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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 03:55 PM Original message |
How can an atheist discussion religion with theists and not piss them off |
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rd_kent
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Thu Dec-15-05 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's impossible not to make them mad. |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I, too, am afraid that is the case |
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manic expression
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. To be fair, |
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beam me up scottie
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You mean like believers do when told they have a mind virus? |
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manic expression
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Perhaps |
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beam me up scottie
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Being insulted is not "unnecessarily angered". |
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manic expression
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I do think |
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beam me up scottie
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Right. |
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manic expression
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Fri Dec-16-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
121. Unfortunately, no n/t |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 03:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
79. Wow, you are nuts |
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manic expression
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Fri Dec-16-05 11:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
122. self delete n/t |
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Goblinmonger
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Fri Dec-16-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #55 |
85. I think the problem with that approach |
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Fri Dec-16-05 07:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
101. That's fair |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 07:51 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. No |
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manic expression
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Fri Dec-16-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. You are wrong |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Twisted |
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manic expression
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Fri Dec-16-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Wow |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 09:13 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. It's the same... |
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manic expression
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Fri Dec-16-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. I've provided many an argument |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. No |
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manic expression
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Fri Dec-16-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. .... |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Thank you |
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manic expression
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Fri Dec-16-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. ...... |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 11:21 PM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Yes |
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manic expression
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Sat Dec-17-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #124 |
137. That's too bad n/t |
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CGrantt57
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. RE: How can an atheist... |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. I seems to me that some of your comments |
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CGrantt57
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Thu Dec-15-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Religion and Faith |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. The irony of your knee-jerk |
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immoderate
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Consider. |
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CGrantt57
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Fri Dec-16-05 06:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
82. Parent-teacher conferences... |
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Goblinmonger
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Fri Dec-16-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I have absolutely no problem with your post |
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Selatius
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Well, tolerance is the only real solution |
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Dr.Phool
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. There is the misconception. |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. You're going to get some arguments there |
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Dr.Phool
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. But, the 2nd rule of logic states that the burden of proof |
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Selatius
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Thu Dec-15-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Wouldn't that make you an Agnostic? |
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immoderate
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. "You cannot prove a negative" |
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azmouse
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. There probably is no way for some people. |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. Disclaimer: I am NOT accusing you of this; just running something by you |
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longship
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Not exactly sure. |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. I fixed it a little bit |
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longship
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Fri Dec-16-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
94. As an atheist myself |
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Karmageddon
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. I simply calmly tell them that I don't believe in a supreme being..... |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. Being an atheist, I wasn't trying to exclude us |
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Speck Tater
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
8. First and foremost... |
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papau
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. well said :-) |
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trotsky
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Thu Dec-15-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. When entering into a political discussion, |
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Zenlitened
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Fri Dec-16-05 07:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
105. "...we are better off advocating from a position of reason." |
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Bellamia
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
9. Why further discussion? |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. I am not saying this is a discussion with freepers |
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SkiGuy
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
11. Start by not calling me an idiot |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I don't think I have ever seen that |
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SkiGuy
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. it's implied often |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. I will fully cop to the fact |
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Hello_Kitty
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
13. To hardcore believers |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Funny, isn't it. |
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Don Claybrook
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. You can't get a single, good answer on this |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. I like your framework. |
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Ezlivin
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
16. Avoid the discussion altogether |
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Dr.Phool
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I agree with you. |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
19. As an atheist who nearly became a minister... three times.... |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. I like that you bring up debating skills |
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TechBear_Seattle
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Fri Dec-16-05 09:22 AM Response to Reply #37 |
84. Many atheists aren't any better at logical debate |
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DaveColorado
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
20. It depends |
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nemo137
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
23. A lack of belittling would be nice. |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. OK, the first example is pretty harsh |
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nemo137
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Sat Dec-17-05 02:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
127. I severely doubt that anyone would say that you can't |
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Goblinmonger
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Sat Dec-17-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #127 |
133. Let me give you a couple examples |
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nemo137
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Mon Dec-19-05 02:11 AM Response to Reply #133 |
156. that makes some sense. |
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hunter
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Thu Dec-15-05 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
24. It's simple. Don't piss them off. And don't get pissed off. |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. If only it were that simple. |
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hunter
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Thu Dec-15-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Don't go flashing unsuspecting folks with your atheism. |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 08:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Does that advice go both ways? |
