*'s chart. . .ughhhh

[stellanoir]

Out of some perverse curiousity I just looked at *'s chart.

Right now he's got the Progressed Moon approaching his South Lunar Node
soon to oppose his natal Uranus and shortly thereafter his progressed Uranus. Whilst Saturn is about to transit across his Ascendant and then conjoin his natal Mercury and Pluto. All over the next month and a half or so.

If this doesn't result in a major shake up, I'll eat my ephemeris.

Shucks. If only I knew how to post the popcorn smilie.

[I Have A Dream]

1. You'd use this...

:popcorn:

[Helga Scow Stern]

2. Yes, it does look popcorn worthy.

:popcorn:

[tanyev]

3. Fingers crossed that you won't have to eat your ephemeris.

Doesn't sound pleasant.

[stellanoir]

4. Well I threatened to do that if he won reselection

and just got totally bummed for 2 months instead. Would have gotten over it sooner had I eaten the thing.

This time I might opt for sticking to thoroughly non digestable cellulose (aka popcorn.)

But I had hoped that the third pass of Uranus opposed his Mars back in February would bring his exposure and it did in a way but with the DOJ, and Attorney General coerced and the judiciary stacked and the media coopted they just go "it (NSA spying) is legal 'cause we say so." So there.

Still Saturn is far more exacting and should not be so slippery we can only hope.

[LaurenG]

5. What else are you "getting" on him?

I'd love an analysis on this. :bounce: :)

[stellanoir]

6. oooooooooooo I'm far too biased to be clear.

Plus I think the forces that use him as a puppet are far larger and are not at all reflected in his chart.

But trust me, he's in for rough weather. I especially look forward to his Saturn Pluto transit. That ought to be a doozey for such a wicked disingenuous pretender as he is.

[cliss]

7. While I will not feel bad when Bush

gets what's coming to him, it would be really nice if we could unearth the shadowy figures who are pulling Bush's strings. It's not just Cheney and Rumsfailed, either. It's probably thousands of individuals who are feeding off of the public trough; the military industrial complex, CEO's, Northrup Grumman, Bell Helicopters, Boeing, CACI, Titan, Blackwater, Kellogg Brown & Root, Halliburton, Bechtel, the list goes on and on and on. Let's not forget The Carlyle Group, Poppy Bush, The Bilderbergers. Is the whole system rotten? Sometimes I wonder.

How to get at those people?

Now if I was a divine being in charge of these beings, I would want to go to the source of the rot, as well as their little Storefront Mannequin. It would be a tough assignment: people have complained that these people have no loyalty to the US; even if this country topples, they will be somewhere in Madagascar or Borneo with a nice chunk of change & an unnumbered Swiss bank account.

I'm not worried about the fact that they will escape 'scot free' with the loot. If Bush gets into huge trouble, they will too. They will NOT escape unscathed because they are completely mired in this mess. The global markets are interconnected.

Sorry, CEO's. Your fate is tied with Bush.

[stellanoir]

8. I cannot disagree with you on any point.

Pass the popcorn please.

In as much as I joke that it may be a spectator sport. It is not. We all have to be actively involved in whatever way we can. IMHO

Go for it folks.

[cassiepriam]

9. I agree with you totally. It is an entire system failure. Bush is only a

symptom of it. If most people in this country acted in moral and wise ways, Bush would never have come to power. He is merely a reflection of the American culture and people. That is a tough fact to accept.

We have $8 Trillion gone from the American treasury. Where do you think it has all gone? To those on the Bush gravy train. A significant segment of the population is self focused and greedy. Capitalism gone crazy. And yes they could care less if America topples, their fantasy is that they will be untouched. Their monty is in secure off shore bank accounts. (Another significant portion of the population is apathetic and intellectually lazy.)

But they may learn that we are all interconnected. We shall see if their hopes that money places them in a protected bubble actually proves true. And if denial is a successful coping strategy.

[stellanoir]

10. I agree with you about * being in power

being reflective of a percentage of our culture that is unethical, incurious, and thoroughly unenlightened.

It's so frustrating that while espousing moral supremacy and "family values" our leadership and our culture in actuality, almost singularly worships money often regardless of through what means it is acquired, and routinely rewards selfishness and greed. That is also another tough thing to accept.

