We should have a "Renounce Catholicism" challenge

[harry_pothead]

Like the blasphemy challenge from a few years ago. According to the news, record numbers of people are leaving the Catholic Church. That would be cool if we could get people to say in video "I Hereby Renounce My Catholicism" - and have it go viral just like the blasphemy challenge.

[KonaKane]

1. How about a "renounce pedophilia" challenge?

Doesn't that make more sense. Stop being a bigot.

[JuniperLea]

3. Is it bigotry for a Catholic to renounce their own religion?

I don't think so.

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[harry_pothead]

4. It's not the sex abuse, it's the Catholic Church's response to the abuse,

which gives tacit support to what happened.

[ZombieHorde]

7. The Catholic Church is a hate group.

Wanting people to leave hate groups is not bigotry.

[pnwmom]

15. It is bigotry when you group all Catholics together and blame them all

for the actions of a few.

[ZombieHorde]

23. Anyone who gives the Catholic Church money is supporting the actions of a few.

The Catholic Church uses a portion of their money to repress the civil rights of gay people and keep pedophiles in their parishes. Anyone who sends the Catholic Church money is supporting this.

The actions of a few are actually the actions of the many.

[KonaKane]

33. Do you pay your taxes? Then you support the following according to your theory..

1. The Iraq War
2. Secret prisons
3. Torture
4. Murderous invasions and other occupations.

Shall I go on, or would you like to rethink that?

[JuniperLea]

34. There is no choice but to pay taxes...

People have a choice as to whether they support a church that condones (by covering up) despicable acts.

Perhaps YOU should rethink?

[KonaKane]

37. Sure there is. The nation is full of people who don't pay their taxes

based on a moral premise.

Still wanna stick with that one?

[ZombieHorde]

44. "The nation is full of people who don't pay their taxes based on a moral premise."

Really? Do you have a link? How does that work?

[KonaKane]

48. Try out the War Resistor's League.

They have instruction with how to not pay the "war tax". I dont have the link on hand but its an easy Google I'm sure.

[ZombieHorde]

54. I'll look into that, thanks for the heads up. nt

[ZombieHorde]

64. OK, I checked them out.

They are either breaking the law or taking jobs with very little pay.

This does not compare to not giving money to the Catholic Church. Not even close.

[JuniperLea]

68. Just as I thought...

If it were easy to avoid paying taxes, no one would!

[JuniperLea]

67. They don't get away with it...

There are tax evasion laws you know.

[virgogal]

55. I agree. I left the church about 40 years ago but there are many

fine people attending,and priests serving, the Catholic Church.

[JuniperLea]

69. I know many very good Catholics...

Who take their service to God and humanity very seriously. Many of them feel very betrayed right now... some feel guilty because they knew of such things happening and did nothing. Surely there are many who were oblivious, however.

The point isn't the people, it's the Head... the Vatican and all the priests that were compliant and silent, and thereby condoning.

[DrDan]

10. I agree with you . . . or a "renounce leaders of the Catholic Church"

but not the religion itself.

[KonaKane]

11. That's better.

[Touchdown]

14. The leader is infallible, thus you cannot renounce him without renouncing the church.

That's the way it works. I didn't make it up. The Catholics did.

[pnwmom]

17. That's a lie. Catholics do NOT believe the Papacy is infallible.

On only two occasions in history has a particular doctrine been declared infallible. A Pope, or the Papacy, has never been declared infallible.

[KonaKane]

18. Don't confuse them with the facts.

They seem to prefer reveling int their bigotry. Ugh.

[DrDan]

21. so renouncing the leader of a church that hides pedophilia is bigotry?

[KonaKane]

24. No, renouncing an entire faith based on the misdeeds of a few is.

Again, it's hard to believe I even need to say this on DU.

[Touchdown]

40. Actually, you do need to say it, because you are using Orwellian misdirection...

"The misdeeds of a few" are not who we are talking about. We are talking about THE LEADER OF THE MOST POWERFUL RELIGION IN THE WORLD. The King of all Catholics. The Leader, who covered up the rape of children, transferred the rapists to another parrish and let them rape again.

I can't believe you have the gall to call the rest of us bigots, when you are defending a man who victimized children, and you say nothing about those children, as if they don't matter.

[KonaKane]

45. "The leader" is not all Catholics.

Therefore condemning an entire religion based on LESS than the acts of a few (one in fact) is a sheer act of bigotry and you should be ashamed of yourself for promoting it.

[Touchdown]

51. This is systematic. This is church wide.

This is world wide. The church has a heirarchy. The church has a governing body. The church has it's own laws. The church has it's leadership caste. That governing body either stood by while atrocities were being made, or actively covered up those atrocities. That governing body flaunted the laws of the land inwhich they were intrusted, and that leadership allowed their parish leaders to betray the trust and faith of the lay people in their spiritual care.

There are catholics, and there is the Church. If you don't understand I am criticizing the church, then you cannot be reasoned with.

I will never be ashamed of condemning an organization that through inaction, protection of perpetrators or cover up, allows the rape and sexual abuse of children to continue for decades (and possibly centuries) all around the world.

[Touchdown]

26. What facts? If your church changes the rules

... then shouldn't you church goers let the rest of us know? Or does keeping us in that dark make it easier for you to play the "Christian victim" card by calling anybody who isn't catholic a "bigot"?

[KonaKane]

28. When did they change the rules?

Also, if you are not Catholic yourself, what do you care of those rules?

