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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:23 PM Original message |
Should men have a say about abortion? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Only if the effected woman wishes to bring one in on her decision. |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Good answer. n/t |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The only one I could think of that made any sense. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. This is true in our "western" society |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's her body and her choice. No man should have veto power over |
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Blue Meany (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Should a man be compelled to pay child support for a child |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong |
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Blue Meany (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. The fact that the woman's health is at stake obviously gives |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. nope. he can neither compell her to abort nor to carry to term. |
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Blue Meany (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. You don't seem to see the contradiction in your position |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. From a legal perspective, the issue is the rights of the child |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. What if she gives the child to the father. Should she be responsible for child support? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Under the law, yes she is |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I understand how child support works, wanted to see if that poster did |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
40. Your basic fallacy is this idea that child support is something women get from men |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. Men shouldn't have to |
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Piwi2009 (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-27-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. This is a question for the antichoicers actually |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
80. There's no contradiction |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
102. Both men and women have choices in pregnancy. A man's choice in the matter |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #102 |
146. That's rather sexist... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. "women are that mentally incompetent, they should not have the choice of an abortion"? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #147 |
152. Try reading the entire sentence in context |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. "A woman has a choice beyond that because it is her body and her health." |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Yes it is her body and her health |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. "forcing" child support is = to "forcing" pregnancy? No. It isn't. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. You're right - it isnt equal... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. "true equality would mean that" everything about it was equal. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. You're wanting equality of outcome |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. It isn't equal. Until men can get pregnant, it won't be equal. No, the woman doesn't have the sole |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. She doesn't have the sole right to get pregnant? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. I see. Here's a thought: maybe the men putting their penii into women like that should think about |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. So you're saying basically... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. Who is saying women "should have zero responsibility for their choices in the sexual act" except |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #181 |
188. no, you're sorely and sadly and ridiculously misguided. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. What is misguided? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. "Some" not "The" financial responsibility for "their child". |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. I get it now. A woman fucked you over and you hate them all now. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #194 |
198. LOL Oh how wrong you are.... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Men don't get pregnant, women do = "blatant hypocrisy"? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. Again, you're conflating pregnancy... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #202 |
205. You conflate "equal" with "fair". We, including you, have been saying "equal" |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. Its neither fair nor equal. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. Who is claiming anything about "equal rights" except you? We acknowledge it isn't |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #210 |
214. Apparently you missed the comment... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #202 |
241. Re-read the flipping OP that you are in. The question was whether men should have a say in abortion. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-26-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #198 |
243. The reply to me here told me EVERYTHING I need to know, dude. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #191 |
197. Furthermore, as we have both stated |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #197 |
201. It is not objective fact... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. What? The law prohibits men from getting pregnant? Huh. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #174 |
180. And men never lie about being fixed, or use condoms that "break"? I know women |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #180 |
183. Sure they do. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #158 |
164. Your dream world of equality only works in a world where men can be impregnated. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. So then... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. Until men can get pregnant, it won't be "equal". Simple physiology. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. No shit? Really? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #167 |
175. A pregnancy carried to term does not magically equate to financial support by the father. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. Here in the United States |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #179 |
185. lol. As if. And then there's the real world. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #185 |
196. Sounds like your problem is really... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. My anecdotes are just as good as any of yours. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #199 |
204. Yeah so? |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
110. There is no contradiction. |
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Kceres (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Cheers! |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Right. Isn't it interesting that it is men: the Pope, priests |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. He had his choice |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. What if they had agreed to no children and that she would be responsible for contraception? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. It's still the only time he gets to exercise his own choice |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. You missed the entire point...there are limitations on some choices when it involves children |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. No, you're missing the point. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Sometimes condoms fail. If he has sex, he takes the risk of pregnancy |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. Is that why |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Their agreement has no effect on other people's rights - particularly the child |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
119. Consent to have sex does not = consent to parenting or childbirth |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Yes. He deposited sperm that made her pregnant. Yes, it is her body, her life at stake |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-30-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. If a man doesn't want to have a child, but wants to have sex, it is incumbent |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
120. But no birth control is 100% effective, so celibacy is the only for sure option. |
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Lursa CB (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #120 |
132. And THAT'S why there is choice! |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. The answer to that is very simple |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
46. yes because being pro-choice means you believe women should not be coherced into terminating |
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Lursa CB (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-08-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
131. her body, her decision |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Of course men should have a say. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