Though our government has always had a modicum of corruption it's never been so blatantly so and with such presumed and apparant impunity.

Still I just can't believe that we won't arrive at a place of critical mass and that the truth won't ultimately emerge over time.

To watch this country digress so quickly commiting the same blunders of every imperialistic power throughout recorded history has been torturous. Still what inevitably brings these sorts down is their own hubris. Can't happen soon enough for my liking.

That's why I look to Saturn's transit over *'s Ascendant, Mercury, and Pluto for some sort of reckoning at least.

[hippiechick]

11. One thought ...

CEO's and other execs, like Presidents, come and go.

Those who are actually "in charge" of this - behind the scenes - are much more powerful and in for a much longer haul; and will be much much less likely to be outed.

Bilderbergers and their ilk - probably. But I think there's some old, old money and power structure at play here that 99.9% of us (including me) just can't put a finger on.


:hi:

[cliss]

12. You're so right.

I wonder who they are? I've thought about that many times; seen some hints in a few books I've read. European bankers. The Vatican, the Vatican Bank. Shadowy figures, elusive men. They are probably concentated in some industries, like banking, petroleum, energy. There are probably certain countries which have larger concentrations of them, like Switzerland, Singapore, maybe Hong Kong.


They say that Big fish swim in deep waters, and I believe this is true for the "government within a government" like Jeanne Dixon talked about.

The little small fry like Rick Santorum or D. Cunningham are just small change to these people. Anybody who's out in the public is not one of them. Most probably, they lead anonymous lives, content with knowing that nobody knows them, except a select few.

Invincible? Maybe not.

BUT, Stan Goff writes that these people are MORE tied in to their investments, their strangle hold on ordinary people, the helpless consumers, who provide their wealth. They are even more trapped than we are in this mess.

[Cleita]

14. A polysci professor I know locally has characterized the PNAC

who backs Bush and pulls his strings as a "shadow government" ruling our government. I think if you look at the PNAC and all the parent think tanks and organizations that spawned it you may have your man or men actually. Has anyone done a chart on Richard Perle? I am very suspicious of him as being one of the men behind the curtain. I am certain that there is more that one, more like a committee.

[peacetalksforall]

41. Richard Perle is only an operative except - an importaint one because

of his Israel connection.

All the people you know about and whose faces you see and recognize from the news are only the operatives. I call the shadow rulers the 'barons' for brevity. They are the ones who said OK to Bush as the candidate - his candidacy being one part of the PNAC Plan. What is hurting us is that they bought the PNAC Plan for the 21st century. (Their real work got going about 30 years ago when they started grooming and planting newspaper editors and journalists, lawyers and judges, and all kinds of civic and board (as in school) employees and volunteers at all levels of local, country, state, and federal government and foundations). It is also when they started partnering with reverends and convinced the reverends to promote (find peace and partnership with) Israel.

Some say the baron plan has existed from the turn of the last century and really got going after the first World War. Which makes sense - war makes some people rich and they want more riches.

I personally they can only make their riches if they can control the people the the bizarre and excessive ways of going about it is because the PNAC Plan group told them it would work or that someone put their foot down and said 'just do it' - Congress is in our way. Certain judges are in our way. ; .

Ask yourself who 'arranged' the law of the land so that corporations got away without paying taxes, who legalized themselves out of the country to avoid certain U.S. laws, who, at the same time fully expect us to pay the taxes and obey the law.

It would be much easier for them if they could equalize wages throughout the world, own foreign leaders, own the media and propaganda, own intelligence and policing, and have a submissive, non-demanding, non-dissenting labor force who, at the same time - purchases.

Who we see and hear are the operatives. There is ertainly a heriarchy.

[cassiepriam]

15. Yes, old money and power pulling strings.....

highly unlikely they will ever be outed. I can't put a finger on who they are either.

[LaurenG]

16. 90 or so men and their families

Think big oil and you have most of them. These people aren't just Americans they are the major players and their kin all over the world.

[cassiepriam]

17. Yes, he who controls the oil, controls the world. That is why * invaded

Iraq and hopes to dominate the mideast. That is why the details of the invasion matter little to him. He has his eye on the prize. If he can use the same tactics of bullying and buying allegiance with the rest of the world that he has used in the US, the repugs could rule the planet. That must be what they were/are thinking.

