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darkstar3
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Sun Apr-04-10 12:04 AM Original message |
An attempt at explanation... |
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daleanime
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Sun Apr-04-10 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. So there is no such thing as ignorance.... |
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darkstar3
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Sun Apr-04-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. In order: |
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daleanime
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Sun Apr-04-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Sorry. up too late.... |
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Iggo
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Sun Apr-04-10 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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iris27
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Sun Apr-04-10 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. Well, "a-theism" IS the absence of theism...that's all the word means, no more, no less. |
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darkstar3
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Sun Apr-04-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. This PSA was brought to you by common sense. |
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EvolveOrConvolve
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Sun Apr-04-10 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
7. Stop bashing the religious with your logic! You're a bigot! |
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Jim__
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Sun Apr-04-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. "There is no such thing as darkness. There is only light, and the absence of light." Really? |
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beam me up scottie
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Sun Apr-04-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. whooooooooooooooooooooosh! |
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darkstar3
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Sun Apr-04-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Is dark really dark? |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. The point being that your claim is wrong. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Take a physics class and study optics. |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I have studied optics. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. If darkness exists separately from light, |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I've already told you. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Wow, weak tea... |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Language is hardly "weak tea." |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. You're gonna have to pony up the proof on that one, |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Funny, you were in the middle of that discussion and did not express any surprise at the time. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. "People pray" |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I also point out that you have to consider context. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Oh please... |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. The poster said that atheists fall into "magical thinking" all the time. |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
71. Well, first, that poster doesn't speak for all or even most atheists. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Apr-06-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
105. He's totally misrepresenting what I was arguing. |
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beam me up scottie
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Tue Apr-06-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Like the "No Atheists in Foxholes" meme. |
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darkstar3
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Tue Apr-06-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Sounds like confirmation bias. |
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iris27
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Tue Apr-06-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Even having not read the other thread, it was pretty obvious that he was twisting some things. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Apr-06-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #57 |
93. Who said "atheists" fall into magic thinking all the time? |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Well, I'm an atheist who doesn't pray. Not even when I don't know what else to do. |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. So am I - as stated in that thread. |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. But you are using these people's ingrained vestiges of religious upbringing to try to suggest |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I'm basing my claim on what some atheists have told me. |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Do you deny someone's right to call themselves a theist |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. No. Nor do I deny anyone the right to call themself an atheist. |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. But you are using that claim to say that the OP's definition of |
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beam me up scottie
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Mon Apr-05-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. You're not agnostic. You are a closet scientologist who believes fairies live in your garden. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Apr-06-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #58 |
94. You're being deeply dishonest.. |
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Jim__
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Tue Apr-06-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. I'm being completely honest - see post #97 for more details. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Now you accuse me of sloppiness when you can't even show the hallmarks of the existence of darkness. |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. The imprecise nature of the English language? What was the OP about? |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. So, no, |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. So, the OP wasn't about the casual use of English? So, the terms you were using don't really ... |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Actually, no, it wasn't about casual use of English, |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. So, it wasn't about the use of language on DU. - n/t |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. And that changes what, exactly? n/t |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. It changes my understanding of why it was posted on DU. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. So since I won't play your semantic game the OP is pointless? |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. The semantic game is not mine. The OP concerns semantics. |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I'm guessing the game he doesn't want to play is the one where |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Nice try. |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Please. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. So, restating your hypothesis as a supporting fact is a way to debate now? |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Name calling is both a weak attempt at argument and childish. - n/t |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. We know silence when a frequency counter picks up no pressure waves traveling |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Apr-06-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #46 |
92. Who said atheists frequently pray? |
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Jim__
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Tue Apr-06-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. You said atheists pray. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Apr-06-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. 'By 'we' I meant we humans. ; |
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darkstar3
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Tue Apr-06-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. I said "oh god" last night |
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beam me up scottie
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Tue Apr-06-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Just shut up and let other people tell you what you believe. |
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Jim__
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Tue Apr-06-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Please. The whole discussion was about an atheist praying. |
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BurtWorm
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Tue Apr-06-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. You said "It sounds like they're not very convinced of their atheism" |
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Jim__
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Wed Apr-07-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #102 |
111. I also said, "if some atheists fall into magical thinking "all the time," " |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Apr-07-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Are you arguing for a category of half-assed belief? |
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Jim__
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Wed Apr-07-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I am arguing that the world more complex than black and white. |
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iris27
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Wed Apr-07-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. And conversely, theism is not a complete absence of atheism? |
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Jim__
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Wed Apr-07-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. It's hardly "nitpicky." |
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iris27
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Wed Apr-07-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. 1984? Hyperbolic much? |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Apr-07-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. A religious "practice" is not theism, is it? |
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Jim__
