Warning: This will likely get ugly very soon

[Pale Blue Dot]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3612498

I think what this radio host did was indefensible, but you know that the woos will be coming out in force to show this as part of the Big Pharma conspiracy.

[TZ]

1. Most likely.

I'm not going to get involved though. I'll just get accused of being a shill. As a told someone else who threw the Big Pharma stuff at me here, I'm not god and I can't stop the bad guys in my industry who give all of us hard working and upright folks a bad name.
FWIW...yesterday I went to a meeting that talked about how my company is going to be putting in the most stringent rules on handling human biological products (in terms of hipaa requirements and other ethical standards) on the market today. So some companies are TRYING to do the right thing. But you'll never hear about that here.

[conscious evolution]

2. You know how it is

One "oh shit" wipes out a hundred "atta boys".

[semillama]

3. I also like how some DUers characterize NPR as far right of center

in terms of ideology. Maybe in a world without FOX news, but NPR? come on.

[Warpy]

4. Yeah, they're already out on another thread

I've done my two post limit.

They can continue squawking without me.

[CanSocDem]

5. Who's surprised?

After all, this comes from a culture that calls a 'Big Mac' a "happy meal"....

Too bad you weren't born with a Built-In bullshit protector.


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[Orrex]

6. My Built-In bullshit protector goes just about off every time I see you reply to a thread in here

I'd say that it's working just fine, thanks.

[cosmik debris]

7. But it is predictable

Every weekend, like Saturday morning cartoons for grown ups! :)

[TZ]

8. .

R_A put it perfectly the other day.."can't stop"......Too bad I think he's on holiday..I love the polite (or not so polite) smack downs.....:D

[CanSocDem]

9. I'm not surprised...

...that is so easy to fool an audience that believes more in the power of others than it does in its' own power.

Of course, if that audience uses only celebrity as the standard for authority, it all makes sense.

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[NoodleBoy]

10. Wait, this is your reality-- can't you just wish the evils of celebrity out of existence?

[CanSocDem]

12. Yes, Grasshopper....you can.

"Evil" is where YOU see it, meaning that it comes from YOU. Choose not to focus on "evil" and it disappears from YOUR "existence".

Anyway, you characterized 'celebrity' as evil, not me. I don't consider celebrities to be an authority on anything but their own personal lives, so their opinions about MY health or well-being are naturally ignored.

You don't have to look beyond here for the cult of celebrity that fuels life in the USA.


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[TZ]

13. I hate to say this but for ONCE you are right.

This culture *IS* celebrity driven and that leads to people beleiving LAWYERS (with a famous father) and a former playgirl and a comedian know more than any scientist or researcher. Or that an article in a pop culture magazine is more accurate than peer reviewed scientific journals.

[NoodleBoy]

14. But, obviously, the only perspective that matters is the one from CanSocDem

I mean, it's SO obvious,

since you're so important YOU have to come into this forum and tell us all how wrong we are and right YOU are despite all of us thinking YOU'RE an annoyance.



And I only ever mentioned the "evils" of "celebrity," I 'naturally' never said all celebrity is "evil."



And you're also the one who said, before, that you FIRMLY believe we all create our own reality. So, in your reality-- which you firmly create-- why don't you just create it so that people don't believe someone just because they have some celebrity?





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[CanSocDem]

15. Take a valium.....

"...why don't you just create it so that people don't believe someone just because they have some celebrity?


:applause:

Duh...??!!

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[NoodleBoy]

16. But it's your reality-- why haven't you done so already?

[onager]

11. A Big Mac is nothing like a Happy Meal.

IOW, you don't know what you're talking about. What a surprise.

Product description--The Big Mac is the hamburger consisting of two 1.6 oz (45.4 g) beef patties, iceberg lettuce, American cheese, pickles, onion and special "Mac" sauce (a Thousand Island dressing variant) served on a three part sesame seed bun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac

Product Description--In the United States the Happy meal includes:

--a side order consisting of small order of fries or pre-cut apples.
--a child size soft drink, milk, chocolate milk or apple juice.
--a hamburger, cheeseburger, grilled cheese sandwich, or four or six-piece order of Chicken McNuggets.

In some locations such as in Australia, the choices have been expanded to include items such as a grilled cheese sandwich (known as a "Fry Kid"), or more "healthy" options such as apple slices, salads or pasta, as one or more of the options.

In the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, and other countries, McDonald's has recently introduced a "healthy option" to the Happy Meal - children have always been able to choose milk with their Happy Meal and the chain added fruit juice drink instead of a soft drink, and bags of dried fruit (or a whole piece of fruit such as an apple, or carrot sticks) in place of fries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Meal

[Orrex]

17. Maybe he's referring to a 'Mighty Kids Meal' instead?

But even then he's off base. The Mighty Kids Meal can indeed include a double cheeseburger, but this features two 1.6 oz patties, two slices of American cheese, two pickles, ketchup, mustard, and reconstituted onions, all on a seedless bun.

The Big Mac, of coure, is composed two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.


I guess I'm with you on this, onager; I don't know what he's talking about, but then again he doesn't seem to, either.

[CanSocDem]

18. Yeh...

"...I don't know what he's talking about, but then again he doesn't seem to, either."


That's funny. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then it must be gibberish. You give yourself way too much credit.

For the metaphorically-challenged, I give you this:

A corporation that promotes patently unhealthy eating habits by calling its' product a "happy meal" is no more guilty of preying on human weakness, than the pharma-corps who peddle "mood stabilizers", so what is all the fuss about???