Now, if they can destabilize the entire mideast region, they can move in and make deals. These guys know very well how to ruin a company and then work it to their advantage. And Americans generally like their creature comforts and do not ask too many questions how it is obtained.

The Oil Mafia slogan has always been "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated."

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. A good place to start might be the chart of David Rockefeller. He's one of

the biggest "dark players".

[LiberalEsto]

40. How to get back at them? Easy!

Repeal their tax cuts!

[stellanoir]

13. Okay guys

We're getting far too way oppressed here.

Sure banking, industry, the military, government, and the media has been controlled by dishonest nefarious unseen forces for eons and it ain't at all about the greater good. But I can't help but feel that their forces are on the wane and it's really up to us.

This will sound simplistic but the primary solution to powerlessness may just be a spiritual solution of envisioning the earth in a violet-purple light of transmutation. (blue=ered=purple)

If enough people do this I swear, positive changes will result.
St. Germain has told me that for eons. So go figure.

That'll blow these wankers out of power for once and not all.

If that color doesn't resonate with you then try green. That'll help Gaia and heal a whole lot of weary hearts as well.

It's worth a minute of your time a day I swear.

White is simply too neutral for what we are up against. IMHO

Maybe give it a whirl.

Have a nice day.

[cassiepriam]

18. It is my curse, I have always seen reality all too clearly. nt

[stellanoir]

20. Welp ya know. . . all characteristics

just like planetary placements can of course be both a blessing and a curse depending on attitude and choice.

I don't feel that seeing reality with astute clarity is problematic. Though not being able to imagine non linear or solutions that transcend traditional approaches might be.

Some spiritualist speak of it as a need to transcend 3D. Most days I agree.

I felt around the '00 selection as though things would get worse before they got better but I like most, never foresaw such an extreme digression or repression of our basic civil rights or the practice of torturous behaviors legitimized. Yikes.

Then I step back and wonder if it's just that super powers are no longer appropriate in this still new millennium and we had to experience a decline.

What gives me great solace is the fervant belief that there is a possibility for a different paradigm than we've know before to miraculously manifest through a genuinely shared spirituality of basic human kindness. Silly me.

One of my two spiritual teachers predicted back in the late 80's that there would be another flood. It would be a flood of ideas. I reckon we're about 3/4's of the way through it.

I feel we're witnessing a global purge of behaviors no longer appropriate for humankind.

Pluto's transit through the last decant of Sagg transiting over the gallactic center and ultimately over the solar apex certainly could goose our very evolution and rid us of this rampant fundamentalism within most faiths that is the source of so much idiotic conflict.

So I'm still hopeful despite all indications and appearances that are quite to the contrary.

[cassiepriam]

24. As cynical as I can be, even I am amazed at BushCo.

And I am quite familiar with Bush and his Oil Mafia, have been following their antics for about two decades now, due to an unfortunate run in with them work wise many years ago. I early on knew that they were very bad news.

Basically to try and predict what they will do, I think of the worst thing possible, then multiple it by 2 or 3 and then I start getting into the ballpark :(.

Yes I have heard the soup scum theory, all the bad stuff rising to the top so it can be skimmed away.

ANd no you are not being silly, it is good to have a belief in the basic goodness of man, and to have hope for the future. I believe as well that can happen, I just am not sure in which millennia it will occur! The earth plane is a tough school.

[I Have A Dream]

19. I absolutely agree, stellanoir. The violet flame/light of transmutation..

is the most powerful for what we're trying to do.

[stellanoir]

21. I LOVE

that image !!! Thanks for posting it.

[demgrrrll]

22. I did not know that both Bush and Blair had a Sun placement in the 12th

house. Can that mean detachment or problems with a father or father figure? I do not know that much about Blair's family history but it does fit for Bush. Maybe that is why they connected..well that or a promise of a seat on the Carlyle board. I was talking to some of my friends in the U K and they felt it was hard for Blair to say no to Bush. What does it mean when a chart has a lot of placements in the 12th house?

