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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:03 PM Original message |
Recreational Drugs FAR Less Likely to Kill You than Prescribed Drugs! |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. correct |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Facts don't get in the way of DEA BS either |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Facts are a nuisance. Ask the MSM, they don't need 'em! n/t |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Should they legalize drugs and treat addiction as a medical problem instead of a criminal one, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. I shudder to think what RJR or Phillip Morris would do to pot |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Don't worry about the pot |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. You'll be doing the lords work |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
55. !!! |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. Alright! I'm researching airfare prices to France |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. the whole key is finding the pot anarchists. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. On top of that |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Interesting, but to be honest |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Except they're just inventing conditions now |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Oh no argument there (although I DO "suffer from" RLS) |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
66. Roaches get "RLS" too... you know.. their legs twitch when they're being poisoned. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. sleep depravation |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Restless Leg Syndrome is a real condition. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. And the causes and effects of it require medication? |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Mine was cured with |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Was it so debilitating you'd pay considerable $ for a drug with bizarre side effects? |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. It was pretty uncomfortable but no I wouldn't have taken a |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Okay, let's say I'm prepared to grant that... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
58. There's no specific etiology. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Okay, so it's real insofar as any symptom is real. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. No. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
79. Okay, thanks. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Huh? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. When did it get that name? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Well, according to wiki... |
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MnFats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. i pointed out a month ago that i'd never heard or RLS until the ad onslaught.. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. THC = vasodilator for asthma, has shown some promise in this area for hypertension as well. |
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chicagomd (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
93. Huh? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. I wonder how recreationals compare to "lifestyle" pharma drugs. |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
42. Actually, marijuana has been proven to help asthma, and it helps many |
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chicagomd (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
95. Huh? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
70. Actually, marijuana is an effective treatment for asthma, among other things...nt |
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chicagomd (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
94. Again, huh? |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
74. You've lost the point entirely. The effort has always been |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
8. As Bill Maher said... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
11. The article doesn't really seem to be talking about likelihood. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. purity control |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #37 |
51. That's not true. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. bingo |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
71. Why should pot be "factored out"? It's a Schedule I drug, just like heroin...nt |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. It should be factored out for the same reason it shouldn't be a Schedule I drug. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. The mis-scheduling of marijuana makes the conversation you suggest effectively impossible. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Not when you're comparing death from prescribed drug to death from recreational drug use. |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Same thing happened with MDMA. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
91. How dare you bring common sense into this discussion! n/t |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
13. Can you imagine what could have been done with all the money we |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Invaded the rest of the middle east n/t |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
15. How to Lie with Statistics |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. How to lie by claiming statistics are lying... |
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AikidoSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. It's much more than 106,000 deaths. You selected only people who die from drugs in hospitals |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. Why? |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. That's why I'm a Christian Scientist. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
17. No one has ever died from marijuana overdose. |
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bidenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. marijuana safe? sorry, it's not |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Welcome to DU. Correlation does not equal causation. And furthermore... |
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bidenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. check out the original article |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Three points, as I wait for the Lancet article to download |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Now, that's disingenous.. |
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bidenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. good point |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. possibly! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I'm certainly with you there |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Marijuana doesn't cause cancer |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Wrong..... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Any smoke is carcinogenic if inhaled |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. beg to differ... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
72. Someone isn't familiar with the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. LOL nt |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. cannabis is not as bad for your lungs as tobacco |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #27 |
52. The oral LD50 of nicotine is 1/20th of a gram. There is no oral LD50 for THC or other cannabinoids. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
56. Maybe if the govt. didn't bust company's that sell vaporizers it wouldn't be true. |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
65. I disagree here |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Heh |
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bidenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. fair enough re: overdosing |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
53. By definition, pot smokers are risk-takers. Risk-takers have accidents. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
76. That's not the study, it's just a commentary. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. This is not causation |
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bidenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Read the full research piece - they worked to exclude such people |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. i have read the article |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Exactly. Rates of schizophrenia have remained stable |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. Did the rate of cannabis use go up in the 1960's? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:58 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. of course it went up |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
50. How many people have died from GI bleeding from smoking pot? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
54. Serious psychoses? Here's a serious question. Did you ever smoke it? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Huh? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. I am certain that plenty of non smokers |
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Blaze Diem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
44. Absolutely . |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
69. One particular "recreational drug," i.e., marijuana, has all kinds of medicinal benefits. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
82. Sorry..couldn't resist |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Ban comic sans |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Now that is funny. Thanks. To the issue, my take: |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
87. Regardless, I'm still a bit more confident |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
89. Those non taxed drugs are the "bad" drugs lol. Establishment LIES about EVERYTHING |
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