon Mar-26-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Answers... |
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trotsky
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Mon Mar-26-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Not really that cut-and-dried, is it? |
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rasputin1952
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Mon Mar-26-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #96 |
145. Not at all... |
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trotsky
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Tue Mar-27-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #145 |
146. I don't think this is going anywhere. |
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rasputin1952
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Tue Mar-27-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. It may well not be going anywhere. I had stated that there were some |
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moggie
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Mon Mar-26-07 09:56 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Not quite |
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rasputin1952
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Mon Mar-26-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Ack! Thanks for the correction, while I was typing that I was thinking |
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MistressOverdone
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Mon Mar-26-07 07:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
69. Very excellent point |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. Would you agree |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You were one of the people I was talking about |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Thank you |
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toddaa
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Respect for you the person |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Very profound |
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ulysses
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. is all respect earned? |
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toddaa
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. Tolerance and respect are two different things |
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ulysses
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. right. I didn't mean tolerance. n/t |
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toddaa
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Is there a word between tolerance and respect? |
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ulysses
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. we probably are. |
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MistressOverdone
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
70. Maybe "acknowledge"? |
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Quantess
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #40 |
76. so, you appreciate people who think for themselves? |
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donco6
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
14. I don't pretend. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. This is a two way street frankly. |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I never said that I did respect anyone's beliefs |
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ayeshahaqqiqa
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. What an interesting concept-- |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I'm not seeing how your atheism is at fault in the first place. If someone |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I was just using that as a |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. No, I wasn't suggesting fault on your part. Just saying that I'm |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. No it didn't go "whoosh" but given the lack of respect is mutual |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. That's because you're a class act, start to finish. Hey there, Molly. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Hey OC! |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Don't make me blush -- I'm trying to stay mad at the Republicans! |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. LOL |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I already trust your political instincts, Molly, but you and Goblinmonger |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Awe thanks. |
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saltpoint
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. And we others are learning something. This is an exciting thread. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Well, I'm having trouble understanding what I'm attempting to communicate. |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Hey |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. LOL |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. But my point is |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I feel that respect should be given fully to ones beliefs or a lack thereof. |
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Goblinmonger
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Sun Mar-25-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. But you didn't say |
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mzmolly
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Sun Mar-25-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Gotcha. |
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Goblinmonger
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Mon Mar-26-07 09:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
84. I think progressive Christians and Atheists |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Goodness, I'm a displaced Vikings fan living among them. |
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Goblinmonger
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Mon Mar-26-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Of course we can discuss religion |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. No you needn't "trash" my belief. Thinking it's "not true" is not trashing. |
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MistressOverdone
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:15 AM Response to Reply #33 |
73. I know I have come late to this party |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #73 |
91. Excellent summarization. |
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More Than A Feeling
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Mon Mar-26-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
103. Besides, there are other ways of making the same point, without invoking pink unicorns, santa, |
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MistressOverdone
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Mon Mar-26-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Yes, there are |
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More Than A Feeling
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Sun Mar-25-07 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
18. If religion were treated as ideas instead of identity, there would be no need to worry. |
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cyborg_jim
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Sun Mar-25-07 11:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
51. Indeed. Do the members here give respect to Republican political beliefs? |
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Tigress DEM
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Some "traditional" Republican beliefs have merit. |
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JerseygirlCT
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Mon Mar-26-07 06:31 AM Response to Reply #51 |
65. To their right to have and express those beliefs, sure. |
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MistressOverdone
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
77. I often respect the ideals Republicans discuss |
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varkam
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
52. Bingo. |
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JerseygirlCT
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Mon Mar-26-07 06:29 AM Response to Reply #18 |
64. I agree. But that's exactly why the debate in this area can get so |
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varkam
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Mon Mar-26-07 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
