Big Brown by many.

[Justpat]

No contest.

[RL3AO]

1. This might be the year.

[TZ]

2. Wow. In 20+ years of watching the TC...

I don't think I've seen a horse win BOTH the Kentucky Derby and Preakness is such a dominant fashion. And did you see him AFTER the race? Ears up, tossing his head? He still was raring to go! I think he might just win the Belmont too.

[Justpat]

4. Yeah, I don't think Casino Drive will knock him off.

This horse is too dominant.

[aaronbees]

22. I don't think so either but....

I think Casino Drive's last Beyer is still on par with BB's Preakness figure. I give Casino and Denis of Cork very very slim outside chances .... but I think it's clear Big Brown really hasn't been asked for his best yet. I'd love to see that happen.

[two gun sid]

3. Wow. He was awesome.

[Justpat]

5. Did you see the aerial shot of when he took off inside the quarter pole?

He ran away from the field like a quarter horse breaking from the gate.

[trumad]

6. Holy Moly....

I think he might run alone in the Belmont....

[Justpat]

7. I don't see anyone coming for the Belmont except Casino Drive.

And it wouldn't surprise me if Casino Drive came up with a cough at the last minute

[two gun sid]

8. Oh yes, I saw that...

he's unbelievable.

[TZ]

9. I just saw that

Impressive. As they said..he only ran for about a 1/16th of a mile..He was loping along the rest of the time. Also I notice that BB seemed to turn his head a couple of times to see where the other horses were..which means he STILL wasn't going full out.

[aaronbees]

13. That was incredible

Someone said the race was over on the backside, and that's absolutely true. From there, he just cruised, turned on the gas as they entered the stretch to separate and just about cantered home.

I wish I felt enthused about him. But I will admit he's an incredible freak. Can't see anyone close to Big Brown in the Belmont. He's got tons of run in him.

[a kennedy]

10. Oh my gawd!!! I think he might do it.....

he's beautiful too.....didn't really notice his coloring before.....he just might do it. Oh, and, not that I'm a huge nascar racing fan, but, the old #88 race car before the "junior" took the number, was the UPS car driven by Dale Jarrett, a friend of Brett Favre, and I'm a huge Brett Favre, Packer fan. I have an autographed picture from Dale Jarrett saying "To Colleen, the biggest Packer fan" He didn't know me, a friend got him to write that, but he did, and he drove for UPS, and Big Brown won two of the biggest horse races for UPS, and dang it, I think he can do it, I think Big Brown could win the triple crown!!! and I'm still just sick over Eight Bells.

[two gun sid]

11. And IEAH has signed a stud deal with...

Three Chimneys worth $50M today. Fuckers. I hate them.

[Awsi Dooger]

12. Great horse but the worst classic field I've ever seen

Absolutely ridiculous. Like I told my dad an hour before the race, they weren't really horses, just names.

I had hoped the bloated size of the field would artificially shove the price upward on Big Brown, to the point it was playable at maybe 3/5. No such luck.

This forum has enlightened me regarding the trainer. And I always hate the late bloomer aspect, showing up without going through the stage by stage challenges. An undefeated horse is one I'll always root against, as a fan of Seattle Slew. Big Brown's name is the worst ever.

But minus those variables, it's hard not to like Big Brown, based on everything he's done on the track. This is precisely the reason you don't want fish horses like Real Quiet or Charismatic or even Smarty Jones to win the Triple Crown.

I hope we have some gutsy competitors at Belmont. And high caliber opponents, not like the sand I dump in my divots. That what the field reminded me of today.

[Justpat]

14. For what it is worth,

my husband says that Dutrow, no matter what his personal problems are, happens to be
an exceptional horseman.

His dad was too. His father was one of the leading trainers on MD circuit for decades
and was respected by everyone. So he comes by his training abilities naturally.

He has been a major asshole in the past but you can't hold that against the horse.

Big Brown has overcome his name, his trainer's shady past and his owners greed.
He is a good horse.

[two gun sid]

15. Big Brown is a very good horse...

and Dutrow can train a little bit. But that bastard needs to be banned for the rest of his life. He's been given chance after chance and still he comes back and shits in his own nest. And he shits on everyone else, too. His statements about Winstrol, other trainers cheating and his own long rap sheet are a slap in the face to everyone that loves racing. How fucking stupid does that con-man think we all are? He needs to be away from horses and in a program for pathological liars and psychopaths. Racing just ain't fun for him unless he can cheat and lie while he's doing it.

Racing has to change and people like Dutrow, and there are a few others like him, need to go away for the good of the sport.

Just my two cents, OB.

[erpowers]

16. Anyone Concerned About Steroids

Is anyone concerned with the fact that Big Brown is taking a steroids? I know the steroid he is on is not illegal in all horse hacing states, but I still have a problem with a horse on steroids winning the Triple Crown. I am one of those people who would have liked a horse that was not on steroids to win the races. I just think that a horse on steroids is not running just based on it own talent.

On another note is anyone surprised and/or upset that very little about the steroid issue was mentioned on this morning's edition of "The Sports Reporters". The show opened with the results of yesterday's race, but the fact that Big Brown was taking a steroid was never brought up. On at least one point I thought one of the writers was going to bring it up, but he instead brought up another issue. So what do others think?