[stellanoir]

23. well at this hour of the night

and having three planets in th 12th, but not the sun, I'll simply say they are driven by unseen forces. /eom

[cassiepriam]

25. 12 h is the main karmic house. Bush's chart:

Planets in the 12h have major karmic implications. * has the sun and Saturn placed there, indicating significant karma with his father and a strong karmic load in general.

The sun in the 12 house indicates that the person in a past life was most likely a prominent person and in this life is to work behind the scenes rather than in a public position and learn to be content with less recognition that it deserves. And most likely had strong ruthless ambition in past lives (12h cancer). It is most critical for a person with this placement to do a job not for the sake of reward and adulation but for the sake of doing a good job.

Most likely in past lives he was hard to understand and kept things hidden. He was tough, prickly and full of self pity. Part of him was ambitious and out going, the other part deeply insecure, soft, and desperate to get the approval of others. Cancer also longs to be part of a family or community, craves success and is willing to alienate others to get it. He was also most likely jealous and possessive and tended to grab onto anything that gave him security. In this life he hoped to overcome all of this, see discussion below.

This placement also indicates karma with the father and aspects to the Sun and the house sign cups will indicate the pattern. I believe that there are many aspects from the sun to *'s third house. This indicates sibling karma as well. He has Chiron in this house. It appears that there is a great deal of karma between * and his father and a sibling. There most likely some violence with this sibling in a past life, and perhaps with the father as well.

The nature of the conflict is a Cancer/Libra conflict. Bush Sr may be been possessive, jealous, demanding and * may have been focused too much on pleasing his father. In this life he was meant to balance that out and meet as equals.

* also has Saturn in the 12th. Which is a very karmic placement, as Saturn is the Lord of Karma. This is an indication that the incarnating soul had a strong desire to release much karmic baggage from the past in this life, to face past feelings of separation and isolation, and to confront fears and restrictions. If the soul can learn his lessons and come to know himself in an honest way, confront the past and overcome old inadequacies, Saturn will confer the gifts of self reliance, confidence and strength in mid life. The soul has the opportunity to gain much wisdom.

I find *’s nodal placement interesting as well. His Gemini NN indicates that he wanted to come back in this life to overcome his past lives of “blind faith” (sag SN) and in this was meant to communicate what is, rather than what he believes in. He is to use his intellect to live in the real world and communicate reality, and to see the world as it really is.

There is also a duality component to this placement, which can lead to a “double life” kind of situation, where there are two personas at work, the public and the private. A hidden private life is quite common with this placement.

The 11h NN placement indicates he was supposed to come back in this life to give himself freely to humanity, working with the collective, instead of using personal power. His 5h SN placement indicates that in past lives he was involved in domination and power struggles, took egocentric control of groups. He may have inflicted pain and humiliation upon others.The soul in this life wants to bring forth his power to lead but to do so in a way that emphasis equality and co-existance.

His Leo Asc indicates that in past lives he was autocratic, domineering, self centered and intolerant. In this life was to come back as a powerful, empowering, and authoritative and heart centered.

Interestingly the same theme is repeated over and over in his chart, much karmic work around past lives of abuse of power and a strong soul desire to balance that out in this life.

[I Have A Dream]

27. Wow, he's not going to be happy when he returns to the spirit world.

If this is what his soul plan was, he's screwed it up royally!

Thanks for the wonderful analysis, cassie! I so value your posts like this.

[cassiepriam]

28. No, he is not going to be a happy camper in his karmic review

board meeting in the spirit world. I would love to be a fly on the wall in that meeting. Actually if the Ascended Masters were into making money they could make a fortune selling tickets to that event.

Bush's natal chart read from a karmic standpoint cannot be more clear: Bush on a soul level clearly incarnated with the very strong desire to overcome his many past lives' mistakes. He came back with that intent and all the internal resources to be a good leader. This theme is repeated over and over in his chart.

Yes he screwed up royally. He blew it.

[stellanoir]

30. cassie great analysis !!!

Ascended Masters selling tickets for *'s karmic review board is the funniest thing I've seen you type as yet.

I've a friend who used to call the karmic review board the "cosmic parole board."

If it was my call I'd send him back as a Buddhist monk because he's so damned unenlightened. But I'm a softy so it's just as well it's not my call.