[Touchdown]

32. I'd like to know the same thing.

When did these rules change?

Why do I care? because the Church has an influence on every human being living on this planet, whether that influence is great or small. Knowing what's going on with the only religion that is also a sovereign state, and who's leader for life is a former inquisitor and Hitler Youth is just good world citizenship.

[KonaKane]

36. Apparently they changed nothing.

But please, don't let the facts dissuade you. Carry on the hate fest.

[Touchdown]

38. What facts? Who's provided any link to facts?

You and PNW say I'm wrong. But neither of you have provided canonical proof of my ignorance.

And, stop it with the victim talk. I'm not hating anybody. I see that's a nice bone you like to gnaw on with every post, but it loses it's impact the more you rely on it, and it only makes you look more shrill.

[pnwmom]

31. The rules haven't changed. People like you have been ignorant of them all along. n/t

[Touchdown]

35. So tell me where this idea came from.

You do not decry someone's ignorance with no explaination and an "n/t" and expect me to take you, or your faith seriously. ut, your response, I will say, is very catholic.

[KonaKane]

42. Where most bigotry comes from....

A lack of information and intellectual laziness in wanting to find any.

[Touchdown]

46. So get me the facts.

And you... try and get some humanity and have a little empathy for the children who were victimized, instead of defending an organization that systematically covered up their victimization.

[KonaKane]

49. That's your job.

It's not mine to appease your intellectual laziness and propensity for hate.

[Touchdown]

52. I've done my job.

I came to the personal conclusion that God does not exist, and neither does Karma, so I will not waste one more brain cell on fairy tales or their arbitrary, and ever so conviently changing rules. Whatever rules any religion has is not a matter of bigotry, but simply minutae in delusions.

[JuniperLea]

2. There should be a t-shirt!

With Baby Jesus crying...

[Manifestor_of_Light]

5. Big deal. I walked away from Christianity some years ago.

[MajorChode]

6. I'd be cool with a renounce all organized religion challenge

The Catholic church doesn't have a monopoly on diddling kids and covering it up.

[FARAFIELD]

12. Id Love to do a Video to tell you to

Fuck off. Im a Catholic and My Church (St Marys Star of the Sea) In Oceanside CA has done a lot of good in the Years I since I was five. Here's the deal, You arent Catholic (or you wouldnt have said that) so why dont you leave Catholicism to us. The Catholic Churches Response (PULLLEEESE) the response down here on planet earth (at the Parrish Level) has been mighty bad, so Like I said Fuck off and leave the Catholicism to us.

[FiveGoodMen]

39. The RCC pressures members of Congress and threatens excommunication if they don't vote certain ways

So, no, we won't fuck off.

Deal.

[onager]

63. Bill Donahue, is that you?

n/t

[pnwmom]

13. Bigoted flamebait. n/t

[KonaKane]

16. True. Seems to be a trend here, unfortunately.

I'll say this again...incessantly defaming people of faith will not win you any more support.

[pnwmom]

19. You might want to

join me in alerting on this OP.

[KonaKane]

20. I did, thanks.

.

[pnwmom]

22. Maybe all Catholics should decide to renounce the Democratic party instead.

Do you think the Democrats would win many elections if that happened?

[KonaKane]

25. Good point!

:)

[Electric Monk]

27. Right, because harry_pothead is the official spokesman for the Democratic Party

:eyes:

[KonaKane]

29. Seems to be a voice for the anti-religious bigotry so prevalent here

Which I'll remind you, isn't going to win the Democrats any elections nor increase their numbers.

[pnwmom]

30. Of course he isn't, Electric Monk.

But not a day goes by where similar thoughts aren't posted here. There is very little "tolerance" for Catholics on DU.

[ZombieHorde]

41. DU has little tolerance for hate groups. nt

[KonaKane]

43. Unless they are targeting religion.

[ZombieHorde]

47. Which religion targeting hate group is tolerated here on DU? nt

[KonaKane]

50. The adherants of hate like the advocates of this thread.

[ZombieHorde]

53. Are the people who want to see the KKK disband a hate group? nt

[laconicsax]

57. Apparently. n/t

[harry_pothead]

59. How do you know I'm not?

[LAGC]

56. "True" Catholics are conservative Catholics.

They follow the edicts of their Dear Leader and his stances against all abortion, birth control, and homosexuality.

I've never understood why most Catholics vote Democratic when their church leadership is diametrically opposed to so many Democratic ideals.

The only explanation is that most Catholics aren't that deeply into their religion, they aren't "hard-core" like the Catholic posters you see on Freeperville.

Indeed, the more religiously devout one is, the more likely they are to be conservative. That is a fact.

I'm not criticizing those Catholics who do vote Democratic, it just shows that their priorities lie not with the Church's divisive politics but with decency and virtue.

I just think most Catholic Democrats should do the right thing and follow through and leave their faulty church.

I certainly think its counter-productive for Catholic Democrats to donate money to the church, when so much of it gets funneled straight to the Vatican to enforce their right-wing policies...

[Electric Monk]

58. The main reason I wouldn't want to see Catholicism die out is the awesome hats.

[rug]

60. We should have a "Renounce Idiotic Posts" challenge.

[darkstar3]

61. Be careful what you wish you for.

:rofl: at the irony...

[rug]

62. Ah, my first opportunity.

[darkstar3]

66. First? n/t

:rofl:

[DeSwiss]

65. Why stop at just the one religion???

- As long as the germs of religious-delusional mental illness remain, there's always a statistical probability for reinfection.