54. Often times, people confuse "respect" with "accept" |
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Tigress DEM
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I agree that those two are confused.. A LOT. |
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Tigress DEM
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
55. Sounds like Projection to me. |
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More Than A Feeling
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:44 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. How do you feel about calling the virtue of the entire concept of "faith" |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
78. What do you mean by "valid for an individual"? |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #78 |
98. Another take or two. |
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
59. This is why I've always felt kind of bad for Bryant |
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Neoma
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
60. I agree that a majority of them are assholes. |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #60 |
99. Who's "them?" |
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Neoma
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
120. Mainly evangelical christians. |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Martin Luther King Jr. and Jimmy Carter (for example) consider(ed) themselves evangelicals. |
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Neoma
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Mon Mar-26-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #124 |
141. And that's why I said 'a majority of them are assholes.' |
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Quantess
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Mon Mar-26-07 05:01 AM Response to Original message |
61. Dear Goblinmonger-- |
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CarbonDate
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Mon Mar-26-07 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
62. Here's my question: |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
100. Yes. |
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Odin2005
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #100 |
139. WTF is a "personal" truth? |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. Call it what you will. |
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Odin2005
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Tue Mar-27-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. That didn't answer my question. |
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mzmolly
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Tue Mar-27-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Spirituality is of a personal nature, thus my statement. |
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cyborg_jim
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Tue Mar-27-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. How quaint. |
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mzmolly
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Tue Mar-27-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. How transparent. |
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cyborg_jim
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Tue Mar-27-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. So not truths then. |
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mzmolly
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Tue Mar-27-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. I used the terms"individual/personal" |
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cyborg_jim
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Tue Mar-27-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. Which is a contradiction in terms. |
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mzmolly
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Tue Mar-27-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. "There is no single definition of truth about which the majority of scholars agree..." |
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cyborg_jim
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Tue Mar-27-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. I don't think I said I found it unusual |
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mzmolly
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Tue Mar-27-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Funny, my foot feels fine. |
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Tue Mar-27-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. I'm sure it does. But your inability to feel a shot foot doesn't change it being shot. |
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mzmolly
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Tue Mar-27-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Your delusions about my being shot, don't make it so. |
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Wed Mar-28-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #160 |
163. It's my spiritual truth. Don't trample on my spirituality. |
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mzmolly
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Wed Mar-28-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #163 |
165. Well given you've taken to worshiping my foot, I'll accept that answer. |
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Wed Mar-28-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. I don't know you well enough for that. Play your cards right though and who knows? |
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Odin2005
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Wed Mar-28-07 07:33 AM Response to Reply #150 |
162. Damn, you beat me to the obvios answer. |
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mzmolly
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Wed Mar-28-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #162 |
166. Oh no, I admit to your irrationality. |
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CarbonDate
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Wed Mar-28-07 05:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
161. Perhaps I should clarify. |
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Mon Mar-26-07 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
63. I see a difference between "respecting other beliefs" |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #63 |
80. One should differentiate even further. |
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JerseygirlCT
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Mon Mar-26-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
119. True. nt |
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varkam
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
135. I disagree |
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MistressOverdone
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Mon Mar-26-07 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
68. Various faiths can get downright odd |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
75. Absolutely, with the proviso that one should express that disrespect respectfully. |
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mzmolly
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Mon Mar-26-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #75 |
95. Nice summary. |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Mon Mar-26-07 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
79. I had this discussion at work a few years ago |
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Odin2005
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
140. That is exaclty where the bad stereotypes about Atheists come from. |
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Mon Mar-26-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #140 |
143. Yeah, it's a real shame. |
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Tue Mar-27-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #140 |
157. Perhaps it depends on whether you've been invited to comment |
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Mon Mar-26-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
138. Great post. I will not respect intolerant beliefs. |
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Mon Mar-26-07 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
144. There's a LOT of beliefs I do NOT respect in any way, shape, or form |
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Wed Apr-04-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #144 |
169. And that's the ONLY thing required from anyone. |
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