Cuomo Catholicism

[rug]

The tensions between the two Cuomos and the archbishops of New York poignantly exemplify the growing disarray of the Catholic church in America.

Mario, the father and former governor, incurred the wrath of Cardinal O'Connor by backing women's right to choose abortion (while rejecting it personally) and now his son and successor, Andrew, has irked Archbishop Dolan by managing to win approval for gay marriage.

Dolan campaigned vigorously against passage of the measure by the state legislature and reacted bitterly to the end result, warning that gay marriage set New York on the path to moral calamity.

Not many decades ago, New York politicians would have gone to the archbishop, hat in hand, eager to please and loath to alienate the chancery over any such policy. As head of America's most prominent archdiocese, the archbishop bore the marks of traditional hierarch -- religious and secular -- that elevated him to a titular supremacy of the city's Christians.

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/cuomo-catholicism

[patrice]

1. Many Catholics raised in the '60s were (parochial) schooled that they MUST decide right and wrong

for themselves, probably a reaction to the War on Viet Nam and our Civil Rights struggle here in America. We were also oriented on Catholic maturity by means of Vatican II. We're still here, though many, such as myself, are Fallen Catholics, because I no longer recognize my church, especially in its hypocrisy about what authentic Pro Life values are. REAL Pro-Lifers would be the opposite of most of what passes for "Pro-Life" now, especially the churches SIGNIFICANT support for the Invasion & Occupation of Iraq, which violence resulted in the deaths of 100s of thousands of INNOCENT people, including what had to have been at least 50K children & babies.

WAR IS ABORTION ON A MASSIVE SCALE

- not only in the present but well into most future generations.

[LeftishBrit]

2. Cuomo sounds like a good governor- as, I understand, was his father

I note the first reader's comment on the article:

'So today's Catholics believe Jesus approved of gay sex and marriage? Gee, I wonder why the gospels say exactly the opposite?'

I may be wrong, but so far as I know, the Gospels say nothing about this particular issue, one way or another. There are bits elsewhere in the Bible that do - but there are also bits elsewhere in the Bible that could be taken as implying that marriage is between a man and his 700 wives and 300 concubines.

[okasha]

5. There's actually a tantalizing bit

in which Jesus heals a Centurion's "beloved youth" and goes on to praise the soldier's great faith.

[patrice]

3. something wrong with that link?

[rug]

4. Hmm, I think the site has a problem.

I reposted the link, nothing. Went to the saved page, clicked on another section, same problem. It's from the National Catholic Reporter, June 29, 2011. Should be back up soon.

[patrice]

7. K, will check later. I could just run down there and talk to them, but it's so hot here and

I'm broke, so no going out.

Love NCR, one of the few honest voices left in "the church".

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

6. Less listening to what clergymen say = more freedom.

Sweet. :thumbsup:

[rug]

8. You have it wrong. People are listening more, reflecting more, speaking more.

Unless you assume Catholics are aging dogs with a hearing loss.

I assume you don't. I may be wrong.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

10. So, were the Cuomos wrong in disregarding the clerics' admonitions?

In my opinion, such disregard begat good things. The events depicted in the OP make that clear.

From the article:

The Cuomos, meanwhile, have joined a growing movement among lay Catholics to consider their own counsel on moral matters while retaining their identity as Catholics, refusing to label themselves as outcasts.

If that isn't "listening less to clerics", I don't know what is.

[rug]

11. They didn't disregard what was being said. But they did "consider their own counsel" as well.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. So Governor Cuomo did not disregard Archbishop Dolan's advice about gay marriage.

If he did disregard it, how would it look like?

[westerebus]

9. The 60's into the 70's.

Father Pat spend as much time as he could protesting the VN war and marching for civil rights, He was often arrested and locked up and on occasion beat up during those years of protesting. We had a special collection that went to help fund his calling, its official name was the American Mission's Fund. We called it the Father Pat bailout fund.

Several of the nuns I had in high school marched with Martin Luther King. Sociology and current events classes were much more radical back in those days. Some kids would be excused as their parents weren't into the communist pinko subversion that was discussed. They got a study period to do their homework in.

A simple prayer by the Sister's was that the nation's leaders end the suffering of poor. The response was amen.

I didn't learn social justice at home, I learned to live it by the example set by the Sister's and Father Pat.

It wasn't until after serving in VN that I realized what social justice was all about.

Which is about the same time I left the Roman Church. Funny how that worked out.