[TZ]

20. Its not like BB is the first TC horse racing on meds.

Lasix for bleeding is a well documented drug. Yeah it does bother me, I would rather the horses not be on drugs..but to suggest the BB is different from most other horses..Look Dutrow has other horses he gives steroids to and they aren't in the same class as BB.
This kind of thing is pretty common, sadly.

[two gun sid]

25. Steroids be outlawed in all racing jurisdictions...

and no horse should be able to race if they are receiving steroids. Steroids have a place in equine medicine and can be helpful in certain situations but horses should not be racing with steroids in their systems.

And breeding farms should not be giving yearlings steroids just so they have a big fat horse for the sales.

[Upton]

17. Horse racing is an elitist sport

and you can add cruel to that as well. Did anyone see Real Sports on HBO this past week? Showed, at times in graphic detail, what is done with thoroughbreds that don't win and make their owners enough money.

[TZ]

18. Sigh

Not all the owners are like that..Or perhaps you are gonna call people like Old Broad and Two Gun Sid and the other horse people here elitists?
Somehow the good people who treat their horses right never make the news. I wonder why...:sarcasm:

[trumad]

19. Thanks for your concern...

Now go back to GD or GDP...

[Justpat]

21. trumad and turtlensue,

:thumbsup:

[WilliamPitt]

23. So is posting on an internet forum.

Look at you, with enough money for a computer *and* an internet connection. Not to mention the free time to use them. I'll bet you even have a chair to sit on.

Enjoy your latte, elitst cur. I'll be out locking myself onto a baby seal with chains made from genuine small intestines taken from people who own fur coats and/or drive SUVs and/or watch football and/or didn't vote Kucinich and/or don't believe giant laser space frisbees blew up the WTC towers and/or breed and/or don't despise all Christians and/or own houses larger than 302.4 sqare feet and/or own any clothing not made of hemp, recycled clown noses or the ground and/or don't eat like real Vegans, i.e. eat food that actually casts a shadow...etc.

Kidding.

But damn. Racing horses has been around since the first human actually caught two of them and managed to climb aboard and hold on. That was...mmm...about 25,000-30,000 years ago, give or take. Now they do it in arenas and don't eat the horses after the race. Progress, yo.

And yeah, internet posting is elitist...compared to millions of urban/rural poor who'd think money for computers and web service is an unaffordable extravagance with heating oil through the roof, no jobs, no health insurance, rent to pay, etc.

Elitism is as elitism does.

;)

*neigh, whinny*

[trumad]

24. Exactly

You'll see this type of elitism pop up every once in a while here on DU, and I've come to the conclusion it's from people who really have no idea what they are talking about.

[greenbriar]

26. exactly

Horse Racing is an awesome sport and the animals are beautiful to watch

[Justpat]

27. I saw Big Brown at Belmont this morning

and he is spectacular.

He just jogged the wrong way of the track today. I was there when he came onto the track.

He has a great deal of charisma. And he has great bone and seems in great shape.
He didn't look like the Preakness took anything out of him.

[two gun sid]

28. Can you get his autograph for me...please?

OB, this guy is bigger than life now, he's a huge story. I'd sure like to see him in person.

Did you happen to catch Allday on Steve Byk's show Tuesday? In the second hour he came on and talked about steroids. It was pretty good but you get the feeling, listening to him, that he's not quite the guy that should be in charge of reforming the sport. Still, a pretty good listen if you get the chance.

Did Prado get into Dutrow's head a little bit last Saturday? What do you guy's think?

[TZ]

29. If Prado got in Dutrow's head, its no matter now..

Seems our buddy has been trash talking about Casino Drive. Why does such a nice horse have to be trained by such an asshole?

[two gun sid]

32. The more time he spends talking shit...

the less time he spends making sure his horse is ready to run. It would be just like that weasel sonuvabitch to blow the biggest shot he ever had. I wonder if Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons is turning over in his grave?

Racing Trivia for everyone: What trainer has won the most Belmont Stakes and how many times did he/she win it?

[TZ]

33. Woody Stephens?

Can't remember how many times though...

[two gun sid]

34. Nope.

But, that's a good answer. Woody wasn't even the 2nd or 3rd winningest trainer in Belmont Stakes history.

[two gun sid]

35. James G. Rowe, Sr.

He won 8 Belmont Stakes as a trainer and he also won 2 as a jock. Trained horses Miss Woodford, Hindoo, Sysonby, Colin, Regret, Peter Pan, Commando, Luke Blackburn. He trained more horses considered Champions than any other Hall of Fame trainer. He was a real horseman and took very good care of his horses. Colin was one of only two undefeated American horses in the 20th century.

He was asked once what he thought his epitaph should be and he replied, simply, "He trained Colin".

He's a hero of mine (if you couldn't tell).

[TZ]

36. huh. Thanks for that

I wasn't aware of there being a Belmont winning trainer who was also a jock..I'm frightfully afraid my knowledge of the TC does not go back much before the early seventies....(I've read oodles about Secretariat whom I wish I had been old enough to remember)

[Justpat]

30. Edgar was race riding

and as he said, that is what he gets paid to do.


Dutrow's statement about Edgar's ride was stupid. His horse is probably going to win the TC,
but it does not mean that no one has the right to challenge him or test him.


What a jerk.

[two gun sid]

31. Ain't I an asshole?...

I told you I was gonna take some time off before the Belmont and I lied. I love this sport and the good horse people on DU. Now I gotta go get some work done before dark.

That "Ain't I an asshole" question was rhetorical, you don't have to answer it.