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Wed Apr-07-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. It is an indication that there is not a complete lack of belief. |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Apr-07-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Do you believe in God? |
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Jim__
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Wed Apr-07-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. No. |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Apr-07-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. My answer: no. |
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Jim__
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Wed Apr-07-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. "sort of" or "sometimes" is an acceptable answer to me. - n/t |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Apr-07-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. To me those answers need further investigation. |
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Jim__
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Wed Apr-07-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. That's fine. |
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BurtWorm
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Wed Apr-07-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. I'm interested in what they say about their beliefs. |
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darkstar3
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Wed Apr-07-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. And the "Ironic Post of the Day Award" goes to... |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Good grief, Jim. Human tendency to pick a point on a scale |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Your claim is just plain wrong. |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. What I'm saying that casual language use and scientific measurement |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. And what is the OP about? Appears to me it is about casual language use. - n/t |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
70. No, it's not. |
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darkstar3
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Mon Apr-05-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Well put. |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Casual language is what is used on DU. |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. But you are trying to make casual language into a formal definition. |
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Jim__
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Mon Apr-05-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No, I'm not. I'm merely denying the accuracy of the definitions given in the OP. - n/t |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. You are denying the accuracy of a posited formal definition using casual language |
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omega minimo
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Sun Apr-04-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
10. your premise depends on |
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Silent3
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Sun Apr-04-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. So is this post an example of your great tolerance... |
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beam me up scottie
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Sun Apr-04-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. "A stupid man's report... |
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omega minimo
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Sun Apr-04-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Your "clever man" is using metaphor |
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omega minimo
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Sun Apr-04-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. So that post is an example of your viciousness in response to nothing at all |
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beam me up scottie
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Sun Apr-04-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
11. Good on you. |
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rrneck
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Sun Apr-04-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
13. There is no such thing as team spirit |
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omega minimo
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Sun Apr-04-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Rather |
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rrneck
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Sun Apr-04-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I think the OP works as an analogy. |
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omega minimo
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Sun Apr-04-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. I just reread it |
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rrneck
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Sun Apr-04-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I think that we |
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omega minimo
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Sun Apr-04-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Are you sure? |
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rrneck
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Mon Apr-05-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Good point. |
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Silent3
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Sun Apr-04-10 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
15. I once wrote a poem inspired, in part, by the idea that coldness... |
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beam me up scottie
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Sun Apr-04-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Wasn't poetry with your soul when it was sucked out of you? |
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rug
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Sun Apr-04-10 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
20. The prefix a means without. An atheist is simply someone without god. |
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beam me up scottie
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Sun Apr-04-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. That would be a "strong" or "explicit" atheist. |
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rrneck
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Sun Apr-04-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Other examples |
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rug
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Sun Apr-04-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Why does the prefix go from unconcerned to denial? |
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rrneck
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Sun Apr-04-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Can you be more explicit? nt |
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rrneck
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Sun Apr-04-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. If you're unwilling to expound |
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rug
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Sun Apr-04-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I see making leaps is a habit of yours. |
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rrneck
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Sun Apr-04-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Oh hi, there you are. |
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rrneck
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Sun Apr-04-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Still can't fess up? nt |
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trotsky
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Mon Apr-05-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. That one is far more worried about uppity atheists on the Internet... |
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rrneck
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Mon Apr-05-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. The funny thing is I really don't know what he was trying to say. |
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rug
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Mon Apr-05-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
89. I believe you just responded to one. |
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rrneck
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. ... |
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iris27
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. This whole subthread has been greatly amusing to watch. |
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Mon Apr-05-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Or perhaps just a little busy |
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rrneck
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Mon Apr-05-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Could be. But see post #27. |
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darkstar3
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Sun Apr-04-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. "nonexistent" n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Mon Apr-05-10 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
75. There is only people who believe in the easter bunny, and people who lack belief in the easter bunny |
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gcomeau
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Tue Apr-06-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
95. Since atheism is DEFINED as "the absence of theism"... |
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darkstar3
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Tue Apr-06-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Well, thanks for that marvelous insight. |
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beam me up scottie
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Tue Apr-06-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. It's like Whack-a-Mole in here lately. |
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gcomeau
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Tue Apr-06-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
109. Hmmm. The person who tried to define atheism out of existence... |
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darkstar3
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Tue Apr-06-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. "Why are you casting magic missle? There's nothing to attack. |
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