Did you ever hear of his loss of his kid sister to leukemia. I'm not sure at what age but he was very young. They never had a funeral and his folks went golfing.

The shrink who wrote "* on the Couch" said that was the pinnacle event that molded his character or lack thereof. Then he later started blowing up frogs with firecrackers for kicks which is so deranged.

e-gads

[cassiepriam]

31. Thanks! Really funny " cosmic parole board."

That is good. Quite fitting for *. It is said that he and his father and brother blew up Atlantis, now they are blowing up the world again.

Maybe in his next life they let should let him be a Wal Mart greeter or something. Enough of the power karma.

I have pretty much read everything I could find about Bush's mental status and psych history. Yes I have read Bush on the Couch many times.

I strongly believe that there were many other shaping events in his childhood, not just his sister's death, which caused his narcissism and sociopathy. And yes he has the socipathic childhood triad, including the torturing and killing of animals.

[stellanoir]

32. Yeah I've heard the bad Atlantean theory.

Although I generally don't like to speak in stark generalities and it's really not this simplistic and it's shear speculation but it could be construed that most of the more nefarious leaders we have had their karmic hands in the fall of Atlantis and the peaceniks are more often drawing from Lemeurian vibes.

I've always half joked that I can spot a bad Atlantean at 50 feet.

I should probably be posting this on the Atlantean thread but here's the most ironic thing I've ever heard about Atlantis. It' was from Kevin Ryerson when he was channeling his Irish pub keeper entity (or aspect of self.) "If it's not true it's at least well told."

He was asked about potential pending earth changes and he said something to the effect of "oh when we out here in the ethers are asked of the specifics of such things we always are laughingly reminded of Atlantis. Back then the people who were the most conscious were guided to one particular island that was to have remained safe. But when all those people drawing from and working with the most intense energies available all convened on the same island it changed the grid's energy so that island was the first to go."

Moral of the story. . .or as one reader once cynically told me when I questioned a prediction . . ."hey lady. . . guarantees are for toasters."

I can't believe you've read "* on the Couch" many times. Not to doubt your veracity at all but I can't imagine subjecting myself to his mental illness any more than I have to as a partially blue blooded American. He is quite a case study though I suppose.

I've only read the internet Reader's Digest versions of that book, heard the author interviewed a few times, and read some of his subsequent posts. So I clearly am no where near as familiar with *'s history as you are and probably shouldn't have isolated that one incident when I really do know all of our lives are truly a rich mosaic of innumerable influences.

See what trouble over simplification gets me into ? I should know better.

A dear friend is either a third or forth cousin of *'s through the Walker clan. She said the only two things she had ever heard of that branch of the family was that they use to send out photos of a manger scene every year for Christmas with their Chrismas cards. During WWII there were no sheep available for the creche so they glued cotton balls to their golden retrievers. The poor pooches. The other thing was that everyone in the country club in Ct. to which they belonged was considered a "junior member" until they hit their mid 50's 'cause that's when their trust funds usually kicked in.

A greeter at WalMart. . .yeah he could actually be good at that. Except all his humor is really mean spirited (at someone else's expense.) Ughhh again.

[cassiepriam]

33. "If it's not true it's at least well told." Another good quote...

Yes, I agree, if not true, Atlantis is a fascinating tale.

I have been interested in Bush and the Oil Mafia for quite some time now. I am particularly interested in *'s psychiatric conditions. Also the strategies they use to gain power and wealth. It is an appalling story, but the same one over and over again as they took over one business after another, ran them into the ground, but they themselves left very wealthy. Never cared at all what they did to others, investors, employees, clients, bank lenders, etc etc. All hurt horribly. And all perfectly legal. They have enough money to buy or bribe everyone. I have seen it over and over again.

And Bush's mental status is quite shaky. Very few inner resources to pull him through tough times. And lots of psychopathology.

[stellanoir]

34. Okay wisest of ones. I'm not being even remotely facetious

as you have by now earned my eternal respect.

Now I'll temporarily feign to take enormous issue with one of my biggest grammatical annoyances.

Quote is a verb. Quotation is a noun. But everybody makes this error.
And I am only goofing around here really. That issue just always burns my butt for some strangely petty, and obtuse reason. Though it is totally and extraneously trivial really.

