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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:32 AM Original message |
Religion is attempting to rewrite history as it happens. Where are the "moderates" crying foul? |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. non-believers just believe in something else |
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xfundy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Reality? |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Reality |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I was thinking more along the lines of truth and facts |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. That a belief? |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Do you believe in truths and facts?? |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Maybe I am reading post #1 wrong but, |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. There are all kinds of levels in the belief in god(s) |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. See post #22 and #5 |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Truth and facts do not need to be believed in. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. No, but I do accept as true, facts that are supported by evidence. |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. What would that be? eom |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. See reply #9 |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Such as? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. That's outside the scope of the OP. nt |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
62. Really? Would you like to tell me what exactly I believe or don't beleive |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. Outrage because Hasidim are predjudiced against women? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Perhaps you missed this part: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. So you want people who believe in any religion |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Are you really trying to equate a lack of belief with an organized religious structure? |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Shit! is that sound reasoning and logic? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Of course not. You don't need an organized structure |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Really? This I gotta see! |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. "Why waste the energy. Nothing will change them." |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
15. Responding to atheists about whether beliefs are worthy of respect. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. There is no need to challenge nonbelievers. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. But not polite enough to reply with much else but insult. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
16. I doubt Tzitung had much effect, given the size of the NY media market, since the |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. It has limited circulation, so it doesn't matter? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I try to maintain a sense of proportion. Tzitung has a circulation that's not even 0.1% |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You make a good point, but it is irrelevant to the OP and the point being made. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Write to the paper and threaten to cancel your subscription. Nobody forces you to read it. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. So you are continuing to choose NOT to discuss the point being made? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. It's his "take." n/t |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
56. Yer a tad bit slow on th'draw thar, pard: hundreds of papers denounced Tzitung's edit a week before |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. You seem to be having a speech problem. You ok? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. I assume their circ is much less than the Jewish Daily Forward, for instance. |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Correct. They are required by their religion to portray no women. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
31. "Few organisations advocate sheer intolerance and prejudice as effectively as religion." |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Funny thing is, I wondered whether you would respond or not, and if you would stay on topic |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. When an atheist is making such a statement, it is a very valid point, |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Dance, dance, dance......dancing machine! |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. to the same tired song you keep playin' over and over and over and |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Yeah, because HE'S the one spinnin' that old record. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Its funny to watch it try and turn the attention away from itself. It thinks its being clever. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. I'm glad you agree. nt |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. When a disciple of Richard Dawkins knocks on my door and shoves atheist tracts in my face... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Are lots of hasidim knocking at your door trying to convert you? |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Nope, just Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses mainly. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Historically, when atheists come to the door it's in the middle of the night |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Good thing I keep a gun under the pillow. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. I don't visit people in the middle of the night, |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Actually, I thought it was quite apropos, since we are in the mood |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Boo! |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. May we see this "study", |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:25 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Wow. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
65. Wow, you are really losing it. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Speaking of needing help. I am not the one |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. No, you are just the one one who spends his entire free time making asinine comments |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
67. Hello again, Mr. Wolf |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
35. The Hasidics are a fucking cult and a misogynistic hate group. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Read: religious sect. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Whats the difference between a cult and a religion? |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
44. At least on here, we cried foul |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Hmm, maybe I'm not seeing what you are seeing. |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Not in this thread per se, but others I saw |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I guess I must have missed it then. |
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KaoriMitsubishi (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
60. "...whose religious sensibilities are seemingly too delicate..." |
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