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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 05:10 AM Original message |
For Chris Hedges and everyone else |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. Stalin was a "fundamentalist" atheist |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Could you please explain what "fundamental" tenets of atheism Stalin was following? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Stalin was violating fundamental tenets of atheism and communism. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. All true. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 06:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. ..... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. I'm a proud virgin, so I guess abstinence is my form of sex |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. ..... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Smart man...n/t |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
66. How is it 'fundamental' atheism to worship anything? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
78. No he wasn't. |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'm sorry but I think he has a point. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. You do not understand the term "fundamentalism." |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The term "Fundamentalist" is misused for both sides |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. That's because Hedges, like too many even here on DU, |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. And so sensible that they feel the need to insult. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
83. +1 |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. What holy book requires that people go to church every Sunday? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Well, at least you've backed away from the term. |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. There is a deep history of nonbeliever repression of believers or worse. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. And you are confusing "nonbelievers" with some kind of monolithic group. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Substantiation? |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I don't want to continue the conversation because it is a complete waste of time. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. So, to sum up |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Deep History? |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Oh, please. What a fruitless exercise. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well, yes...I guess for you |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Now, let's not get personally nasty. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Don't throw the ad hom if you can't take the flamewar. n/t |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Personally nasty? |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. what's your point? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Why would atheists forbid the worship of some non-existent god? It would be silly. |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Not really. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. There is no equivalence. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Your are completely wrong! |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Have you checked the history books lately? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. It was all done in the name of something else, like communism, or fascism.... |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. There were also people on power who did some awful things |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. What you describe as "fundamentalist atheism" is your own phantom. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
79. Fundamentalist atheism is a contradiction in terms. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. First we would have to see a real "Fundamentalist Atheist" movement in order to fear it |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
25. Since we're talking in over-the-top extremist terms.... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. This sounds like rectal extraction |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Considering the OP is talking in extremist ideology... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Please point to where |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. The most extreme? |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. I want you to put up or shut up |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
80. No one is suggesting that. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
29. Bad but preferable to if fundie athiests like Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot took over |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. You were given the opportunity |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-07-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Because that's all he does. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Coming from you, all I can say is |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 06:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I remind you of how you lack that, huh? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 05:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
46. That's like asking for substantiation that Bill Clinton was president in the 90s |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Yup, Ricey, you proved that Communists stamped out religion. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Don't you ever address substance? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 07:08 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. You're the one who should be answering that question. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. One True Scotsman! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 07:20 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You are? |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. There is no way to apply one true scotsman to atheism |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Here is the logical problem and I hope you'll address it seriously |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. It's 'NO True Scotsman' |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. ... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Examples please n/t |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. I believe there are no logical consequences to non-belief in god. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. We're not talking about only atheists here |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Whether Hitchens and the others are saying that atheism for them carries with it... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 06:25 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. First a joke and then a hypothetical |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 06:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. So therefore, logically, it is clear that the atheist bureaucrat... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Your response is up to your usual standards! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Dude, what you keep claiming is that somehow this "fundie atheism" |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Go back and read the subthread carefully |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. LOL |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. We can still talk about it |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. Again, you are confusing |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. You've hit the nail on the head, |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. You've hit the nail on the head also |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Um, YEAH! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Just like others |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Heck, I'd even question that first link. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. I agree |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
51. Here's an interesting summary history on Google books |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-08-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Paul Froese? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-09-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
81. You don't. |
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