Well even though I'm just a lowly astrologer, I can easily recognize the guy is totally nutso.. .psychopathology beyond belief. Perhaps he's either over medicated or drinking again as well or perhaps all three.

Did you see that rumor about him having liquor on his breath when he met Alito's family and sorta seduced Alito's son. Don't know if it's true but some have speculated. The rumor was that was why Mrs. Alito cried in the Congressional confirmation hearings. Who the heck knows? There were also rumors of his homosexual advances towards a Canadian. Sorta have to file them under "things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmm."

Yup beyond decades and decades and decades of illegalities, Harkin energy and the SEC's refusal to investigate was far, far more egregious than (though I'm truly no fan) Martha Stewart's alleged violations. I used to counsel a lot of people in the financial district and from my perspective, this truly qualifies as business as usual.

"All perfectly legal." despite the overt violations to our Constitution. The 1st and 4th amendments have gone "poof." When they can coerce the judiciary, as I said upwards on this thread. "it's legal 'cause we say so." It's truly frightening.

Still a deep sense in me abides in feeling as though as I also said before, they simply can't get away with this for much longer. I hope upon hope that's not based solely on sheer delusion

[cassiepriam]

35. May I quote you on your quotation notation?

Did I get it right? Actually I stretched it a bit, used quotation as an adjective? Well that is still getting closer to a noun at least...

I had not heard the Alioto rumor. I think though that when * is drinking he is very out of control, so nothing would surprise me.
And yes I would think he is mixing alcohol with prescription drugs.
Hence all the slurring of words, aphasia language, etc... Bush S was supposed to be addicted to Halcion, a sleeping pill, when he was prez.

And also yes, when you have the kind of money and power these folks have you simple buy off the regulatory agencies, and the state congress to make laws in your favor. So rarely do these guys have any consequences. And when the public occasionally gets outraged, they find a convenient underling to take the rap for them. Always works out nicely for the crooks. It has been a very successful strategy. Oh and those who cannot be bribed or bought are threatened. So one way or another it is smooth sailing for them.

I just read that Ken Lay is "shocked" that he was found guilty. I am sure he is. His behavior has been standard for many years in the corporate world.

[stellanoir]

36. Oh you may be right

I rethought that quotation anyhow. I remembered it wrongly. It was

"If it's not true it is well invented." That's better.

To say nothing of the obvious multiple spazz attacks and recurrent facial injuries. Yikes.

Perhaps short term "successful strategy."

It seems as though you are somewhat pessimistic about the collective consciousness or lack thereof. I still have perhaps deluded faith in more people waking up over time.

Kenny Boy was thrown under the train. I anticipate repeals going on for years. And why is the sentencing for Lay and Skilling pushed up till Sept. 11th of all dates? If Cheney is gonna testify before Fitz, why is it not until after the mid-terms scheduled for early next year ?
What's the frigging hold up?

It boggles the mind. The good news is that I heard three reports over the past 24 hours on corporate responsiblily. That's at least an improvement however so slight.

Sorry to quibble over grammar with you. I hope you know I was hardly serious. It was a lark. (what a funny expression)

[cassiepriam]

37. LOL I have my pet peeves too...........I understand perfectly.

It is amazing how badly written TV and print reports are these days.
I just shake my head. I admit I can't spell worth a darn, but then again I don't claim to be a media quality writer...

I am not sure pessimistic is the right word to describe my outlook? Maybe more cautious, in a wait and see mode. I do think it is karma time, time to learn some lessons. And it will be a hard way to go for many. To have their old belief system shaken is going to be difficult for them. I think that is one reason that we are having a hard time predicting future events, it is karma and free will time. I am not saying optimism is wrong, I just cannot yet see what America is going to do.

I do think a tremendous amount of damage has been done on so many levels, politically, economically, socially, psychologically. It is going to be a rough time in American history. And I just do not know how Americans are going to handle it all.

The wheels of justice move very slowly for the rich and powerful don't they? They say Fitz moves slowly because he has everything lined up perfectly before he strikes. That is why he is such a successful prosecutor. He doesn't make many mistakes. I do feel strongly that Fitz has done considerable damage to the WH.It has all been happening behind closed doors.