81. That's as close to the perfect summary as can be achieved |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. if they are willing to carry the fetus to term in their bodies, then yes. n/t |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Exactly. Any man who is pregnant should be able to decide whether or not |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. No. A man who impregnates a woman who does not want to be pregnant |
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pkdu (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. IF asked/consulted - "I'll support you 110% in whatever you decide to do" |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. Oh, they can say what they want to and generally insist |
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Libertyfirst (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
19. The woman may consult, but the decision should be hers alone. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-31-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
31. When men are the ones who have to risk their lives to carry the child, yes. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-02-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
32. what's "a say"? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I take exception to some of what you say here |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. do you, now? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. "why is the sperm donor then held responsible for the support of the child?" |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
35. Only if he is the woman's medical provider and that would be... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-15-09 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
42. Men should have a say about support, since that is one of the determining factors for abortions. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Think of it this way - if a man decides he will not support a child, he is essentially makeing the |
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Glory89fan (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
45. No |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
48. Only if the woman asks for |
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kaylynwright (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
49. Absolutely NOT! |
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Babykayx (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
50. As if pregnancy was a detrimant to ones health |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. A woman in perfect health going into labor and delivery can have any number of |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Not to mention health issues while pregnant. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Maternal death rates. "men should have a say", do you mean morally or legally? |
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Babykayx (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-12-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Men should have a say morally |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-12-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. got it. thank you for clarifying |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. haha |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-11-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I know what this part means (and thank you for taking the time you have) |
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Babykayx (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-12-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Your taking what I said the wrong way |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-12-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. this is what we call |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-12-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. use square brackets to make things bold/etc.... here.... |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-29-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. Well, it certainly is now. Heard of H1N1? |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-14-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Yemeni girl, 12, dies in painful childbirth |
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lovecanada56035 (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-12-09 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
61. Absolutely not |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. "baby" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-13-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You've met my new best buddy! |
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Piwi2009 (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-27-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
64. Men have a say in abortion |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
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rj5690 (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-28-09 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
66. Absolutely not |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. what do you like on your pizza? n/t |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
71. I believe a man should have a choice the same as the woman |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. that window of opportunity exists before he deposits sperm |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I think the best time for a man to "abort" his responsibility is during the pregnancy |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-14-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. nope |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-13-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. So even if maximum precaution is taken |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-14-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. yup, that's the way it is |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-14-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. So you're pro-choice as long as the woman does what the man wants? n/t |
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badacid (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. It's a sad thing - But no, men shouldn't have a say. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. That window of opportunity lies in his decision to have unprotected sex. |
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Amaya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
82. that is up to the woman |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-30-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
83. I think women can be generally trusted to involve the man if it's appropriate. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #83 |
148. If you believe that... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #148 |
161. wow. So, you think women, in general, canNOT be trusted? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
151. Rather like teens informing their parents if it's appropriate. I agree. Mandating |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
84. I realize that there's a genuine opposition here to giving a man |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Oh bullshit. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Perhaps you'd care to elaborate |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Your hypotheticals are bullshit. Every word you said is bullshit. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Ah, thanks, I figured you out |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I contend that if you have sex and a pregnancy results, it's 100% up to the woman to |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. When it's in MY body, it's what _I_ say it is: fetus or baby. Once it's born, it MAY be your child. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. He should have picked a better hypothetical lover. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Are you telling me that men DO have ways to prevent abortions? |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Thanks for launching into a screed |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Should approval of both partners be mandated before buying contraception? |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. There's a difference with most forms of BC |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Not necessarily. Diaphram, foam, gel, even condoms have been used withouth the other one knowing |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Its clearly mandated when the woman chooses to keep the child |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. "the fact that the woman he's having sexual relations with has snuffed the life of his child" |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. I'm talking about a situation where a man in a committed relationship |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
116. It works both ways |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-06-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
101. Deleted message |
beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-07-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
103. I believe it is a woman's chioce what to do. SHe can decide who is important in her life |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
104. Only if the woman chooses to involve the man in the decision. (nt) |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. If she chooses to have a child contrary to what the man wants and she wants child support |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. Child support is not pregnancy. They are not interchangable as rights or obligations. (nt) |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #107 |