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hunter
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. I try to meet people where they are. |
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WhollyHeretic
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. "something broken in their own upbringing" |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. There, you get it now. |
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WhollyHeretic
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You're really impressed with yourself, huh? |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 01:20 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. But I'm not pissed off. |
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beam me up scottie
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Fri Dec-16-05 01:27 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. You insulted atheists and you know it. |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 03:08 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Have you read my posts in the other R/T threads? |
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WhollyHeretic
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Fri Dec-16-05 07:09 AM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Pretty much the entire thing. |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. I'm curious... |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Don't call atheism a faith please |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. I could write it a different way. |
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WhollyHeretic
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Fri Dec-16-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. "run into someone who doesn't put up with your hit-and-run behavior" |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. The "fairy tale" quote of yours was on another thread. |
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WhollyHeretic
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Fri Dec-16-05 08:55 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. How is that setting up a straw-man? |
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beam me up scottie
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Sat Dec-17-05 06:04 AM Response to Reply #77 |
130. What did you expect? |
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NMMNG
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Fri Dec-16-05 02:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
76. You, like Bo, don't know diddly |
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Zenlitened
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Fri Dec-16-05 08:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
108. "... it's something broken in religion." |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 10:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. And then you move beyond that... |
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Zenlitened
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Fri Dec-16-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Is this the "brain in a vat" line of argument? |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 10:50 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Not at all. |
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Zenlitened
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Fri Dec-16-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Well, I don't think the shortcomings of the human eye... |
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hunter
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Sat Dec-17-05 03:03 AM Response to Reply #123 |
128. It's not a shortcoming of the optics, it's a shortcoming of the processing |
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Zenlitened
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Sat Dec-17-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. And yet in all of these cases... |
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hunter
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Sat Dec-17-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. Perhaps it is a matter of convergent evolution... |
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Sat Dec-17-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Atheists aren't "attacking" religions. |
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Zenlitened
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Sat Dec-17-05 08:38 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. It's probably true that the ethical systems that result... |
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hunter
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Sun Dec-18-05 04:11 AM Response to Reply #141 |
144. What God wants... |
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Zenlitened
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Mon Dec-19-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #144 |
157. That's good to hear. - n/t |
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InaneAnanity
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Thu Dec-15-05 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
27. Let them live in their world |
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immoderate
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Thu Dec-15-05 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
41. Why else would an atheist discuss religion with a theist.... |
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Goblinmonger
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Thu Dec-15-05 09:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Because I am depressed |
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immoderate
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Thu Dec-15-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Warning!: I never use the "sarcasm" smilie. |
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beam me up scottie
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Wow. |
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immoderate
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Nothing you didn't know! |
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beam me up scottie
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Glad to be back! |
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immoderate
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I bet you look good in it! |
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beam me up scottie
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I'm blushing. |
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Goblinmonger
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Fri Dec-16-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #45 |
86. I think that after this thread |
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immoderate
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Togas are very comfortable. |
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beam me up scottie
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I thought that was where you were going with this. |
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immoderate
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Thu Dec-15-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. You got part of it right. |
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tammywammy
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
63. I can only speak for myself |
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beam me up scottie
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Your cat looks like one of mine. |
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tammywammy
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:31 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Mine is |
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beam me up scottie
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:45 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. That describes Cecil the sea monster perfectly. |
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tammywammy
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Well, |
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beam me up scottie
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Fri Dec-16-05 01:14 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You said it. |
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tammywammy
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Fri Dec-16-05 01:38 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Thanks for the link |
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beam me up scottie
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Fri Dec-16-05 01:53 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. The atheists I know, and I include myself of course, |
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catabryna
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Fri Dec-16-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Beautifully written! |
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jonnyblitz
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. see, there is the problem..our belief alone, even unstated, |
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catabryna
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Not so in my book... |
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jonnyblitz
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Fri Dec-16-05 01:17 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. thanks for the clarification...sorry if i missed details... |
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catabryna
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Fri Dec-16-05 06:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Tis' quite alright. |
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beam me up scottie
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Sat Dec-17-05 05:53 AM Response to Reply #88 |
129. Thank you. |
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catabryna
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Sun Dec-18-05 09:14 AM Response to Reply #129 |
145. You're welcome... |
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FM Arouet666
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Fri Dec-16-05 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
74. Believe in god ya damn pagan....... |
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InaneAnanity
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Fri Dec-16-05 03:18 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. BINGO |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 04:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Deleted Dupe |
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hunter
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Fri Dec-16-05 04:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
81. You rant against the dumbed-down Bible. |
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immoderate
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Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
93. A really good point. The bible makes good points. |
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FM Arouet666
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Sat Dec-17-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #81 |