And I am sure there will be much talk about corporate responsibility, but will anything really change? Capitalism is on steroids in this country. Regulation was there for a reason, someone forgot to tell Reagan that before he deregulated everything.

[stellanoir]

38. Welp a traditional "media quality writer"

may just have morphed into the realm of the oxymoronic in these times when journalistic integrity has virtually ceased to exist and the once land of the lively discussion has been dumbed down beyond virtual recognition to intractably dualism and dumb assed shouting matches.

So don't sweat it. And thanks for being understanding of my really petty grammatical peeve. It's really inconsequential in the grander scheme of things.

Speaking of which, as I said earlier, many spiritualists do believe that with Pluto's transit through the last decant of Sagg. we will see the further erosion of dogmatic faiths and that we will be required to offer beaucoup assistance to those thusly shaken in any capacity we can. I and many I know and I'm sure you are fully prepared to do so.

I do concur with you in that it is both a time of karmic purge which is thereby challenging our collective will towards ultimate and possible redemptive action.

How Americans will handle it truly seems like a totally mixed bag to me as well. Indeed the degree of damage that's been done is totally unprecedented. The old adage of "extraordinary times calling for extraordinary measures" comes to mind and could never be more true or applicable.

That's why I've been writing incessantly for well over 6 months to influence the collective discourse in whatever fleeting way I can. I know I've effected that discourse in a profound and anonymous way in the past but now the circumstances are far different and that gives me great and startling pause. Issues of sex and the truth are simply far easier to be funny about than those of war and peace.

I do not think you are pessimistic at all. I think you are thoughtful and wise. I do study history but don't necessarily believe that it will incessantly repeat itself ad nauseum. I'm banking on a major breakthrough.

I go back and forth though. On one hand I wonder if I would have brought a kid into the world if I had known how far we would digress so quickly. On a deeper level I know that he and I have a soul contract most profound and we may just make a difference in whatever small way we can.

I never anticipated investing 3 & 1/2 years tirelessly working for election reform to no apparant avail. A larger exercise in seeming futility I've never experienced before. It may seem selfish but I simply don't want to see him or any of his friends drafted ever. And I don't like the fear I've increasingly seen in the faces of the high school and college kids with whom I work which has augmented so dramatically over most recent years.

As to the wheels of justice, I feel they largely hinge on guilt. That is how I humbly and gruelingly have understood sociopaths. Negative repercussions largely seem to hinge on guilt and remorse. If one feels none it would appear as though the negative repercussions are pushed into a future life. That's what is so darned frustrating in these times. No apparant justice whatsoever.

I do truly feel as though Fitz is a total ace. Watching him on the tube last October was totally refreshing and reminded me of earlier times when I didn't have to put on my BS deflector when watching it.

"Capitalism on steroids" indeed. As I said earlier we pretend to worship God when in reality we worship money regardless of the means through which it is acquired and routinely reward selfishness and greed. There is a far better model I swear.

Okay now I'm sounding like a broken record.

I normally don't stay up this late.

When Reagan was being lauded as a God upon his demise two years ago I was nauseated. Not only did he deregulate everything but he also trashed all the incentives for the developement of alternate energy that we've since ceded that to the Skandahooligans. Okay now I'm really getting silly.

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Regarding the grammar, I think the Brits have a saying, "it is the thin edge of the wedge", meaning that when the small basics of life start to slip, can the big basics be far behind? Certainly true of journalism these days.

Yes I think you are also right that public discourse has reached an ugly and unproductive point. It is all like Kabuki theater on any issue. Bring up a topic and you can predict the ritualized ugly dance that will follow.

The Bush Cabal deliberately divided this country for financial gain. The civil war is already here on a psycho-social level.

And yes sociopaths feel no quilt and remorse. It is most likely none of them have any discomfort whatsoever for the evil they have done; they see nothing wrong with it at all. Like a child who wants a cookie, nothing else matters. The only time the sociopath gets upset is when his plans are thwarted or when they get caught.

I do believe that eventually we will all evolve, I just do not know when. When I get impatient I try to take the long view. Modern man has been on the planet about 50,000 years. So it has taken us this long to get to the point we are now. It appears that soul evolution moves slowly!

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29. Thanks for the information. I appreciate all the responses.