121. "child support" is to support the child. It has nothing to do with "she wants" but |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-05-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Don't expect a response. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-06-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Huh, thanks. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
108. Deleted message |
Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
109. No. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Agreed. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Fail. Then he should have not contributed his sperm. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Your fail. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. You're the one confusing medical rights with child support. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-14-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Am I? |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-03-11 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
117. Only if the woman who is pregnant involves him voluntarily. (nt) |
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ObsessiveAlchemist (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
124. I feel the overall decision rests with the woman |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-21-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Legally "should" or morally/ethically "should"? Welcome to Du |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Um. So are you suggesting |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
127. Men can offer their opinion and make an argument, but the final choice needs to be up to the woman. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
128. There's no "a" say when you're talking about abortion. There is only "the" say. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-11 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
129. the guy who got her pregnant should be involved but beyond banning it |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-11 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
130. This is an easy question for me - no |
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Devin M (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
133. An advisory position |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. ONLY if his advice is sought out by the woman ... |
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clockworkgirl21 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
135. Intesteing topic |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Because women put their health and lives at risk to carry and deliver children |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. You mean everything isn't equal? Everything isn't "fair"? Indeed. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. I think you meant to respond to the n00b |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. hiya, indeed. |
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clockworkgirl21 (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. I never stated that a man should be able to stop a woman from aborting. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. "just because of a choice a woman made" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. A man shouldn't be "stuck" with paying child support because the woman chose to not abort? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Did said woman RAPE the man?!?! |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. Did said man RAPE the woman? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Did you know every method of contraception has failures? How does that factor in with you? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. Same way. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. Actual equality would dictate he become pregnant. Since that doesn't happen, yes, she |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. No, that isn't actual equality |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #160 |
166. Making things the same for both doesn't = equality? Huh. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. I recognize women have the greater risk. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. Why? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #173 |
184. I have explained why repeatedly. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #184 |
218. If he took "all precautions", did his vasectomy fail? Why should he be partially financially respons |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. I agree 100% |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #221 |
224. Should a man have a say about abortion? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. You keep focusing on the assumption the man will avoid responsibility. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #226 |
229. Should a man be able to deny a woman an abortion because he wants a child? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #229 |
231. Should he be? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #154 |
162. Your dream world of equality only works in a world where men can be impregnated. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. No it doesnt. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. And you're acting as though equality of choice is equality of risk. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. but it's not faaaaiiirrrrr!!!111. Good grief, next thing you know he'll complain he's being "forced" |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #169 |
187. I agree 100%. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #187 |
192. You keep acting as though a man's fucking MONEY is their body. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #192 |
206. You don't think losing as much as 25% of your post tax income is oppressive? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. You think a man should have no responsibility towards a child he helped make, simply |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #207 |
209. Why not? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #209 |
213. you are 6, your 10 yr old brother gets to stay up later. that isn't fair either. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #213 |
215. For fuck's sake, no that is not what I'm saying. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. No man should be responsible for a child he helped make unless he wants to. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. If things were to be equal, yes that is correct. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #219 |
222. Life isn't about making everything equal or "fair". |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. I never said it was. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #223 |
225. Now you are back to equating pregnancy/childbirth issue to his financial support of a child. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. So then... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #228 |
230. I like purple |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #154 |
240. So when each of the parties |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. The woman takes on ALL of the risk |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
145. Of course he should |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #145 |
178. lol, his financal support is NOT "his body", but that's cute. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #178 |
189. Deleted message |
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Does she control where he lives, where he works, what he eats, when he sleeps, how fast he |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #190 |
195. And it's disgusting that he keeps acting as though it is. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #190 |
212. In a way, yes she does. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #212 |
216. Oh, I understand you. You think a man should have no responsibility towards a child he helped make |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #216 |
220. In the context of the question from the OP.... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #220 |
227. Let's pretend the man does have a say. Should he be able to make her abort so he doesn't |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #227 |
232. He should not be permitted to force an abortion |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. Thank you for agreeing he should not have a say, not force abortion or non. eom |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. I never said he should not have a say. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #234 |
235. You said he shouldn't force. What sort of say should he have regarding abortion or not? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #235 |
236. One more time... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #236 |
237. One more time... |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #237 |
238. He should have the right to... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #238 |
239. Her decision is not "informed" without the male giving his opinion? Would you like that |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #145 |
182. How does the woman control his body? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
211. some men are just pissed because, nowadays, they can't get away |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-25-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #211 |
242. Exactly. Well said. |
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ZenaD (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #211 |
245. Heh. DNA testing has been a double edged sword |
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ZenaD (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-28-11 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
244. An opinion, yes. Veto power, no. |
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