126. I am forced to wonder..... |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Sat Dec-17-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #126 |
132. Fundies hate liberal Christians almost as much as they hate atheists |
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beam me up scottie
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Sat Dec-17-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. What a ridiculous thing to say. |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Sat Dec-17-05 11:32 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. I don't see them trying to ACTUALLY kick atheists out either |
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beam me up scottie
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Sat Dec-17-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. What do you think this friendly reminder is all about then? |
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hunter
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Tue Dec-20-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #126 |
164. As a left wing Catholic and environmental activist, I'm on the short list. |
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freestyle
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Fri Dec-16-05 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
96. Disagree without being disagreeable. This works both ways. |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Fri Dec-16-05 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
100. It depends what your objectives are. |
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Zenlitened
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Fri Dec-16-05 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
103. Discuss religion, or discuss separation of church and state? |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Fri Dec-16-05 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
125. Basically, if you talk about religious people the way freepers talk about |
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Goblinmonger
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Sat Dec-17-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #125 |
134. This thread, including your posts, talk a lot about perspective |
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Sat Dec-17-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Let's bring this down to a more mundane level for a second |
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Goblinmonger
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Sat Dec-17-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Valid point |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Sun Dec-18-05 03:36 PM Response to Reply #136 |
146. Your sibling is married to the sibling of your slovenly s.o. |
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Sun Dec-18-05 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
147. One way would be not to mock, ridicule and belittle the beliefs of theists |
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Sun Dec-18-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. Is that the thread where you questioned the morals of atheists? |
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Sun Dec-18-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Yes, I do think context makes a difference |
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Sun Dec-18-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Maybe that's why I used it to illustrate the importance of context. |
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Sun Dec-18-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. Now I get it. |
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Sun Dec-18-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. I was hoping you'd say that. |
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Mon Dec-19-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #152 |
158. debate? |
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Tue Dec-20-05 02:57 AM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Great post, Brentos. |
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Tue Dec-20-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. Thanks Beam! |
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Thu Dec-22-05 03:25 AM Response to Reply #158 |
171. Flying Spaghetti Monster is insulting? |
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InaneAnanity
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Sun Dec-18-05 10:03 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Well, your assumption that... |
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Zebedeo
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Sun Dec-18-05 10:59 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. My friend, I didn't say that. |
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Mon Dec-19-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #154 |
155. All I said was |
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Mon Dec-19-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #155 |
159. Now this is an interesting theist/atheist discussion! |
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Zebedeo
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Mon Dec-19-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. I'm game |
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Tue Dec-20-05 09:36 AM Response to Reply #160 |
162. I will |
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Wed Dec-21-05 10:30 AM Response to Reply #162 |
168. I was a little worried about this thread |
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Wed Dec-21-05 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
165. R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Say it the way you'd say it to your boss. |
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Wed Dec-21-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. I'm my own boss |
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Thu Dec-22-05 03:21 AM Response to Reply #166 |
170. But you, of course, are Inane. |
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Wed Dec-21-05 10:28 AM Response to Reply #165 |
167. What if my boss is also an atheist? |
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Thu Dec-22-05 03:20 AM Response to Reply #167 |
169. If your boss were an atheist, the OP's question would be irrelevant. |
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Thu Dec-22-05 09:44 AM Response to Reply #169 |
172. I am the OP |
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Thu Dec-22-05 10:34 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. It isn't what you say, it is how you say it. |
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Thu Dec-22-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. I'm up for a good argument, too |
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Fri Dec-23-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. One of them did. |
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Thu Dec-22-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. Precisely. WRT the OP's question, I guess we are not responsible for |
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Sat Dec-24-05 05:02 AM Response to Original message |
177. realize that most religious belief is based on experience. |
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Sat Dec-24-05 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
178. I don't think we can. |
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Thu Dec-29-05 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
179. Why do you want to? Proselytizing for atheism? |
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Thu Dec-29-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. Puh-leeze. Atheists don't "convert" others. |
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Fri Dec-30-05 04:49 AM Response to Reply #180 |
183. Who are you talking to? |
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Sat Dec-31-05 06:00 AM Response to Reply #183 |
200. No, things "suck so bad" because of religious fundamentalism. |
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Thu Dec-29-05 10:19 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. I can 100% guarantee you that if you are a theist |
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Fri Dec-30-05 04:48 AM Response to Reply #181 |
182. No, I am in fact not a theist. |
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Fri Dec-30-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. So you are an atheist |
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Fri Dec-30-05 07:44 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Depends on your definition - I'm not really too concerned with labels. |
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InaneAnanity
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #185 |
190. I can respect a person... |
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #190 |
193. No you can't. |
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:42 AM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Yes there is |
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Sat Dec-31-05 08:41 AM Response to Reply #182 |
201. Right. I had to get my hip waders before I read another one of your posts. |
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Fri Dec-30-05 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
186. Ask them questions that enable you to present problems with their beliefs |
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Fri Dec-30-05 11:55 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. Why challenge their beliefs? |
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InaneAnanity
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #187 |
188. Because religion is ruining the world |
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #188 |
191. Explain this to me. |
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:40 AM Response to Reply #191 |
194. I'll answer your last wuestion first |
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Sat Dec-31-05 01:00 AM Response to Reply #194 |
197. You're last paragraph: |
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Sat Dec-31-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #197 |
199. Well, as I've stated |
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Sat Dec-31-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #199 |
202. I guess I don't agree on this point: |
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Their beliefs are destructive to society and they strive to force |
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:33 AM Response to Reply #189 |
192. I stopped reading here: |
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Sat Dec-31-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #192 |
196. they is "Evangelicals". That is the definition of "evangelical". |
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Sat Dec-31-05 01:02 AM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Here's an analogy I just thought up |
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Sat Dec-31-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #196 |
203. No one argues with that. |
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Sun Jan-01-06 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
204. Very simply... |
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