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[TZ]

19. ah yes of course

There is no such thing as a mental disorder is there? I hope to hell you never run into a schizophrenic who isn't on their meds...Oh and if you don't think mood stabilizers are important why don't you say that to the face of someone who has had someone commit suicide "Hey at least they never got preyed on by big pharma! Who wants to have their life saved by a pill---"

[CanSocDem]

20. Thanks for illustrating the "celebrity" angle...

Neither you nor your friends, can impress me with your claims to fame. Proximity isn't the same as being there.


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[TZ]

21. thats got to be the most nonsensical reply

I've ever had to a post. Who the hell is claiming to be celebrities here?

[moggie]

33. In HIS reality, you obviously said something completely different

That's the only way I can make sense of it.

While I'm decorating, I've been moving books out of the way, so of course I can't resist dusting a few off and reading them. Yesterday I read an old Alfred Bester short story about a man who conducts a short-lived and doomed telephone romance with a woman who turns out to be living in an alternate timeline: somehow the wires got crossed, allowing communication between the different worlds. Perhaps that's what's going on with our crank friend?

[Orrex]

22. Well, I have a massive johnson. Does that count for anything?

[Heddi]

23. snarf

thanks for making me choke on my sweet tea :-/

[Orrex]

24. Always glad to oblige, and always happy to discuss my massive johnson

You can see it easily on Google Maps, by the way.

[TZ]

25. Lol!

Now I know why you want DU to be a pants optional zone, show off!:spray:

[Orrex]

26. All I want is to share

Is that so wrong?

[LeftishBrit]

32. Sounds like a good username..

when they have the username amnesty, you could change yours to Orrex's Massive Johnson. Biggest rival to the Clenis!

[Odin2005]

27. LOL, the mentally ill troll talks about BS detectors...

:rofl:

[lizerdbits]

28. I can't see the replies but I know who it is

I informed a coworker with epilepsy that I read on the inter-tubes that if she just created her own reality and had lots of positive thoughts she wouldn't need to take all those meds and wear sunglasses (often triggered by sunlight). Clearly she enjoys suffering and supporting evil big pharma because she just glared at me.

[mr blur]

29. Yep the Ignore feature is your friend. (nt)

[realisticphish]

30. my, yes

makes it ever so much more pleasant ;)

[LeftishBrit]

31. Agree - I only have one person on mine; but it really makes a difference!

[onager]

34. But none of the CYOR crowd will take this simple test...

CYOR = Create Your Own Reality

I'll believe their claims when I see them tested, and a test would be very simple.

Anyone believing that should just go to the top of a very tall building and jump. They should have plenty of time to re-arrange their reality before they hit the ground.

Definitely a win-win situation. If they escape unharmed, they have completely rewritten the laws of science and physics as we know them. And if they don't...well, it's still a win.

[FM Arouet666]

35. I will try to get back to this, but I am beginning to believe in a big pharma conspiracy.

My wife is a psychiatrist and we have had many discussions about this topic. The guy in this article is an internationally renowned psychiatrist on big pharmas payroll. And if you look at how the field of psychiatry is so dominated by the medical model, i.e. all mental illness can be treated with a pill, then you might suspect a conspiracy. A conspiracy to make loads of money. The DSM is written by docs who are on big pharmas payroll and the next volume seems make diagnosis easier and treatment with meds the standard.

As an example, you work in a shit job, you hate your life, you feel depressed. As an escape you drink too much, you get in arguments with your wife. What do you need? Current psych, certainly as practiced in any HMO, would prescribe meds and very infrequent if at all therapy. Make sense?

How about little kids getting treated with multiple meds, some of which have life long consequences, for ADHD or bipolar disorder. Anti-psychotics for kids?! Perhaps in some cases, but when you have drug reps in your office giving you lunch or taking you out to dinner, how do you think the average doc will respond? Throw in a few paid lectures, for you and your spouse to a sunny 5 star hotel all expenses paid to talk on behalf of this drug or that. Conflict of interest? Drug whore maybe?

I agree the woo woos will fly with this, but there is a real problem in medicine with big pharma and psychiatry is probably the foremost battleground.

[salvorhardin]

36. The serotonin model of depression seems increasingly untenable

As I understand it, the serotonin model of depression is slowly but surely being supplanted by a more nuanced information processing model. Which makes sense to me. Serotonin is such a broad ranging messenger in the brain that it seems overly simplistic that low levels of serotonin should be the singular cause of clinical depression. Instead, lowered serotonin levels in the brain might be a symptom of poor information processing strategies. Furthermore, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy seems to do pretty well in treating depression in conjunction with SRIs over treatment with just SRIs alone. Since CBT seeks to help the patient identify and change patterns of thought that lead to depression (and other psychiatric illnesses) that would also seem to indicate that depression is an outcome of poor information processing strategies and increasing serotonin levels with SRIs aids the patient in forming new strategies (perhaps by facilitating synaptic plasticity).

Anyway, you know I'm just a layperson with an interest, and some long ago training in the field, so please correct me if my impressions are wrong.

[Pale Blue Dot]

37. Hey everyone, I didn't think THIS thread would get ugly!

:rofl:

[cosmik debris]

38. Anything posted on Friday night

Will get dumped on Saturday morning.

Our Canadian friend gets a day-pass from the "institution" on Saturday.

:)