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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:12 AM Original message |
Has anyone ever devised a test to prove that there is power in prayer? |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yes. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 08:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Most of those studies have since been debunked. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Plus, an omnipotent god would invalidate all possible empirical studies |
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seattlemetal (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. I have.. |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That is what I'd expect, thanks. |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
3. A Godoff? |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You seem to contradict the old saw "God moves in mysterious ways". |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. You have a good point. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Oh brother... |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. fine. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. A strong reaction to ignorance, yes. |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Im just being technical |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Welcome to DU! |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Thanks, enjoying it here. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. You're welcome. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-12-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
66. "NOBODY ever changes their mind." |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 03:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. When ever someone claims that something exists in all cases that |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. This is true, except that Im not debating |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Nonsense. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-12-06 01:50 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. "seals go better with coke" |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Any religion, including atheism? |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I thought that was agnostic |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 02:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
59. I would have to disagree |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-12-06 01:53 AM Response to Reply #59 |
69. Some mighty LOUD crickets, eh? |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #28 |
60. Could you be more off the mark? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. "butt holes of some giant farting monster" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-12-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
68. Agnostic literally means "without knowledge". |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. What is "God"? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. "This is true of any religion, including Atheism." |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. LOL |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
62. And another example |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-12-06 01:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
65. Your definition of atheism is wrong, and I think you know that. |
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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Oh puleeeze! |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. You and I think somewhat alike |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. My mother encouraged me to marry a young female preacher about 60. |
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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. I know |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I know that the fundies (and some liberal xians) insist we don't/can't |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
7. I always chuckle at people |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. Larry Dossey, M.D. . . . |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Oh yeah, the bacteria experiments. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. All theist are liars anyway-and if they did not say that there were 1000's |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 08:31 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Of course, I didn't say that. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Your URL site and your argument say it - why do you deny? - I thought |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. You know, sometimes "the atheist crowd" DOES know better. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Try again - the basis for saying studies with negative results have been |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. papau, please get ahold of yourself. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. all theists are liars IF THEY SAY that which helps a theist argument |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. You are making huge sweeping statements |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Here is your counter-example- please explain why you think it is a counter |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Uh, papau, it's not sniffa's post. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. LOL - enjoy your self esteem boost is that is what you get out of our |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I am sorry you still have not learned how to treat others with respect. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-12-06 02:00 AM Response to Reply #51 |
71. Perhaps, then, you should stop trying to bully trotsky with your lies. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-12-06 01:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
70. Nicely done. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
17. Praying makes some people very much stronger. Stronger people |
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Karmakaze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 06:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. LOL |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:57 AM Response to Original message |
18. The little quiet voice at the bottom of the page |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. God loves us...for entertainment value. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. hehe, a good one! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
24. Yes, and American taxpayers are funding it |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
34. Religion is what keeps the poor from eating the rich. tmfun nailed it. |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. Yes, no effect whatsoever |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
37. Columbia and Mayo |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. I suspect that women have several ways to thwart pregnancy. |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-10-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That doesn't apply in this case |
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hvn_nbr_2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
38. A summary of all such studies and their critiques |
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MikeH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
39. C. S. Lewis's thoughts on the matter |
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grumpy old fart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Well, that's one excuse.....n/t |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Lewis is getting to the heart of the matter... |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
43. You confuse "power" of prayer with a deity answering them |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-11-06 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
64. Many have been devised. |
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